coolnerd88 wrote:I appreciate the explanation. I can argue with numbers but I'm not a numbers guy and generally stick to the basicsRipp wrote:coolnerd88:
TS% is pretty much the right way to look at things.
Suppose I have two players, both who shoot identically from 2 point land, threes, and FTs. Say 50% from two, 40% from 3, 90% from the line. How do I measure who is the better scorer? Well, Guy A gets 1/2 of his shots from two, 1/4 from 3, and 1/4 from the line. Guy B gets 1/6 from two, 1/2 from 3, and 1/3 from the line.
Pretty clear that if they are getting the same number of touches, I'd much rather have the latter guy touching the ball than the former, despite their identical shooting percentages.
Basically, Kobe gets to the FT line a lot, which makes up for his sometimes unimpressive FG% and 3 point %....The advanced stuff, in general looks like too much work. Anyways after looking it up...Iverson's TS is 51%...while Kobe's is 55% so even taking everything into account, it is basically like the fg percentage argument where Kobe's is 45% and Iverson's is 42%. Either way..It still supports the "their both volume shooters but Kobe's better at it argument". Now I am not arguing that Iverson is a better player then Kobe but I will highlight the chucking and volume shooting that they both do.
Wade's TS is 56% but that because he's such a average 3 point shooter, so that brings down his efficiency rating. I don't believe for a second that Kobe is as efficient as Wade..when Wade has never shot less the 46% in a season(and he's only shot 46% twice: his rookie yr and his injury 15 win season) and Kobe has never shot more then 46% in a season...that sounds like manipulation to me because Wade doesn't even take that many 3's but when he does he misses which brings his TS down, if I have it down correctly. Lebron James TS is also 56% but Kobe isn't as efficient as him either, especially when Bron has YET to shoot less than 47% in a season sense his first two seasons in the league. So while TS is a good indication, apparently it still doesn't help Kobe and is alittle flawed, unless I'm missing something, If I am let me know
Someone mention that Kobe isn't a chucker but just has bad shot selection, well I couldv'e sworn that is the very definition of chucking. The problem with Kobe is, the shots that he chucks..he can get EXTREMELY, DANGEROUSLY hot and make all of them, therefore leading others to neglect the fact that it was a bad shot in the first place. It's too many dynamics when it comes to Kobe thats why nobody can come to one conclusion about him. He's a alltime great though but thats about where I agree at. His ranking, sorry he isn't top 10 in my book.
Hmmm. First, I'd really take the effort to understand some of those "advanced" statistics. They probably do a better job capturing/representing what you're thinking about in the first place.
Re: Chucking. I'd never heard that term pre-realgm. My understanding is that it intuitively fits for players who shoot way too much who aren't really good offensive players (at least, the way they're playing). That's not Kobe Bryant. At all. My issues with his shot selection are the difference between him being the best offensive player in the league and the 4th best offensive player. They hurt offensive efficiency and at times have worked against team dynamic.
That's quite different than someone shooting 20-22 shots a game when they should shoot half that amount. In particular, Bryant of the last few years has improved his shot selection, moved closer to the basket and played with a better balance. He's never been a "chucker" and he's never been "inefficient." And a 4% different isn't trivial.
