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How long until we can contend? 

Post#1 » by Lamak » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:14 am

Not contend for a playoff spot, but for a title. Sure, the Heat do look like paper champs for the next x amount of years, but any team can be beaten with a good core, bench, and coaching. Prokorov wants our title to come in the next 5 years. but what do you guys think?

I think we can in 3 years, because Lopez will be in his prime and we should have built a good team around or him or have gathered a 2nd star.
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Post#2 » by Dexmor » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:36 am

We could go to Eastern finals this year and championship next year with 3 moves that both teams would agree on.

First deal Iggy for Lee Kris and alot of money exception
Deal 2 Williams for Landry or Thompson and if needed we sweeten it with protected picks
Deal 3 we take Sessions contract on for Ross's expiring, they want to give up on Sessions.

In Favors 2nd year when he's a star this team could win a chip.

Since our FO is a joke we probably won't contend unless we get a top 3 lotto pick twice.
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Post#4 » by jeff1624 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:46 am

Dexmor wrote:We could go to Eastern finals this year and championship next year with 3 moves that both teams would agree on.

First deal Iggy for Lee Kris and alot of money exception
Deal 2 Williams for Landry or Thompson and if needed we sweeten it with protected picks
Deal 3 we take Sessions contract on for Ross's expiring, they want to give up on Sessions.

In Favors 2nd year when he's a star this team could win a chip.

Since our FO is a joke we probably won't contend unless we get a top 3 lotto pick twice.



First off.. No to Igoudala. He's a good player but not what this team needs.. For a team with no true 1st option, the last thing we need is another decent 2nd option forced to be THE man on offense.

Second, I doubt Sacramento deals thompson or Landry For Terrence Williams. They already have a ball dominating guard in tyreke Evans. Williams' talent doesn't mesh well with and Evans'.

Third.. Why would we need sessions? And why exactly would he be a big part of us becoming a legit contender.
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Post#5 » by r3drumNYNJ » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:59 am

Lamak wrote:Not contend for a playoff spot, but for a title. Sure, the Heat do look like paper champs for the next x amount of years, but any team can be beaten with a good core, bench, and coaching. Prokorov wants our title to come in the next 5 years. but what do you guys think?

I think we can in 3 years, because Lopez will be in his prime and we should have built a good team around or him or have gathered a 2nd star.


3 years sounds about right. First we have to try and get to the playoffs which I think we can do this year with this roster if guys stay healthy and focus. I think Avery will have these guys ready to play and guys like Farmar and Petro been on good playoff teams so that will help out as well. If we make the playoffs, I think a big named FA may wanna come on board next year and that would probably put us over the top. A trade they should make is Lee and Humphries for Bass and a 2nd rounder. That would give us a good backup PF for Favors and it will clear up space for TWill and Morrow to play SG. but either way, I think this team will be an elite team if they stay and grow together..I think Outlaw can be an all star if healthy
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Post#6 » by Dexmor » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:53 am

You would seriously think Iggy would be the first option? Ever heard of the 7 footer Brook who got 19 and 9 in his 2nd year? I think he is the 2nd option. I also think Harris gets Iggy easy buckets in a fast break offense and when Favors comes along he would take over so they would have 4 big time scorers.
Evans isn't the purest pg so I don't think they mind playing Williams at the 3 and letting him sometimes carry up the ball.

We take Sessions because he is way better then Farmar and if they have to trade Harris to make a deal work Sessions as a starter gets you 17 and 8 and he can also play the 1-2
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Post#7 » by jeff1624 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:29 am

Dexmor wrote:You would seriously think Iggy would be the first option? Ever heard of the 7 footer Brook who got 19 and 9 in his 2nd year? I think he is the 2nd option. I also think Harris gets Iggy easy buckets in a fast break offense and when Favors comes along he would take over so they would have 4 big time scorers.
Evans isn't the purest pg so I don't think they mind playing Williams at the 3 and letting him sometimes carry up the ball.

We take Sessions because he is way better then Farmar and if they have to trade Harris to make a deal work Sessions as a starter gets you 17 and 8 and he can also play the 1-2



You honestly believe that Brook lopez could lead a team to a championship as the first option??? HA!. I love Lopez and he has the potential to be a top 3 center in this league but he's no where near capable of being a first option on a contender. I think the most we can really expect out of Lopez in the future is that of a Gasol type player.. an awesome 2nd option that can handle the scoring load for a while when either the true go to guy is on the bench/having a miserable game.

As for Evans co-existing with Williams.. he can't. theres a reason why they traded Kevin Martin away. Evans isn't a PG, that obvious.. but he still handles the ball A LOT. Most of his scoring comes from isolation plays where he takes it to the rack. He needs players that can shoot and move without the ball to be effective. Terrence Williams is everything but that.

And did you just say Ramon Sessions is capable of putting up 17 and 8?? Because those are all star numbers and last I saw he was Johnny Flynn's backup in Minnesota AND is being pushed out because his team just signed Luke Ridnour...
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Post#8 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:35 am

Dexmor wrote:We could go to Eastern finals this year and championship next year with 3 moves that both teams would agree on.

First deal Iggy for Lee Kris and alot of money exception
Deal 2 Williams for Landry or Thompson and if needed we sweeten it with protected picks
Deal 3 we take Sessions contract on for Ross's expiring, they want to give up on Sessions.

In Favors 2nd year when he's a star this team could win a chip.

Since our FO is a joke we probably won't contend unless we get a top 3 lotto pick twice.

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Post#9 » by Dexmor » Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:45 am

No Im not joking.

Maybe we can get Sessions for Kris

Then some kind of 3way were we get Jason Thompson Jrue Holiday Iggy and we give up 12 million dollar cap exception Devin Harris-Twill and Courtney Lee


Did you not know if I was kidding because u wouldn;t do the trade or because Philly wouldn't?

If we can pull that off by throwing in picks first and 2nd round wed be the Thunder of East

Brook-Petro
Favors-Thompson
Outlaw-James
Iggy-Morrow
Jrue-Sessions

Sixers wanna get a lower cap. Kings have to many bigs and want shooters.
Get it done KIng.

We would beat the Heat in 2012 or 2013 latest.
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Post#10 » by Dexmor » Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:48 am

Kevin Martin got traded because he was always hurt. He's a pure shooter which goes perfect with a pg but he was hurt and they didn't have Cousins-Whiteside-Dalembert. They needed an inside scorer.
Sessions is so underrated. He would come close to being an allstar if he got the pt.

And of course Brook can be a first option. Gasol is the best big outside of Howard and is a 19 and 9 man. Lopez is a 19 and 9 man only bigger, getting better and is in his second year. He will be the 2nd best C in the league for the next decade.
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Post#11 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:53 am

I feel like I'm in some bizarre alternate universe...
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Post#12 » by jeff1624 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:59 am

Dexmor wrote:Kevin Martin got traded because he was always hurt. He's a pure shooter which goes perfect with a pg but he was hurt and they didn't have Cousins-Whiteside-Dalembert. They needed an inside scorer.
Sessions is so underrated. He would come close to being an allstar if he got the pt.

And of course Brook can be a first option. Gasol is the best big outside of Howard and is a 19 and 9 man. Lopez is a 19 and 9 man only bigger, getting better and is in his second year. He will be the 2nd best C in the league for the next decade.



So Landry and Thompson and expendable because of Dalembert and Whiteside??? Riiiiight.

- Yes Kevin martin is a terrific 3 point shooter.. but how does he get his shot off.. By handling the ball and looking for his own shot.

- Dirk, Duncan, Amare, Gasol, Bosh, Bogut, Yao. ALL better than Lopez.
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Post#13 » by enetric » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:44 am

Dexmor wrote:We could go to Eastern finals this year and championship next year with 3 moves that both teams would agree on.

First deal Iggy for Lee Kris and alot of money exception
Deal 2 Williams for Landry or Thompson and if needed we sweeten it with protected picks
Deal 3 we take Sessions contract on for Ross's expiring, they want to give up on Sessions.

In Favors 2nd year when he's a star this team could win a chip.

Since our FO is a joke we probably won't contend unless we get a top 3 lotto pick twice.



Since Iggy hasnt dragged many of his teams to the playoffs...why does he get us into it let alone conference finals? Sessions is no better than Farmar at this stage...get off his tp for a month worth of fantasy hoops to end the year two seasons ago. Landry or Thompson are decent big men. Nothing special. But...both of them plus Tyreke were one of the worst teams in the NBAS last season as well.

You are dillusional to think this teams was anything special.
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Post#14 » by enetric » Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:49 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:I feel like I'm in some bizarre alternate universe...



For the first couple of weeks...I thought...OK...just an enthusiastic poster who doesnt really understand much about the game, the league, the cap, its players...well.....pretty much anything.

And I figured...OK....he isnt trolling...just excited and not making any sense...give him some time to get his feet wet and he will start to learn some things from reading the threads.

And now? I just feel like we are being held hostage with constant inane posts and childish threads.

Honestly...back in the day...I would have handled this differently...but now...its time for others to deal with it.

But, I am tired of it....getting REALLY tired of it. Something has to give here....
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Post#15 » by jerseyjac » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:04 pm

enetric wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I feel like I'm in some bizarre alternate universe...



For the first couple of weeks...I thought...OK...just an enthusiastic poster who doesnt really understand much about the game, the league, the cap, its players...well.....pretty much anything.

And I figured...OK....he isnt trolling...just excited and not making any sense...give him some time to get his feet wet and he will start to learn some things from reading the threads.

And now? I just feel like we are being held hostage with constant inane posts and childish threads.

Honestly...back in the day...I would have handled this differently...but now...its time for others to deal with it.

But, I am tired of it....getting REALLY tired of it. Something has to give here....

the situation has been adressed, directly...stay on the path, E...no worries man...

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Post#16 » by mack69 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:22 pm

You are funny E!!!!!!!!!
The "Turnpike" deserve a NBA championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#17 » by mack69 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:40 pm

Truthfully, all this work to get under the cap and what was accomplish?

At best we can hope to be the Hawks! In which I said two years ago!!!!!!

Now all the power players are making moves and we are not even in the discussion. This sucks!

The Knicks has been terrible but they have a chance to be a player with one possible trade.
The "Turnpike" deserve a NBA championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#18 » by enetric » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:34 pm

mack69 wrote:Truthfully, all this work to get under the cap and what was accomplish?

At best we can hope to be the Hawks! In which I said two years ago!!!!!!

Now all the power players are making moves and we are not even in the discussion. This sucks!

The Knicks has been terrible but they have a chance to be a player with one possible trade.



Hey Mack....


I really dont feel the Knicks are in a better position than we are for trades at this time. HAving only 2 mil in cap space, no 1st round picks available for trade until 2014....they have 2 quality prospects they can trade and a couple of other OK ones. Since most of the guys who can currently be traded on their roster earn low cash.....and they are so close to the cap....they have to string together deals where then send out 4-6 guys to make anything big happen. Most teams at this point do not have that many open roster spots....and there are plenty of teams out there with better trade assets, who have cap space, and draft picks. I wouldnt sweat anything like these Paul posts putting their team name in an article just yet. Not saying they have no shot...just saying that this is why I have been preaching Brooklyn ofr so long. When you are a big market team...somehow every iditiot with a pen and a microphone knows....add your team name it creates buzz with your larger are more involved fan base. Good for THE MEDIA business.

Knicks are in better shape trade wise than they were when the season ended....and will be in better shape from Decemeber 15h through the trade deadline than they are now. But for now?

The Hornets and everyone else out there...will certainly feel no reason to help the knicks unless its the best deal for them. They will talk to 29 teams if that is how many call them....and decide if there is a deal worth making.

We are among the teams with the BEST situation for trades. That was the BLUEPRINT of plan B. Once we couldnt get the stars in free agency...instead of settling for an Amare or Boozer, we decided to stockpile more tradeable assets (young players on good contracts, rook contracts, or draft picks) and get ready for whatever opportunities come up.

I urge Nets fans...do not over think KNicks ass sucking by the media. They will get their shot....we will have ours. If management feels there is a deal they want to go all in on...I do believe we are in one of the best situations trade wise in the league.
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Post#19 » by enetric » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:38 pm

jerseyjac wrote:
enetric wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I feel like I'm in some bizarre alternate universe...



For the first couple of weeks...I thought...OK...just an enthusiastic poster who doesnt really understand much about the game, the league, the cap, its players...well.....pretty much anything.

And I figured...OK....he isnt trolling...just excited and not making any sense...give him some time to get his feet wet and he will start to learn some things from reading the threads.

And now? I just feel like we are being held hostage with constant inane posts and childish threads.

Honestly...back in the day...I would have handled this differently...but now...its time for others to deal with it.

But, I am tired of it....getting REALLY tired of it. Something has to give here....

the situation has been adressed, directly...stay on the path, E...no worries man...

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.


Did you just bring out the bible on me? Or was it gansta rap?
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Post#20 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:49 pm

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