[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[towelie]

Whatever, if we don't get Melo, go for OJ Mayo and either Gasol or Tyson Chandler in the offseason.

In all honesty, I'd just prefer the whole Melo saga to be over with, regardless of where he goes, so we know what moves we can then make to improve the team. We're in a hold state until this Melo crap gets resolved, and it's annoying as f*ck.

[seren]

I really really really did not like the comment he made about the extension.

come on guys

get real

did anyone REALLY believe he was going to leave 65 GUARANTEED million on the table when the CBA is in limbo?

Three things:

1) The new CBA may end up cutting salaries for EVERYONE. That means his 65 mil is not guaranteed.
2) It is not like it is 65 mil or nothing. He will still get the max whatever that max is.
3) I don't understand why people can't believe players may leave money on the table when three top FAs just did that this summer leaving 15 million each on the table.

[Pharmcat]

I really really really did not like the comment he made about the extension.

come on guys

get real

did anyone REALLY believe he was going to leave 65 GUARANTEED million on the table when the CBA is in limbo?

Three things:

1) The new CBA may end up cutting salaries for EVERYONE. That means his 65 mil is not guaranteed.
2) It is not like it is 65 mil or nothing. He will still get the max whatever that max is.
3) I don't understand why people can't believe players may leave money on the table when three top FAs just did that this summer leaving 15 million each on the table.

melo is all bout the $$$

thats why he took the one extra year in the last contract unlike lebron, wade, and bosh did

[kane2021]

I really really really did not like the comment he made about the extension.

come on guys

get real

did anyone REALLY believe he was going to leave 65 GUARANTEED million on the table when the CBA is in limbo?

I never thought he would be dealt here without the extension. I DID think if we could not get a trade done we could wait. I DID think we were negotiating a rental type of package. Denver holds the power of the extension. And Melo is property of the denver nuggets. So no one can gauge interest in him. Meaning we must go off of what Denver says and leaks.

[kane2021]

I really really really did not like the comment he made about the extension.

He is made it twice. When he was here last weekend, he said that his extension would be the first thing taken care of in a trade by trade deadline. I've been wary ever since, it's a big change from his statement at the beginning of the season that he would wait until the offseason to decide what to do. It's not even a subtle change, he is straight out stating this.

Its a bit of a contradiction. And I think it hurts us. Because you are no longer negotiating a "rental" type of package. If you deal for melo your dealing for him under contract. If the extension is more important than free agency, kind of throws our position in the situation out.

Meaning his #1 priority is that 20 million a year. Meaning he really does not want to become a free agent. Meaning we might have to gut the team because Denver holds the power of the extension.

Thats just my take on it. I would not hold so much weight in it had he not said it himself. He could say NY only. But Denver can turn around to NY and demand the farm. The key in all of this is if we dont trade for him this season we can sign him. Well, if the extension is THAT important there will be no free agency after all.

Just feels like he pulled the rug out from under us. We are all on equal playing fields until he says he will not sign with that team. Denver can run game game all day all night now.

[seren]

Three things:

1) The new CBA may end up cutting salaries for EVERYONE. That means his 65 mil is not guaranteed.
2) It is not like it is 65 mil or nothing. He will still get the max whatever that max is.
3) I don't understand why people can't believe players may leave money on the table when three top FAs just did that this summer leaving 15 million each on the table.

melo is all bout the $$$

thats why he took the one extra year in the last contract unlike lebron, wade, and bosh did

Not really. And you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Pharmcat]

Three things:

1) The new CBA may end up cutting salaries for EVERYONE. That means his 65 mil is not guaranteed.
2) It is not like it is 65 mil or nothing. He will still get the max whatever that max is.
3) I don't understand why people can't believe players may leave money on the table when three top FAs just did that this summer leaving 15 million each on the table.

melo is all bout the $$$

thats why he took the one extra year in the last contract unlike lebron, wade, and bosh did

Not really. And you have no idea what you are talking about.

these were his quotes when he signed that extension

"It was a no-brainer for me," Anthony said. "When all the rumors were out there saying I was signing this type of deal or that type of deal, my family called me and said, 'Look, are you crazy?' Growing up we don't have [much]."

Anthony, 22, was all smiles at his evening press conference. Flanked by Warkentien on his right and team owner Stan Kroenke to his left, Anthony talked about how this was the right decision for him.

"My situation is different than other situations," he said. "I had to make sure my family is straight, make sure my kids, my grandkids, my great-great grandkids are straight. That's why I feel good about it."

he was and is all bout the benjamins (not that there is anything wrong with it)

[knicks742]

I really really really did not like the comment he made about the extension.

He is made it twice. When he was here last weekend, he said that his extension would be the first thing taken care of in a trade by trade deadline. I've been wary ever since, it's a big change from his statement at the beginning of the season that he would wait until the offseason to decide what to do. It's not even a subtle change, he is straight out stating this.

Its a bit of a contradiction. And I think it hurts us. Because you are no longer negotiating a "rental" type of package. If you deal for melo your dealing for him under contract. If the extension is more important than free agency, kind of throws our position in the situation out.

Meaning his #1 priority is that 20 million a year. Meaning he really does not want to become a free agent. Meaning we might have to gut the team because Denver holds the power of the extension.

Thats just my take on it. I would not hold so much weight in it had he not said it himself. He could say NY only. But Denver can turn around to NY and demand the farm. The key in all of this is if we dont trade for him this season we can sign him. Well, if the extension is THAT important there will be no free agency after all.

Just feels like he pulled the rug out from under us. We are all on equal playing fields until he says he will not sign with that team. Denver can run game game all day all night now.

I am with you 100%. He pulled the rug out from under us is my opinion. Even if this was his ultimate goal, if he just remained quiet, we could still have some leverage, now it's gone. That's why I am now ready to make a final offer and move on if it's not received well. There are still things that we can do to get this team better, including the continued improvement of our youth.

[towelie]

I really really really did not like the comment he made about the extension.

He is made it twice. When he was here last weekend, he said that his extension would be the first thing taken care of in a trade by trade deadline. I've been wary ever since, it's a big change from his statement at the beginning of the season that he would wait until the offseason to decide what to do. It's not even a subtle change, he is straight out stating this.

Its a bit of a contradiction. And I think it hurts us. Because you are no longer negotiating a "rental" type of package. If you deal for melo your dealing for him under contract. If the extension is more important than free agency, kind of throws our position in the situation out.

Meaning his #1 priority is that 20 million a year. Meaning he really does not want to become a free agent. Meaning we might have to gut the team because Denver holds the power of the extension.

Thats just my take on it. I would not hold so much weight in it had he not said it himself. He could say NY only. But Denver can turn around to NY and demand the farm. The key in all of this is if we dont trade for him this season we can sign him. Well, if the extension is THAT important there will be no free agency after all.

Just feels like he pulled the rug out from under us. We are all on equal playing fields until he says he will not sign with that team. Denver can run game game all day all night now.

This.

I get the sense that Melo made the comments cause he's frustrated that NY hasn't made a move yet, and I'm sure Denver's management is feeding him crap like "NY isn't putting up a competitive package" or other such nonsense.

I think Melo made the comments to pressure NY into ponying up and getting a deal done, when in reality, all he did was give Denver more leverage into making a trade with NJ or some other team.

Once that NJ deal is agreed to, and NJ talks with Melo, then we'll see if he's for real. Based on the way he backtracked from "extension is my priority," to "we'll see when the time comes" makes me think he'd still reject a NJ extension.

[towelie]

He is made it twice. When he was here last weekend, he said that his extension would be the first thing taken care of in a trade by trade deadline. I've been wary ever since, it's a big change from his statement at the beginning of the season that he would wait until the offseason to decide what to do. It's not even a subtle change, he is straight out stating this.

Its a bit of a contradiction. And I think it hurts us. Because you are no longer negotiating a "rental" type of package. If you deal for melo your dealing for him under contract. If the extension is more important than free agency, kind of throws our position in the situation out.

Meaning his #1 priority is that 20 million a year. Meaning he really does not want to become a free agent. Meaning we might have to gut the team because Denver holds the power of the extension.

Thats just my take on it. I would not hold so much weight in it had he not said it himself. He could say NY only. But Denver can turn around to NY and demand the farm. The key in all of this is if we dont trade for him this season we can sign him. Well, if the extension is THAT important there will be no free agency after all.

Just feels like he pulled the rug out from under us. We are all on equal playing fields until he says he will not sign with that team. Denver can run game game all day all night now.

I am with you 100%. He pulled the rug out from under us is my opinion. Even if this was his ultimate goal, if he just remained quiet, we could still have some leverage, now it's gone. That's why I am now ready to make a final offer and move on if it's not received well. There are still things that we can do to get this team better, including the continued improvement of our youth.

I'm sure we've had our "final" offer on the table for a long time, and from all reports, we're not budging when it comes to adding Fields. Maybe the final "final" offer would include a swap of 'Buike and Harrington's contracts.

Really, the ball is in Melo's court cause if he's willing to accept an extension in NJ, then there's nothing we can do about it. NJ has the better offer.

We'll know if/when he has his meeting with Prokhorov/Jay-Z. My worry is that those two might be able to put enough of a spin job on the Nets and their future.

[delvec19]

delvec19 @nuggetsnews What % would you give the Nuggets for eventually trading Carmelo to the Knicks?

nuggetsnews Benjamin Hochman
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@delvec19 it's tough to gauge now... right now, it's all about trying to get melo to want to go to nj..hes on the fence, it seems

[Jay10]

delvec19 @nuggetsnews What % would you give the Nuggets for eventually trading Carmelo to the Knicks?

nuggetsnews Benjamin Hochman
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@delvec19 it's tough to gauge now... right now, it's all about trying to get melo to want to go to nj..hes on the fence, it seems

lol@ everyone forcing the melo to the nets story

[Twisted]

So that's the situation, huh? I guess it makes sense. It all comes down to Melo.

He better make a decision soon.

[Sideline Story]

Let's not be too quick to judge.

It would take a thousand moons to all collide in NY at once for him to even consider NJ, regardless of the money on the table. I don't know about you guys, but I have a gut feeling 'Melo not only wants to win, but win where it matters most. What better place than the Garden?

[BBALLER4FR]

I think I've figured out this fiasco and why all parties are positioned as is.

The Nuggets - They know where Melo wants to go, but they want top dollar for him. They understand no team will give up real value to rent him but they will use the Nets, who are clearly balking knowing Melo will not resign with them, to drive up the value from a team willing to rent him in pursuit of a playoff birth. They are likely in search of some combination of picks, cap, expiring and youth from a team with and abundance (SAC/LAC/Minny). No takers have emerged.

The Nets - They realize they have little to no shot at Melo with their previous record, lack of draw and up-in-the-air status so at this point they are happy to play spoiler. Melo doesn't seem to want to be there and this would be horrible going forward for Medvedev (or whatever his name is) to have the crosstown rival snatch up 2 big names before they even get one. They've talked a good game and came out of the offseason with Farmar, Outlaw and, to date, a 9 win record. Until further notice this is about damage control and they are more than happy to play their part in this little dance. They can use their assets elsewhere at anytime (who wouldn't want picks and expirings) but for now those pieces are being used to block. This brings us to...

Melo - Melo doesn't want to sign with the Nets and I'm sure he's told management that, hence that AMAZING deal NJ has hasn't resulted in Melo in a Nets jersey. Melo is remaining quiet allowing the Nuggets and NJ to play their kabuki. He'll allow the Nets to try to manufacture a false base value to please the Nuggets organization. He won't get in the middle of this with the understanding being if the trade deadline comes and no palatable "rental" offers emerge they'll give Melo his S&T to NY for the deal NY has on the table, which is probably not as much as many here realize (think Curry/Azabukie/Chandler/a pick).

Now I'm probably way off on this but looking at the landscape this is the best way to describe what's going on. At least that's what we can hope for.

[towelie]

I think I've figured out this fiasco and why all parties are positioned as is.

The Nuggets - They know where Melo wants to go, but they want top dollar for him. They understand no team will give up real value to rent him but they will use the Nets, who are clearly balking knowing Melo will not resign with them, to drive up the value from a team willing to rent him in pursuit of a playoff birth. They are likely in search of some combination of picks, cap, expiring and youth from a team with and abundance (SAC/LAC/Minny). No takers have emerged.

The Nets - They realize they have little to no shot at Melo with their previous record, lack of draw and up-in-the-air status so at this point they are happy to play spoiler. Melo doesn't seem to want to be there and this would be horrible going forward for Medvedev (or whatever his name is) to have the crosstown rival snatch up 2 big names before they even get one. They've talked a good game and came out of the offseason with Farmar, Outlaw and, to date, a 9 win record. Until further notice this is about damage control and they are more than happy to play their part in this little dance. They can use their assets elsewhere at anytime (who wouldn't want picks and expirings) but for now those pieces are being used to block. This brings us to...

Melo - Melo doesn't want to sign with the Nets and I'm sure he's told management that, hence that AMAZING deal NJ has hasn't resulted in Melo in a Nets jersey. Melo is remaining quiet allowing the Nuggets and NJ to play their kabuki. He'll allow the Nets to try to manufacture a false base value to please the Nuggets organization. He won't get in the middle of this with the understanding being if the trade deadline comes and no palatable "rental" offers emerge they'll give Melo his S&T to NY for the deal NY has on the table, which is probably not as much as many here realize (think Curry/Azabukie/Chandler/a pick).

Now I'm probably way off on this but looking at the landscape this is the best way to describe what's going on. At least that's what we can hope for.

Only part I disagree with is your Melo assessment. I think he made his recent comments about the extension because he's getting antsy and wants NY to ante up. What he fails to realize is that if he wants that NY deal to go down now instead of the deadline, he should be making these comments instead: "I ain't going to NJ, I'm only going to NY." Which is what he told close associates supposedly (after the Nuggets-Knicks game), but he hasn't communicated as much to the Nuggets' FO.

He's like a chick who's enjoying the attention, but if he wants our love, he needs to state his love for us and stop leading the Nets on like some pathetic bachelor. Just flat out tell the Nuggets you're only signing with us, Melo, and you'll be a Knick within the week.

[BBALLER4FR]

I think I've figured out this fiasco and why all parties are positioned as is.

The Nuggets - They know where Melo wants to go, but they want top dollar for him. They understand no team will give up real value to rent him but they will use the Nets, who are clearly balking knowing Melo will not resign with them, to drive up the value from a team willing to rent him in pursuit of a playoff birth. They are likely in search of some combination of picks, cap, expiring and youth from a team with and abundance (SAC/LAC/Minny). No takers have emerged.

The Nets - They realize they have little to no shot at Melo with their previous record, lack of draw and up-in-the-air status so at this point they are happy to play spoiler. Melo doesn't seem to want to be there and this would be horrible going forward for Medvedev (or whatever his name is) to have the crosstown rival snatch up 2 big names before they even get one. They've talked a good game and came out of the offseason with Farmar, Outlaw and, to date, a 9 win record. Until further notice this is about damage control and they are more than happy to play their part in this little dance. They can use their assets elsewhere at anytime (who wouldn't want picks and expirings) but for now those pieces are being used to block. This brings us to...

Melo - Melo doesn't want to sign with the Nets and I'm sure he's told management that, hence that AMAZING deal NJ has hasn't resulted in Melo in a Nets jersey. Melo is remaining quiet allowing the Nuggets and NJ to play their kabuki. He'll allow the Nets to try to manufacture a false base value to please the Nuggets organization. He won't get in the middle of this with the understanding being if the trade deadline comes and no palatable "rental" offers emerge they'll give Melo his S&T to NY for the deal NY has on the table, which is probably not as much as many here realize (think Curry/Azabukie/Chandler/a pick).

Now I'm probably way off on this but looking at the landscape this is the best way to describe what's going on. At least that's what we can hope for.

Only part I disagree with is your Melo assessment. I think he made his recent comments about the extension because he's getting antsy and wants NY to ante up. What he fails to realize is that if he wants that NY deal to go down now instead of the deadline, he should be making these comments instead: "I ain't going to NJ, I'm only going to NY." Which is what he told close associates supposedly (after the Nuggets-Knicks game), but he hasn't communicated as much to the Nuggets' FO.

He's like a chick who's enjoying the attention, but if he wants our love, he needs to state his love for us and stop leading the Nets on like some pathetic bachelor. Just flat out tell the Nuggets you're only signing with us, Melo, and you'll be a Knick within the week.

I'm not so sure. If this is between Melo, the Nuggets, the Nets and anyone else who can trump NJ's offer than at currently NY is not in the equation. The only way NY can be in the equation is when Nuggets management is done playing this game and they are set with what offers have been presented. Remember Denver doesn't even want to deal with us as far as Melo is can say all of our offers are "junk".

[louieOrr]

The Nyets want to drive the price up for the Knicks in a Melo trade as much as they can.The more assets we loose...the better it is for them in their asinine quest to take over NY

[GONYK]

Can anyone fill me in on why you guys are freaking out? Melo did not say ANYTHING new or anything that would lead to the belief that he is no longer willing to go to FA or that he will sign with the Nets.

All he said is that he will sign the extension to the team he is traded to. He still dictates which team that is.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Can anyone fill me in on why you guys are freaking out? Melo did not say ANYTHING new or anything that would lead to the belief that he is no longer willing to go to FA or that he will sign with the Nets.

All he said is that he will sign the extension to the team he is traded to. He still dictates which team that is.

Preach!