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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#701 » by gavran » Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:09 pm

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KnicksScholar24 wrote:They found this bacteria in a lake in California. How did they jump to the conclusion that this could mean "the possibility of finding beings in other planets?" Are they suggesting alien came here and left this alien bacteria in California?

I wonder how this alien bacteria will affect people. Hopefully it doesn't cause another black plague.


No, no, no that is not what they are saying. This just scientifically opens up the door for more theories on there being other life forms on other planets. If Carl Sagan were alive he would have orgasmed in his pants upon hearing this news.


Interesting that you should say that. Have you read Sagan's memoir "Getting My Rocks Off At Lake Mono" yet? Connect the dots.

Yepp, Nassholes are just messing with people with this story. A lot of us on this board watched the show Through the Wormhole, and there was an episode, where they were talking about this, and that was month ago. Even then they didn't present it like some kind of a new discovery.
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#702 » by Dr. Detfink » Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:12 pm

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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#703 » by Kool-Aid Drunk » Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:13 pm

TheBluest wrote:Wake me up when scientist are able to cause the elements that make up life come into existence from nothing. Or better yet add an element to the periodic table from nothing.


Wake up? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_element
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#704 » by cooch2584 » Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:59 pm

If it cant cure cancer and save millions of lives i wont give up a dollar.And i dont want that" Recipe For Man Book" to come out again remember??
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#705 » by aveboogie7 » Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:28 pm

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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#706 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:28 pm

Its an important groundbreaking discovery that nobody knew possible.

We knew life could survive in Lake Mono with arsenic and phosphorus, but we did not know it could survive with 0 phosphorus. This was an experiment done in the lab with bacterium found in Lake Mono, which is heavy in arsenic but also contains an ingredient for life with phosphorus. In the lab they reduced the amount of phosphorous to 0 and replaced this with arsenic.

Basically life as we knew it needed phosphorus, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen and/or sulfur. This is the first time proven that life was able to survive and thrive without any of those ingredients.

Phosphorous is very similar to arsenic much like carbon is similar to silicon. It opens the door for many other possibilities such as silicon life forms. Ok, so now where are the fake boob pics?
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#707 » by Kyrama » Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:31 pm

We should be spending our money on the military, not science!
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#708 » by PrecociousNeoph » Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:39 pm

KnicksScholar24 wrote:They found this bacteria in a lake in California. How did they jump to the conclusion that this could mean "the possibility of finding beings in other planets?" Are they suggesting alien came here and left this alien bacteria in California?

I wonder how this alien bacteria will affect people. Hopefully it doesn't cause another black plague.


oh boy.. no... it was found surviving in an environment and in conditions where nothing could possibly survive. that's not to say that this sort of thing is new, there are life forms found living in volcanoes, deep sea geo thermal vents etc. the reason this is significant is because the conditions are extreme, and if carbon based life can survive here, then it proves that it can survive in other similar extreme conditions as well (like most other planets).

the other big thing is that this life form is not carbon based, like all life on this planet. it's arsenic based. this is a HUGE deal.

calm down with the sci fi / alien stuff guys...
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#709 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:42 pm

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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#710 » by PrecociousNeoph » Thu Dec 2, 2010 9:45 pm

TheBluest wrote:Wake me up when scientist are able to cause the elements that make up life come into existence from nothing. Or better yet add an element to the periodic table from nothing.


is that really your position on science?
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#711 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Dec 2, 2010 10:15 pm

TheBluest wrote:Wake me up when scientist are able to cause the elements that make up life come into existence from nothing. Or better yet add an element to the periodic table from nothing.


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Re: O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::. 

Post#712 » by magnumt » Thu Dec 2, 2010 10:54 pm

I just realized something, if we do indeed find the Shadow planet or another "Sun" near our own Solar System with the Deep Space Satellite deployed last Year...it would change the "Habitable Zone" Theory.

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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#713 » by blackstar » Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:03 pm

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KnicksScholar24 wrote:They found this bacteria in a lake in California. How did they jump to the conclusion that this could mean "the possibility of finding beings in other planets?" Are they suggesting alien came here and left this alien bacteria in California?

I wonder how this alien bacteria will affect people. Hopefully it doesn't cause another black plague.


oh boy.. no... it was found surviving in an environment and in conditions where nothing could possibly survive. that's not to say that this sort of thing is new, there are life forms found living in volcanoes, deep sea geo thermal vents etc. the reason this is significant is because the conditions are extreme, and if carbon based life can survive here, then it proves that it can survive in other similar extreme conditions as well (like most other planets).

the other big thing is that this life form is not carbon based, like all life on this planet. it's arsenic based. this is a HUGE deal.

calm down with the sci fi / alien stuff guys...


what do you mean it's not carbon based? they're talking about substituting arsenic for phosphorus, everything else is still made of carbon
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Re: O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::. 

Post#714 » by Marty McFly » Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:07 pm

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REVOLVER wrote:Giant Stealth Planet May Explain Rain of Comets from Solar System's Edge
Our sun may have a companion that disturbs comets from the edge of the solar system — a giant planet with up to four times the mass of Jupiter, researchers suggest.

A NASA space telescope launched last year may soon detect such a stealth companion to our sun, if it actually exists, in the distant icy realm of the comet-birthing Oort cloud, which surrounds our solar system with billions of icy objects.

The potential jumbo Jupiter would likely be a world so frigid it is difficult to spot, researchers said. It could be found up to 30,000 astronomical units from the sun. One AU is the distance between the Earth and the sun, about 93 million miles (150 million km).


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/s ... 11201.html


This is IMO an off-set of the Nemesis Theory (for those who don't know about it, Google it you'll enjoy the read), and the idea that we are really a Binary Solar System (hence the large amount of Planets that we have).

Thanks for the link, I love these type of theories. Any more REVOLVER?

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Re: O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::. 

Post#715 » by magnumt » Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:11 pm

^I have Space.com bookmarked for awhile now too. ;) But, okay. :P
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Re: O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::. 

Post#716 » by Luv those Knicks » Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:38 pm

gavran wrote:I don't understand this. If the planet was 4 times bigger than Jupiter, shouldn't it radiate heat? The pressure would be so huge that the temperature of the core should radiate more than enough fo us to detect. Every outer planet in our solar system radiate more heat than it absorp, why would this be an exception? Especially if it's bigger than every outer combined.


The internal heat is a valid argument. 4 times the size of jupiter likely isn't big enough to cause any fusion. I'm not sure what the fusion starting point is, but I think it's a good deal higher than that, however, internal heat can also be generated from debris falling into the planet, in fact, the simple matter of gas collecting and forming into a planet generates a lot of heat which cools over time, as well as radioative decay. I think, most likely a planet 4 times the size of jupiter would radiate thermal energy, but at that distance, whether it would get lost in the background of space, that's harder to say.

So I think your point is valid. Planets do tend to cool down over time, but 4 times the size of jupiter is very large. That would take a long time to cool. But if it's half a lightyear away and if it generates such a small amount of energy in comparison to the dimmest star, it might not be detectible. So, long and short of it is, you may be right, but I don't know enough to say conclusively.



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Still cloudy to me. We can detect long dead brown dwarfs from lightyears away, because their gravitational pressure provides us all the radiation we need. Same with the gas planets, which radiate more than they absorp, which means that they don't need the Sun to generate heat. If this planet is as big as they say, it should easily do the same.



Tight orbits are more easily detected than longer orbits because we can see wobbles and we can detect when an object is between the earth and a visible star.

A planet that's 1,000 times further away from the sun than Neptune would orbit so slowly that the wobble would be more difficult to detect. So this theory might be possible, but that doesn't mean it's likely. It reads more like some preposterous proposal than an actual well researched proposal.
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Re: O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::. 

Post#717 » by Luv those Knicks » Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:43 pm

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Luv those Knicks wrote:Thought this was cool.

Apparently Nasa will make this announcement today. This is somebody leaking the info early.


http://gizmodo.com/5704158/

Hours before their special news conference today, the cat is out of the bag: NASA has discovered a completely new life form that doesn't share the biological building blocks of anything currently living in planet Earth. This changes everything.

At their conference today, NASA scientist Felisa Wolfe Simon will announce that they have found a bacteria whose DNA is completely alien to what we know today. Instead of using phosphorus, the bacteria uses arsenic. All life on Earth is made of six components: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur. Every being, from the smallest amoeba to the largest whale, share the same life stream. Our DNA blocks are all the same.

But not this one. This one is completely different. Discovered in the poisonous Mono Lake, California, this bacteria is made of arsenic, something that was thought to be completely impossible. While she and other scientists theorized that this could be possible, this is the first discovery. The implications of this discovery are enormous to our understanding of life itself and the possibility of finding beings in other planets that don't have to be like planet Earth.


NASA is dumb at times. Common sense and logic would dictate that life in the Universe would try to use whatever materials are nearest in abundance to create life. Carbon just so happens to be one of the core's in our area, but other areas could have Silicon, or other building blocks (as this Arsenic Life Form shows).

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Carbon is a core element for life. This bit is about arsenic as one of the key elements in the bacteria's DNA, not cell structure. Carbon is irreplacable because nothing else forms a molecular chain like carbon. For similar reasons, water is thought to be irreplacable because it so readily disolves and holds other elements, salts, and what have you.
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#718 » by Luv those Knicks » Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:56 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Its an important groundbreaking discovery that nobody knew possible.

We knew life could survive in Lake Mono with arsenic and phosphorus, but we did not know it could survive with 0 phosphorus. This was an experiment done in the lab with bacterium found in Lake Mono, which is heavy in arsenic but also contains an ingredient for life with phosphorus. In the lab they reduced the amount of phosphorous to 0 and replaced this with arsenic.

Basically life as we knew it needed phosphorus, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen and/or sulfur. This is the first time proven that life was able to survive and thrive without any of those ingredients.

Phosphorous is very similar to arsenic much like carbon is similar to silicon. It opens the door for many other possibilities such as silicon life forms. Ok, so now where are the fake boob pics?


Carbon and Silicon are not that similar. Carbon forms all kinds of things that Silicon does not. Carbon is the only element that readily bonds in 4 directions, that's why it's so versitile. Nothing else comes close.

But you're correct on Phosphorous and Arsenic having similar properties.
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#719 » by Jakespeare » Thu Dec 2, 2010 11:59 pm

It's very awesome, gamechanger.
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Re: OT: BREAKING NEWS NASA Discovers New Type of Life 

Post#720 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Dec 3, 2010 1:13 am

Hope you guys can come to my drag version of the NASA announcement. We're calling the show Arsenic and Old Lace.

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