Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[Kingsforlife]

i just dont see Dalembert staying with the Kings all the opportunies at starting for many contending teams, thing is Dalembert could leave the Wizards but i mean Wall Arenas Howard Yi Dalembert is pretty beast. i dont know about Hinrich Dalembert swap its great but right now i dont know about it, but if it was the deadline i probably would accept it.


Teams that could use Dalembert as a starter

Atlanta (due to Horford moving to power forward forcing Marvin Williams to the bench)
Miami (fills their only weakness, would be unbeatable)
Milwaukee (wildcard pick, if Bogut can play pf or if Samuel can, other than that their future looks great)
New York (Amare's one of my fav players but hes not a center, and Dalembert if Melo doesnt come to the Knicks would be on their list and his list)
Orlando (if they can even afford the mid level Dalembert or Tyson Chandler should be on top on their list moving Howard to the 4 and making them a real threat again)
Washington (doesnt really have a chance, somewhat appealing for Dalembert)
Dallas (if they think Dalembert is better than Tyson)
Denver (if they can afford it same with Orlandos situation moving Nene to 4 trying to make Melo stay)
OKC (if they want him)
Spurs (if they want him)
Jazz (if they can afford him)


Kings (if he doesnt mind coming off the bench or playing 20 to 25 minutes the rest of his career)

[eitanr]

I posted this on the trade forum, but I see the Wizards needing two major items. A backup big with some meat who can defend the post, rebound, and maybe has a little low post game (though that aspect is not as necessary) and considering the wings in their own division, a wing who can defend (or at least help) the likes of James, Wade, Jackson, Wallace, Carter, Pierce etc and etc.

My idea:

Al Thornton + 2011 2nd Rounder
FOR
Jamario Moon, Leon Powe

[Ruzious]

I posted this on the trade forum, but I see the Wizards needing two major items. A backup big with some meat who can defend the post, rebound, and maybe has a little low post game (though that aspect is not as necessary) and considering the wings in their own division, a wing who can defend (or at least help) the likes of James, Wade, Jackson, Wallace, Carter, Pierce etc and etc.

My idea:

Al Thornton + 2011 2nd Rounder
FOR
Jamario Moon, Leon Powe

I wouldn't have a problem with that - add a little speed, defense, and muscle to the roster. Moon's style probably fits with Wall and Flip better than Thornton's. And Powe can be an extra body up front who can bang. Otoh, I'd like to keep a roster spot for Cartier Martin.

[hands11]

I posted this on the trade forum, but I see the Wizards needing two major items. A backup big with some meat who can defend the post, rebound, and maybe has a little low post game (though that aspect is not as necessary) and considering the wings in their own division, a wing who can defend (or at least help) the likes of James, Wade, Jackson, Wallace, Carter, Pierce etc and etc.

My idea:

Al Thornton + 2011 2nd Rounder
FOR
Jamario Moon, Leon Powe

Hmm, that sounds interesting.

[Dat2U]

I posted this on the trade forum, but I see the Wizards needing two major items. A backup big with some meat who can defend the post, rebound, and maybe has a little low post game (though that aspect is not as necessary) and considering the wings in their own division, a wing who can defend (or at least help) the likes of James, Wade, Jackson, Wallace, Carter, Pierce etc and etc.

My idea:

Al Thornton + 2011 2nd Rounder
FOR
Jamario Moon, Leon Powe

I wouldn't have a problem with that - add a little speed, defense, and muscle to the roster. Moon's style probably fits with Wall and Flip better than Thornton's. And Powe can be an extra body up front who can bang. Otoh, I'd like to keep a roster spot for Cartier Martin.

That would be a really sweet deal. I'd prefer Moon to Thornton anyways. Powe is a low risk, high reward option at PF on the cheap and would immediately become our best big off the bench.

[Ruzious]

Moon can jump to the... moon. Speaking of Cleveland, I'd love to trade with them using Barely's trademark idea - trade for a pick that has a chance to be a top pick. I think it's possible, because I think Cleveland will be in free fall mode - after leading the NBA in regular season wins the last seasons. Don't try for their 2011 1st rounder; go for a later year, because they're too stupid to realize how bad they're going to be in a couple of years. I mean, we're talking about a team whose 2 best players are Sideshow V and Mo Williams - along with Jamison in his mid 30's. And their only developing young player is a so-so PF. And... no free agent worth anything is going to go a team with a red-neck owner who basically ran a bus over the one person responsible for any success they had. I just went over to their forum, and a lot of their fans believe they're going to be in the playoffs this season, so the reality of their situation clearly has not set in. That means the time to strike is sooner than later - before they wake up. With apologies to the many Ramon Sessions fans here, their roster stinks.

I haven't figured out a trade, but I'd be so all over getting their 2012 or 2013 pick. Make it 2012 AND 2014 for bonus points. The genius move might be to trade our 1sts for their 1sts - or a trade that gives us the option to switch picks - no restrictions.

[Dat2U]

Oh yeah Ruz, Cleveland has easily the worst roster in the league IMO. I hate to admit this, but LeBron did a helluva job making Cleveland as good as they was. He never had a legit 2nd option there. You could argue that Big Z of a few years ago was probably the best player he's played with. Mo Williams might have been an all-star but in name only. Varejao is an important cog to a championship team, but ideally he's a 3rd big in a 3-man frontcourt rotation.

Those future picks are damn near locks to be top 5 picks. If there's anyway possible to pry them away, I'd make it happen.

[Benjammin]

Oh yeah Ruz, Cleveland has easily the worst roster in the league IMO. I hate to admit this, but LeBron did a helluva job making Cleveland as good as they was. He never had a legit 2nd option there. You could argue that Big Z of a few years ago was probably the best player he's played with. Mo Williams might have been an all-star but in name only. Varejao is an important cog to a championship team, but ideally he's a 3rd big in a 3-man frontcourt rotation.

Those future picks are damn near locks to be top 5 picks. If there's anyway possible to pry them away, I'd make it happen.

Unfortunately, Ted Stepien is no longer their owner. You know you suck as an owner when the league has to step in, stop you from ruining your team, and naming a rule after you. So short of Gilbert channeling his inner Stepien I don't see them trading any unprotected first round picks any time soon.

[Rafael122]

I'm still not sure why the Wizards aren't at least putting an offer on the table for Melo. I mean, we probably did put an offer in, but come on.

We could offer them a pick, plus McGee, Nick Young and something else in exchange for Melo and one of their bigs. They wouldn't want Arenas because a) his history and b) his contract.

[Ruzious]

I'm still not sure why the Wizards aren't at least putting an offer on the table for Melo. I mean, we probably did put an offer in, but come on.

We could offer them a pick, plus McGee, Nick Young and something else in exchange for Melo and one of their bigs. They wouldn't want Arenas because a) his history and b) his contract.

You just answered your question. Really, it doesn't make much sense to have both Arenas and Melo here - especially with Wall running the show and with the dollars involved. The thing to do if the Wiz want Melo is to wait - wait for Arenas to build his trade value up and then see if they can package him in a deal involving Melo - probably a 3 way deal.

[Wizardspride]

I'm still not sure why the Wizards aren't at least putting an offer on the table for Melo. I mean, we probably did put an offer in, but come on.

We could offer them a pick, plus McGee, Nick Young and something else in exchange for Melo and one of their bigs. They wouldn't want Arenas because a) his history and b) his contract.

Does Carmelo really make us that much better as opposed to keeping Gil, our young bigs and draft picks?

[Hoopalotta]

Assuming that we're trying for summer of 2012 free agency (and assuming we're keeping Gil), the best thing to do next offseason would be a BOYD deal for a future draft pick. That way we'd avoid the extra rookie contract as things could be pressed pretty tight as far as the 2012 cap depending on the post-CBA salary structure figures.

This time it would need to be a straight expiring that comes off the books in sync with Hinkle.

Actually, the one thing that would change that is if Gil exercised his 2012 ETO and agreed to a new deal. Something like Gil walks away from two years @ $43 million and resigns for four years @ $60 million (+/ish). That would open up a lot of room.

For the Dray extension to happen as it did was a total game changer from a long term cap stand point.

[Wizardspride]

Do you like this proposal?

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Sixers trades: Andres Nocioni,Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young, Lou Williams
Sixers receive: Gilbert Arenas Rashard Lewis

Pacers trades TJ Ford, Jeff Foster, conditonal first rounder
Pacers receives Lou Williams Marcin Gortat

Magic trades: Rashard Lewis, Brandon Bass, Marcin Gortat
Magic receives: Thaddeus Young, ELton Brand, Jeff Foster

Wizards trades: Gilbert Arenas
Wizards receives: TJ Ford, Andres Nocioni, Brandon Bass, conditonal first rounder

Sixers gets two veteran Stars in hope they can entice Carmelo to think the Sixers, Arenas and Lewis will have to be subordinate at this point I dont think Arenas playing with Holiday will be a problem

Pacers gets combo guard and a big physical center

Magic gets a young combo forward to replace with Young the Brand become a good contributor at this point of the team become the a great 4th or fith option in a an offensive and should flourish when Howard gets double team, Foster is quality rebounder as a 10 mpg player until Orton devlops. Young still has an upside

Wizard gets AN expiring contract in TJ Ford, Brandon Bass is a young power forward and the center piece of this package, Nocioni Physical play to compliment Booker and developing Blatche. he provides an attitude.. the conditional first rounder becomes a an future asset

[colts18]

Why would the Sixers trade for both Lewis and Arenas. That completely destroys their cap.

[Ruzious]

I'll get brutalized for this, but reading how Greg Oden's knee is way behind recovery schedule http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index ... s_min.html, now's the time to steal him. Portland's gotta be frustrated, so take advantage. Buy low, sell high. He'll be an RFA after this season.

[nate33]

I'll get brutalized for this, but reading how Greg Oden's knee is way behind recovery schedule http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index ... s_min.html, now's the time to steal him. Portland's gotta be frustrated, so take advantage. Buy low, sell high. He'll be an RFA after this season.

It depends on the asking price.

I'd trade a first rounder for him.
I would not trade Blatche for him.
I'd think long and hard about a McGee trade.

How sick would we be if we had a healthy Greg Oden in place of McGee, and also added a defensive small forward (say, Tayshaun Prince or Wilson Chandler) in the offseason? Next year, we'd roll with:

PG Wall
SG Arenas
SF Prince
PF Blatche
C Oden
Bench: Hinrich, Young, Booker, Yi, Seraphin, 2011 1st.

[Ruzious]

I'll get brutalized for this, but reading how Greg Oden's knee is way behind recovery schedule http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index ... s_min.html, now's the time to steal him. Portland's gotta be frustrated, so take advantage. Buy low, sell high. He'll be an RFA after this season.

It depends on the asking price.

I'd trade a first rounder for him.
I would not trade Blatche for him.
I'd think long and hard about a McGee trade.

How sick would we be if we had a healthy Greg Oden in place of McGee, and also added a defensive small forward (say, Tayshaun Prince or Wilson Chandler) in the offseason? Next year, we'd roll with:

PG Wall
SG Arenas
SF Prince
PF Blatche
C Oden
Bench: Hinrich, Young, Booker, Yi, Seraphin, 2011 1st.

Yup, that's exactly where I was going - as far as an Oden for McGee deal. We might actually get them to throw in a pick - depending on their frustration level. And Prince or Chandler would be a nice fit.

[Rafael122]

There was some discussion (just armchair GM stuff) on Twitter between Dat and Michael Lee. Lee wouldn't do an Iggy for Nick Young + Al Thornton + Josh Howard trade. We would have to give the Sixers a pick, but I don't really think that's necessary. We're helping Philly get rid of a bad contract, Iggy would be our best perimeter defender and our starting forward.

I like the trade but the contract is awful.

[LyricalRico]

There was some discussion (just armchair GM stuff) on Twitter between Dat and Michael Lee. Lee wouldn't do an Iggy for Nick Young + Al Thornton + Josh Howard trade. We would have to give the Sixers a pick, but I don't really think that's necessary. We're helping Philly get rid of a bad contract, Iggy would be our best perimeter defender and our starting forward.

I like the trade but the contract is awful.

I think we'd absolutely have to include a pick, maybe more than one. The only thing of value we're giving up is expiring contracts, since none of those guys would likely be in Philly in 2011. And I say possibly more than one pick because upgrading to him at SF would put us squarely in the playoff hunt IMO, so Philly wouldn't be expecting it to be a lottery pick.

No doubt that Iggy's deal is huge, but he's still a young All-Star quality talent without a serious injury history and getting that for expirings and two late firsts sounds fair to me.

[Hoopalotta]

I'm not really seeing Iggy as a fit here with our schemes/personnel and with a catch and shoot guy working a lot better. I'd expect that we'd hear something about "there aren't any hockey assists to be found in this offense" before long.

I think we'd win more games with a role player like Jared Dudley (though I wouldn't suggest we sign him either if our 2012 cap situation is as open as I expect). It's a 'less is more' situation.