Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[Lamak]

Carmelo doesn't really know what he wants anymore. He's just listening to the talking heads around him.

[Netaman]

Two Words: Billy King.

I don't blame Billy King for the deal falling apart. Denver is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if they don't see that this is the best offer they are going to get by far.

This might be the best thing that could have happened for us because there are a lot of players on this team who's value may increase substantially once we actually start playing games (Harris, James, TWill, Favors).

If Denver moves Melo somewhere else (like Houston) for a lesser offer then we can start the blame game. If he ends up on the Knicks then that's going to be pretty miserable. I don't know how Melo feels about Philly but considering they have assets and Denver reportedly likes Iguadala I could see Thorn swooping in on this.

[Netaman]

Carmelo doesn't really know what he wants anymore. He's just listening to the talking heads around him.

Carmelo would come here. The deal not being agreed to is what is killing this. Melo like everyone is just getting frustrated by the Nuggets handling of the situation.

[demens]

Two Words: Billy King.

I don't blame Billy King for the deal falling apart. Denver is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if they don't see that this is the best offer they are going to get by far.

This might be the best thing that could have happened for us because there are a lot of players on this team who's value may increase substantially once we actually start playing games (Harris, James, TWill, Favors).

If Denver moves Melo somewhere else (like Houston) for a lesser offer then we can start the blame game. If he ends up on the Knicks then that's going to be pretty miserable. I don't know how Melo feels about Philly but considering they have assets and Denver reportedly likes Iguadala I could see Thorn swooping in on this.

I agree that some players can increase their value over the season but Favors is not one of them. He is at peak value right now, his value is more at risk of going down then up and he is the most important peace of our offer.

Melo is the only max worthy star available for the next 2 years. There is a very slim chance that we could grab him as a free agent, very slim, a lot of things have to go right this year for that to happen, including the Knicks stinking it up. Unless one of our guys turning into that kind of level of a star not getting Melo this year is a huge failure. If he is traded elsewhere with an ext. we are ****, if he is traded to the Knicks we are Royaly ****.

This is a very all or nothing situation.

[Lamak]

Carmelo doesn't really know what he wants anymore. He's just listening to the talking heads around him.

Carmelo would come here. The deal not being agreed to is what is killing this. Melo like everyone is just getting frustrated by the Nuggets handling of the situation.

From what's being reported, it's not only the deal that's not going through, it's Carmelo's weariness to be with us long term. I think that this probably won't go through and Melo will be on the Nuggets.

[Netaman]

Carmelo doesn't really know what he wants anymore. He's just listening to the talking heads around him.

Carmelo would come here. The deal not being agreed to is what is killing this. Melo like everyone is just getting frustrated by the Nuggets handling of the situation.

From what's being reported, it's not only the deal that's not going through, it's Carmelo's weariness to be with us long term. I think that this probably won't go through and Melo will be on the Nuggets.

Make no mistake if Melo has a chance to get to the east coast and make his $ now he will take it.

[kmsmith5]

I've been saying it all along. Part of the benefit of trading for Melo is keeping him from NY, especially in Free agency.

Posters on this board have said Paul won't be able to follow him due to lack of cap space, but even if NYK give up Gallinari and Randolph for Melo now, they will have Felton + Turiaf expirings, Chandler, Walker, Douglas? to match for a 2012 trade deadline deal. If Melo goes to NY in Free Agency, Paul is almost certainly to follow.

That gives the Knicks Paul, Carmelo, and Amare to compete with the Heat.

[Talentfull]

I wonder how this is going to be for team morale...

This. Seriously, we're a young team and we don't need all this uncertainty floating around while players are in training camp. It's a distraction plain and simple. Also apparently Billy King is still working hard on getting this deal completed. If he can't get it done by tomorrow he needs to completely end talks with Denver.

[mikhailjordan]

they will have Felton + Turiaf expirings, Chandler, Walker, Douglas?

- Felton: Average point guard, has to prove that last year wasn't a fluke shooting wise (I personally think he has improved but he's not the next CP3 like some Knicks fans believe).

- Turiaf: Sucks (unless you like bigs who don't rebound and don't defend, dude literally jumps at every shot attempt)

- Chandler: Decent player but does not have star potential. His inability to get to the line seriously limits his offensive upside.

- Walker: WTF. He's a dime a dozen role player who got to chuck to his heart's content in NY.

- Douglas: One of the worst players in the entire league at running an offense. He's a shooting guard in a point guard's body. I guess on the bright side at least he defends relatively well...

[kmsmith5]

they will have Felton + Turiaf expirings, Chandler, Walker, Douglas?

- Felton: Average point guard, has to prove that last year wasn't a fluke shooting wise (I personally think he has improved but he's not the next CP3 like some Knicks fans believe).

- Turiaf: Sucks (unless you like bigs who don't rebound and don't defend, dude literally jumps at every shot attempt)

- Chandler: Decent player but does not have star potential. His inability to get to the line seriously limits his offensive upside.

- Walker: WTF. He's a dime a dozen role player who got to chuck to his heart's content in NY.

- Douglas: One of the worst players in the entire league at running an offense. He's a shooting guard in a point guard's body. I guess on the bright side at least he defends relatively well...

Felton and Turiaf are simply for Salary match and are expiring. Turiaf is a good defensive player, anyway. I'm not saying those players will blow NO away, but if Paul says he's leaving , but will only sign an extension with NY, NOH are handcuffed. Of course, they could just let him walk to another team for nothing (NYK would not have the cap space to get him in this case).

Waker chucked 3s at 43%. Yea he's a role player, but on a very cheap contract.
Douglas was drafted for defense and put up 39% on 3s. Also on a very cheap rookie contract.

They're far from equal value for Paul, but if NO was in a situation where it was trade him to the Knicks or let him walk(to a non-knicks team), they might prefer to get Chandler, Walker, Douglas and expirings (maybe keep Felton or Turiaf). It really depends on how they play next year.

[jerseyjac]

I wouldn't mind it falling apart.... But going to the Knicks would be a disaster!

nahhh...him going to the Knicks and us spanking them with our current lineup would be classic...

[jerseyjac]

Two Words: Billy King.

I don't blame Billy King for the deal falling apart. Denver is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if they don't see that this is the best offer they are going to get by far.

This might be the best thing that could have happened for us because there are a lot of players on this team who's value may increase substantially once we actually start playing games (Harris, James, TWill, Favors).

If Denver moves Melo somewhere else (like Houston) for a lesser offer then we can start the blame game. If he ends up on the Knicks then that's going to be pretty miserable. I don't know how Melo feels about Philly but considering they have assets and Denver reportedly likes Iguadala I could see Thorn swooping in on this.

I agree that some players can increase their value over the season but Favors is not one of them. He is at peak value right now, his value is more at risk of going down then up and he is the most important peace of our offer.

Melo is the only max worthy star available for the next 2 years. There is a very slim chance that we could grab him as a free agent, very slim, a lot of things have to go right this year for that to happen, including the Knicks stinking it up. Unless one of our guys turning into that kind of level of a star not getting Melo this year is a huge failure. If he is traded elsewhere with an ext. we are ****, if he is traded to the Knicks we are Royaly ****.

This is a very all or nothing situation.

Let the kid play a friggin NBA game before you predict what direction his value is going to go...

[vincecarter4pres]

they will have Felton + Turiaf expirings, Chandler, Walker, Douglas?

- Felton: Average point guard, has to prove that last year wasn't a fluke shooting wise (I personally think he has improved but he's not the next CP3 like some Knicks fans believe).

- Turiaf: Sucks (unless you like bigs who don't rebound and don't defend, dude literally jumps at every shot attempt)

- Chandler: Decent player but does not have star potential. His inability to get to the line seriously limits his offensive upside.

- Walker: WTF. He's a dime a dozen role player who got to chuck to his heart's content in NY.

- Douglas: One of the worst players in the entire league at running an offense. He's a shooting guard in a point guard's body. I guess on the bright side at least he defends relatively well...

Felton and Turiaf are simply for Salary match and are expiring. Turiaf is a good defensive player, anyway. I'm not saying those players will blow NO away, but if Paul says he's leaving , but will only sign an extension with NY, NOH are handcuffed. Of course, they could just let him walk to another team for nothing (NYK would not have the cap space to get him in this case).

Waker chucked 3s at 43%. Yea he's a role player, but on a very cheap contract.
Douglas was drafted for defense and put up 39% on 3s. Also on a very cheap rookie contract.

They're far from equal value for Paul, but if NO was in a situation where it was trade him to the Knicks or let him walk(to a non-knicks team), they might prefer to get Chandler, Walker, Douglas and expirings (maybe keep Felton or Turiaf). It really depends on how they play next year.

Not sure if you're talking this year or next, but if you meant this season neither Felton or Turiaf are expirings and if you're talking next season chances are they will not have Chandler.

It's also amusing that you think Denver should receive this great package for Melo, including a valuable draft pick(s) and an elite stud prospect, yet Chris Paul should be traded for space trash orbiting planet garbage.

[demens]

Let the kid play a friggin NBA game before you predict what direction his value is going to go...

No.

Unless he plays like Dwight from his 1st game (which will never happen) there is no possible way he can increase his value. His value is as high as it is BECAUSE he has not yet played a game. There is no sense to wait till he plays, his value can only stay where it is or go down.

[vincecarter4pres]

Let the kid play a friggin NBA game before you predict what direction his value is going to go...

No.

Unless he plays like Dwight from his 1st game (which will never happen) there is no possible way he can increase his value. His value is as high as it is BECAUSE he has not yet played a game. There is no sense to wait till he plays, his value can only stay where it is or go down.

You're so clueless dude.

Favors value will at least remain constant for his first two seasons, everyone knows he's a project player and if he looks really good in his first few months his trade value can do nothing but go up because GM's will assume it is much more likely he is is going to reach his potential.

[SOUP]

Thorn is about to bend us over and rape us without lube.

[demens]

Let the kid play a friggin NBA game before you predict what direction his value is going to go...

No.

Unless he plays like Dwight from his 1st game (which will never happen) there is no possible way he can increase his value. His value is as high as it is BECAUSE he has not yet played a game. There is no sense to wait till he plays, his value can only stay where it is or go down.

You're so clueless dude.

Favors value will at least remain constant for his first two seasons, everyone knows he's a project player and if he looks really good in his first few months his trade value can do nothing but go up because GM's will assume it is much more likely he is is going to reach his potential.

You're clueless. If favors looks like Kwame Brown out there for 2 years noone will give a **** about his potential project or whatever it is that you think you have a clue about.

[vincecarter4pres]

Watch Thorn build a super team in Philly!

If he can really get Melo for Iggy it's a no lose situation for him.
Philly has a chance to convince him to stay and if he bolts you rid yourself of Iggy's contract.

He could also try and string together a package for Chris Paul using Evan Turner as the centerpiece and then upgrade one of their big men using Jrue Holiday and one of their young guys that is left after the Melo and Paul deals.

It's complicated and a little far fetched, but if he can pull off the Melo for Iggy swap, skies the limit with all the other assets he still has, even with Brand's disgusting contract still stuck on the roster, as long as their owners are willing to spend to put together a contender.

[kmsmith5]

Not sure if you're talking this year or next, but if you meant this season neither Felton or Turiaf are expirings and if you're talking next season chances are they will not have Chandler.

It's also amusing that you think Denver should receive this great package for Melo, including a valuable draft pick(s) and an elite stud prospect, yet Chris Paul should be traded for space trash orbiting planet garbage.

Obv. next year. I think I said that in my previous post.

First, I don't think they should receive this great package. It would be nice to negotiate better, but it doesn't look like that's happening. A Favors-less package isn't as good as Anthony Randolph unless you get a team that values Harris more as a 3rd or 4th party to send picks(s) or prospect(s) to NJ or DEN.

Chris Paul's value would be significantly lowered if he said "I'm leaving, and I will only sign an extension with the Knicks". They can still let him walk to ANOTHER team with cap space (not the Knicks) at the end of the year.

[BasketCase1]

If there is one guy who can get it done, it's Rod Thorn. Philly, enjoy your new gm, he's quite exceptional when he doesn't have politics interfering with his job.

If this deal falls apart, there is a high chance of this trade being a blessing in disguise. I felt like we were giving up to much to get a player who doesn't even play defense and is not even a top ten player in the league. Top 15 yes, but not a top ten player. I want to see what we have with Favors because if he turns into a stud our frontline will be freaking studly with Brook right next to him.

I must admit, Billy King is certainly making me nervous as our GM. Can't shake off that feeling that he doesn't know what he's doing.