Prove to me Derrick Rose is Good.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo

are all clearly better right now

then he's in a tier with the likes of stephen curry tony parker russell westbrook and chauncey billups i got no problems with you putting him 1st in that tier(im not as the others all have better pg skills than rose) if you're a big fan of him but to say he's clearly top 3 is just sad

Oh god, that is rich.

Rose is better than Nash and Rondo. Take a look at their head to head matchups, and read the recaps of what Nash has said about Rose himself. Not going to argue the Rondo thing. Its been drummed to death already. Rondo's not clearly better than Rose in any facet except distributing to HOFers.

Funny thing is that all of those players bolded have all-star weapons, except for Curry, who along with Ellis put up empty stats on a bad team playing a bunch of d-leaguers for much of the season.

[DanielBoone]

If you honestly think Derrick Rose is better than Steve Nash then I'm out of this topic because you're too delusional to debate with. Later...smh

[bullsnewdynasty]

Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo

are all clearly better right now

then he's in a tier with the likes of stephen curry tony parker russell westbrook and chauncey billups i got no problems with you putting him 1st in that tier(im not as the others all have better pg skills than rose) if you're a big fan of him but to say he's clearly top 3 is just sad

Oh god, that is rich.

Rose is better than Nash and Rondo. Take a look at their head to head matchups, and read the recaps of what Nash has said about Rose himself. Not going to argue the Rondo thing. Its been drummed to death already. Rondo's not clearly better than Rose in any facet except distributing to HOFers.

Once again, no arguments? That's what I thought.

[alucryts]

arguing pg rankings is dumb right now, jut wait till next year when rose has had a chance to show his "pg skills" with boozer and korver. after next year itll be obvious what he will become, barring a big injury

[Jvaughn]

I didn't say anything about Monta Ellis. My list of top 5 PGs: Deron, Paul, Nash, Rondo, Billups

Read the edit. And you missed part of my question as well. BTW your list is wrong.........JMO though.

The team I root for is Charlotte. Go ahead and try your best, I'm not over here spouting Gerald Wallace is a top 3 SF or Tyrus Thomas is future Amare.

That's good because they're not. I will argue that Wallace is in that top 5-7 SF range though. He's very good, but would be so much better if he'd get a shooting coach. And we had TT so there's no need to talk about it. Difference is that those are clearly not arguments. Rose, who I will repeat: all the analysts have said is just about in the discussion with D-Wil and CP3, is a valid argument. He's not better than them, and may never be, but to try to disregard him as a bad player, or a borderline top 10 PG is laughable. BTW DJ Augustine can't go left.

[juice4080]

Once again, no arguments? That's what I thought.

Why bother? i won't waste my time with someone claiming derrick rose is better than steve nash...ever!

[mysticbb]

Removed.

[Jvaughn]

If you honestly think Derrick Rose is better than Steve Nash then I'm out of this topic because you're too delusional to debate with. Later...smh

That's all it took? Okay good talking to ya.

[ErichZ35]

Hey I thought we hit the RealGm quota of Derrick Rose versus the world threads??

[cool007]

So, in your opinon... Rose = Rondo on defense?

Honestly?

I dont care how overrated Rondo is on defense. Hes still MUCH MUCH better than Rose is. Rose is flat out bad on defense man. You disagree on that too?

No, Rondo is better for now but don't act like Rondo is a MUCH MUCH better defender either. MUCH MUCH better would mean he is shutting down all the point guards he is facing and that is farthest from the truth.

Stats back it up too.

Here are the Point guards (briefly looked at it on NBA.com). and their highs past year vs Rondo and vs Rose.

Andre Miller: vs Rondo (28 points 8 rebounds 8 assists), vs Rose (14 points 3 rebounds 7 assists)
C. Billups: vs Rondo (26/7), vs Rose (21/5)
Rose vs Rondo (39/5/7), Rondo vs Rose (16/14)
CP3: vs Rondo (22/8), vs Rose (15/7)
Aaron Brooks: vs Rondo (30/9), vs Rose (20/2)
Baron Davis: vs Rondo (24/13), vs Rose (22/6)
Johny Flynn: vs Rondo (21 points), vs Rose (14 points)
Devin Harris: vs Rondo (23 points), vs Rose (19 points)
Jameer Nelson: vs Rondo (15/4), vs Rose (11/6)


There may be more but I don't have time for it. The above sample is good enough.

So whatever the perception usually people have about someone, is usually NOT the reality.

I won't say Rose's defense is great, but he is not a liability and you rarely see some other PG torching him. While as the above stats show that a lot of the PGs HAVE torched Rondo - but is called a MUCH MUCH better defensive PG.

[Jvaughn]

Once again, no arguments? That's what I thought.

Why bother? i won't waste my time with someone claiming derrick rose is better than steve nash...ever!

Why not? We wasted our time arguing with a guy who called Rose, Monta Ellis 2.0.

[llllllllllllll]

Watch.Him.Play.

[cool007]

Watch.Him.Play.

There is your answer.

[juice4080]

Once again, no arguments? That's what I thought.

Why bother? i won't waste my time with someone claiming derrick rose is better than steve nash...ever!

Why not? We wasted our time arguing with a guy who called Rose, Monta Ellis 2.0.

He's much closer to monta ellis than to steve nash....i said it in due time when the "young" factor subside he will be exposed

[Jvaughn]

Why bother? i won't waste my time with someone claiming derrick rose is better than steve nash...ever!

Why not? We wasted our time arguing with a guy who called Rose, Monta Ellis 2.0.

He's much closer to monta ellis than to steve nash....i said it in due time when the "young" factor subside he will be exposed

Sure he is. No need to answer any of our questions any more if you don't have valid answers. You can leave now.

[YounG_A]

Please provide one quote of anyone saying any of the above. Cliff Levingston will wait, a long, long time for you.

please show me quotes

sure no problem:

We could probably lock this - not because of trolling or negativity - but because there's nothing more to say. DRose WILL be the best point guard in the NBA by 2012.

really?
CP3 and DWill will still be young and better than him.

He's quickly on his way to becoming the most dominant PG since Isiah. If he continues to improve, he could go down as the most dominant PG of all time.

He'll surpass both CP3 and Dwill this year. Yeah I said it.

most dominate PG of all time??

Rose 2010-2011 MVP!!!

Rose for MVP

I'm saying it now: Rose will possibly win the MVP this year...

IF true , hes a top 5 player in the NBA ...

I'm not high but a DRose with a 3pt shot is on the same level as Dwyane Wade...

Wade >>>> Rose


I get for a fan to overrate their players, but come on..

[RaisingArizona]

Watch.Him.Play.

[Jvaughn]

Please provide one quote of anyone saying any of the above. Cliff Levingston will wait, a long, long time for you.

please show me quotes

sure no problem:

We could probably lock this - not because of trolling or negativity - but because there's nothing more to say. DRose WILL be the best point guard in the NBA by 2012.

really?
CP3 and DWill will still be young and better than him.

He's quickly on his way to becoming the most dominant PG since Isiah. If he continues to improve, he could go down as the most dominant PG of all time.

He'll surpass both CP3 and Dwill this year. Yeah I said it.

most dominate PG of all time??

Rose 2010-2011 MVP!!!

Rose for MVP

I'm saying it now: Rose will possibly win the MVP this year...

IF true , hes a top 5 player in the NBA ...

I'm not high but a DRose with a 3pt shot is on the same level as Dwyane Wade...

Wade >>>> Rose


I get for a fan to overrate their players, but come on..

Dude I remember most of those. The majority of them that said MVP were during a game when fans were being sarcastic. Kind of like when we say trade Rose, because we have JJ. Its just reaction to a shot Rose probably made.

As for the other ones: Rose is on a climb that resembles the statistical production of CP3, D-Wil, Wade and Brandon Roy's. The difference being with the exception of Wade, all of those players could already shoot the 3 ball. Rose is doing the same thing without the 3 ball. I.E Rose with a 3pt shot is on the same level as Wade. Not now, but when Rose is at the same point in his career as Wade it is not that farfetched.

Rose being the most dominant PG since Isiah, I dont see the problem. Scoring wise can you name me a PG that has scored with the ease of Rose since Zeke? I can't. Rose is in his 2nd year, and is almost unguardable. That's what he's talking about.

[jinxed]

And as i've said before I don't believe Rondo is better than Rose. There was a full segment on NBA on TNT this year where they had that argument. Put CP3, D-Wil, and Rose in the same car, and said Rondo is following that car right now, but he's not there yet. Not the other way around. I don't put Nash there anymore either. JMO, but he's no longer in that conversation, and I do believe this year will cement that fact. Rose is top 3 at best, top 4 at worst. And even if Bron is moved to PG, he's not a PG. It's just a case of not having a better option in Miami.

This is where you lose credibility. The top 3 players in the NBA are 1. Lebron 2. Wade 3. Nash.

If you don't think Steve Nash is a top 4 pg right now, I just don't know what to tell you. That's outrageous. Here are some thought experiments for you...

Switch Rose to the Suns last year. Are they a crazy Ron Artest put back away from the NBA finals and likely champions? (they swept Boston in the regular season)

What's a better lineup 2-5.

J Richardson
Grant Hill
Channing Frye
Amar'e Stoudemire

or

Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Kendrick Perkins

Add Steve Nash to the celtics to have

Nash
Allen
Pierce
Garnett
Perkins

HOW GOOD IS THAT TEAM?

The phoenix Suns had the best offense in the NBA the last year (as by points per 100 possessions)

In fact, I think there is some crazy stat like the 5 greatest offensive teams in NBA history have all been led by Steve Nash. He is also according to Hollinger the greatest shooter in NBA history, and by his estimation "by a mile."

He is easily the greatest offensive player currently in the league, and quite possible of all time. defensively, we know . he is sub par.

Yet you wouldn't find this just based on tradition box score stats. You have to understand how well his team plays when he is on the floor and how he makes other players better.

Does Derrick Rose have this ability?

Can he make the players around him better?

[jax98]

Can he make the players around him better?

Give him some offensive players to play next to, and you'll see. With Boozer, Korver and Watson in town, things should look up in that department.