Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[LyricalRico]

Wizards trade: Arenas
Wizards receive: Curry, Chandler, Conley, and rights to Henry

Grizzlies trade: Conley, Thabeet, Carroll, and rights to Henry
Grizzlies receive: Billups and NY future first

Knicks trade: Curry, Gallo, Chandler, and future first
Knicks receive: Melo

Nuggets trade: Melo and Billups
Nuggets receive: Arenas, Carroll, Thabeet, and Gallo

TRADE ID 5673766

Seems like Memphis should get a bit more (maybe multiple picks from NY), but other than that I think it's pretty interesting. We essentially trade Gil for expirings and a lottery pick. I'm sure a lot of us would have taken that deal on draft night.

[willbcocks]

This is a brilliant move for us and the knicks but is terrible for the other teams involved. We are flat out robbing the other teams. #12 pick, Chandler (who probably has the value of a #20 pick), and Conley (who at the very least has positive value) AND we dump one of the worst contracts in the league. Wow...I'd slit my wrists to provide the ink for that deal.

[Induveca]

Wizards trade: Arenas
Wizards receive: Curry, Chandler, Conley, and rights to Henry

Grizzlies trade: Conley, Thabeet, Carroll, and rights to Henry
Grizzlies receive: Billups and NY future first

Knicks trade: Curry, Gallo, Chandler, and future first
Knicks receive: Melo

Nuggets trade: Melo and Billups
Nuggets receive: Arenas, Carroll, Thabeet, and Gallo

TRADE ID 5673766

Seems like Memphis should get a bit more (maybe multiple picks from NY), but other than that I think it's pretty interesting. We essentially trade Gil for expirings and a lottery pick. I'm sure a lot of us would have taken that deal on draft night.

Won't happen, Anthony and most recently his wife (today in New York) have made it pretty clear they want to be in NY. She stated that both she and her husband want to be in New York closer to family.

The Knicks know this at this point, and I expect the Nuggets to cave eventually. At this point the Knicks don't have to offer more than Curry/Chandler/1st. Gallinari AND Chandler won't be included, the Knicks are Anthony's only preferred destination.

For those of you not familiar, his wife, Lala Vasquez is a Brooklyn native and former MTV VJ. By all reports she is miserable in the smalltown/"all driving" environment in Denver. She apparently is ridiculously homesick, and Anthony is also a Brooklyn native (he moved to Baltimore at age 8). Much of Carmelo's family is still in Brooklyn.

This NY push is very real, and it's going to happen. The Wizards, nor pretty much any team have a chance of getting in on this deal as NY is only to give the bare minimum necessary to get him. After the LeBron drama, as soon as someone gets on board as GM in Denver I suspect they will wish to avoid the Cleveland vibe and get some solid value in Curry's expiring and either Chandler or Gallinari. If they don't the offer will only go down from NY's end as the season progresses. Worst case scenario is any little injury that NBA players get over the season will be treated as near fatal from Anthony's camp to protect the guy so he can sign elsewhere in the offseason.

[Induveca]

Also Heisley stated publicly on the 19th he won't trade Henry under any circumstance, that he will play for the Grizz this year.

At the end of the day, Heisley won't go down as a fool who refused to pay 400k extra spread over 3 years and trade for excess salary. He's trying to save money here, not take on more.

This will blow over soon enough. This is obviously some type of fallout from the agent/owner in a meeting. Sounds like incompatible personalities, Heisley likely floated this out there.....Tellum balked extremely loudly and/or walked out and now there is a grudge match between two extremely rich men with large egos.

Henry is just in the middle of a stare down between his agent/future boss. This will get done soon enough.

[willbcocks]

Regardless of how bad Melo wants to go to NY, no way the Knicks get Melo for 1st, Curry, and Chandler because:

A) That package actually has negative value because Denver would have to eat a 10 mil contract (and they're over the tax). They'd be better off getting a season's play out of Melo and then letting him walk, but even then NY is going to have to cough a bigger asset because:

B) Melo is going to want to get paid, which will require a S&T. NY is going to have to give up Galo at a minimum for Denver to cooperate.

Not that it really matters for NY though, because where would Galo play if they had Melo?

[hands11]

What problems would Melo to DC even solve? Scoring is not going to be our issue, and he's not a dominant two-way big. It would create a lot of hype and expectations and sell a ton of jerseys, but it would be a mis-allocation of resources and may get us no closer to contention.

We go after him because he's a legitimately great player, and we need to add one of those to compete for a championship.

Also, that trade would not increase the payroll.

I question Melo's "legitimate greatness." He not very efficient for a volume scorer and he doesn't stand out on D. As soon as he signs that 3 yr/$65M extension, he's going to be overpaid. It's much wiser to go after FA's in 2012 under the new CBA.

More to the point, as CR alludes to, the only way Denver would consider such a deal is if Gilbert demonstrates that he's basically all the way back to his peak. And if that's the case, the trade is pointless.

Nice to see you'll are hammering this out. These are the issues ahead of us and Melo should be a top target to keep an eye on.

I disagree that the trade would be pointless if Gil plays back to his peak. Gil is not a Kobe like SG/SF. If he was, I would agree with you. But if we move Gil to get him then we need to find a replacement at SG. How to design this team is still way up in the air. Specially with a new CBA agreement in front of us. I would play it safe for now which it looks like we are doing.

Melo still would need to bring his total game together.
07-08 year was pretty hot but last years 3 ball wasn't looking so good.

But for me, first things first. Lets see what we have in Gil, Dray, Howard, etc. You really can't make a good decision on what to do until you know what you have.

[Wizardspride]

What problems would Melo to DC even solve? Scoring is not going to be our issue, and he's not a dominant two-way big.

Good point fisher.

[hands11]

Melo, Shmelo, whatever....

The real story is Xavier Henry. I'm utterly dumbfounded that Memphis is looking to play hardball on the 120% scale issue with Henry. It may not be as bad as what Pollin did with Juwan Howard, but it's even dumber, because of the way the rules are written, and because EVERYONE signs their 1st rounders for the 120% number. It's like they're going out of their way to alienate him...

So if they really do entertain the idea of trading Henry, should the Wiz get involved, and what should they offer? I'd definitely offer a future 1st (probably top 10 or 12 protected next year, sliding scale after that) and something else (Nick Young?). I'd love to see him as the third Guard backing up Arenas, and playing some SF with Arenas & Wall. And if he develops into a true starter at SG, could make dealing Gil down the road a ways a little easier.

There's no way the Grizz are that stupid, though? Right?......Right?

Yes the Grizz are that stupid. Well, their owner Michael Heisley is that stupid since he's the one making all of personnel decisions it seems. A top 12 protected pick for Henry makes a ton of sense. But I don't think anyone wants Nick Young. Do we have any remaining cap room just to take on Henry's rookie deal?

That'd be great if we could swoop in and grab Henry. I think the chances are fairly slim, but would LOVE it if that happened.

And I agree that nobody wants Nick Young. I don't want him either.

So why do we want this 19 year old kid. I'm not feeling it. Watching his interviews just didn't give me any warm fuzzies. Like he said. He is just a kid. Seems we have had enough of that personality type. Time for this team to stay focused on adding mature players.

[sfam]

Yes the Grizz are that stupid. Well, their owner Michael Heisley is that stupid since he's the one making all of personnel decisions it seems. A top 12 protected pick for Henry makes a ton of sense. But I don't think anyone wants Nick Young. Do we have any remaining cap room just to take on Henry's rookie deal?

That'd be great if we could swoop in and grab Henry. I think the chances are fairly slim, but would LOVE it if that happened.

And I agree that nobody wants Nick Young. I don't want him either.

So why do we want this 19 year old kid. I'm not feeling it. Watching his interviews just didn't give me any warm fuzzies. Like he said. He is just a kid. Seems we have had enough of that personality type. Time for this team to stay focused on adding mature players.

Besides the grass being greener on the other side? Seriously, if we could somehow dump Nick Young for a different potential, I'd be lovin it. I just don't see anyone looking at Young as a consolation prize.

[fugop]

If we were to make a deal with Memphis, I'd be more interested in Thabeet than Henry; a package of both would be awesome. Thabeet's raw etc etc, but he's gigantic, a solid athlete, one of the few players who could challenge McGee physically. Having those two grow together is clearly better for both of them.

[LyricalRico]

How about this deal after 12/15:

Wizards trade: Gilbert Arenas
Bobcats trade: Kwame Brown and filler

[Wizardspride]

How about this deal after 12/15:

Wizards trade: Gilbert Arenas
Bobcats trade: Kwame Brown and filler

That's funny.

[Dat2U]

If we were to make a deal with Memphis, I'd be more interested in Thabeet than Henry; a package of both would be awesome. Thabeet's raw etc etc, but he's gigantic, a solid athlete, one of the few players who could challenge McGee physically. Having those two grow together is clearly better for both of them.

Thabeet is a solid athlete but I just don't know if he'll overcome his biggest weakness IMO. The game is just too slow for him. In college he had the ability to just sit back in a zone challenge anyone who came at the rim. He doesn't have that luxury in the NBA. And Thabeet struggles incredibly in space. Force him outside of his comfort zone (i.e. 5 feet away from the basket) and he's totally lost and slow to react to everything.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, the defensive 3 second rule really hurt centers like Thabs. And his lack of instincts sure doesn't help either. In the old days, he'd be a very effective defensive center. Now, I don't expect he's going to be an effective player in the NBA.

[rrini]

This is a deal the Wizards should do if Gilbert Arenas is doing as good as he used to. And Josh Howard is doing better than expected.

Washington in- Gerald Wallace Nazr Mohammed Dominic Mcguire
Washington out- Gilbert Arenas Josh Howard 2014 1st round draft pick

Why for Washington- They get rid of Gilbert Arenas's huge contract and get back a all star small forward and expiring contract

Charlotte in- Gilbert Arenas Josh Howard
Charlotte out- Gerald Wallace Nazr Mohammed Dominic Mcguire

Why for Charlotte- They will get a all star point guard in Gilbert Arenas and his defense will only improve playing with great defenders and being coached by Larry Brown. And Josh Howard would fit great into Charlotte's offensive system and is a good defender.

Resign Javale Mcgee and Andray Blatche to long term deals.

In free Agency sign Marcus Thornton and Joel Pryzbilla and of course the rookies.

Starting Lineup- John Wall/ Kirk Hinrich
Marcus Thornton/ rookie shooting guard
Gerald Wallace/ Trevor Booker
Andray Blatche/ Kevin Seraphin
Javale Mcgee/ Joel Pryzbilla or maybe resign Nazr Mohammed


Thoughts?

[nate33]

My first thought is that we have other threads for this.

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[BigA]

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[rrini]

my fault i didnt know. but what do you guys think?

[dobrojim]

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