Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe

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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#201 » by yongaz » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:11 am

Andrewchos wrote:There were about 10-12 people in this Thread that had the exact same opinion that I shared and posted it, so why exactly do you single me out? is it because your immature and just dont like me? Yea im pretty sure thats why.


Reading comprehension.

But whatever rocks your boat dude.


Also, I'll admit this isn't the first time I called you out. See viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1071349&start=75

yongaz wrote:
nonemus wrote:I don't see why 90% of Lakers fans posts in Kobe threads are now about Andrewchos. Even if his opinions are at times stupid, at least he backs them up with reasoning. Just because he disagrees with you vehemently, no reason to personally attack him. Heck, a lot of the time I disagree with him, but calling his anti-Kobe bias and using that as a leverage to win an argument is stupid, especially considering the pro-Kobe bias of Lakers fans.

And within the echelon of Basketball terminology "Peak" is a season, not just a couple of games.

All that being said, I can see no argument for Drexler being better. He had 2.5 seasons which are statistically comparable to Kobe's, and even within those parameters, he falls short.


I don't have a problem with haters... they'll always be there. I don't have a problem with stupid opinions either, because people are entitled to their stupid opinions. I'm a Laker fan first, Kobe fan second, which means I'll of course open up any Laker / Kobe related threads.

The problem with Andrewscho is not so much of his anti-Kobe bias; it's the fact that he continually says that he 'doesn't dislike Kobe' and unlike the rest of us Kobe homers, views the game subjectively and objectively with 'no bias whatsover'. At least with guys like J23F, whom I find quite the arrogant sob at times, can be man enough and admit his dislike for Kobe. As a matter of fact, I actually respect him (in spite of me trying to rile him up and poking fun at him) and enjoy reading most of his posts.

However andrewchos continues to make claims of unbiasedness and all that and lump all Laker fans, or essentially anyone who argues for Kobe as a homer; of course I'm going to call him out. Sure I admit that none of my posts to him has any substance, but all he does is make a Kobe thread unreadable, especially since he brings out the worst in the homers as well. I've participated in plenty of meaningful discussion here even with Kobe haters, but when someone is clearly arguing on the lulz level, then I'll match that.

There are some clear homers here as well, and they're also lulz worthy, but in any case, I stand by what I've said - andrewchos is a great source of amusement. It's like watching a train wreck, or maybe that monkey that pees into his own mouth ... you're like wtf LOL that's gross but you can't look away... which is why I spent minutes typing this post up and contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Ah such is life. :beer:



EDIT: to include one of my posts from another thread on why I called him out.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#202 » by Andrewchos » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:17 am

People who think Shaq/Wade would be better.

Me/Jaypo/Chosen01/King James
People who think it would be a wash : TheReal3

KING JAMES1978 wrote:Shaq won with Wade and he wasn't at his prime..
Prime Shaq with Wade=scary.
Also Wade is better teammate than Kobe.
Shaq/Wade.Proven duo and Shaq not at his prime!


I mean I disagree that prime Wade was equal to Kobe, but I think we can agree that prime Wade and prime Kobe are close, and it looks like we agree that prime Duncan and prime Shaq are close. So the overall matchup should be close as well. I just think Duncan/Kobe is slightly better, and you think Shaq/Wade is slightly better. To each his own I guess.


Shaq/Wade is a proven commodity that dominated the league for two years despite Shaq being out of his Prime and Wade just entering his, Kobe/Duncan sounds great on paper but it never happened and to assume Duncan wouldn't have any issues with a "unique" guard like Kobe is quite farfetched.

As you can see im not the only one who shared that opinion buddy.

10 was an exaggeration but there are a solid 5 people who don't believe Duncan/Kobe would be significantly better and 4 of us would straight out pick Shaq/Wade over that duo.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#203 » by yongaz » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:20 am

Andrewchos wrote:People who think Shaq/Wade would be better.

Me/Jaypo/Chosen01/King James
People who think it would be a wash : TheReal3

KING JAMES1978 wrote:Shaq won with Wade and he wasn't at his prime..
Prime Shaq with Wade=scary.
Also Wade is better teammate than Kobe.
Shaq/Wade.Proven duo and Shaq not at his prime!


I mean I disagree that prime Wade was equal to Kobe, but I think we can agree that prime Wade and prime Kobe are close, and it looks like we agree that prime Duncan and prime Shaq are close. So the overall matchup should be close as well. I just think Duncan/Kobe is slightly better, and you think Shaq/Wade is slightly better. To each his own I guess.


As you can see im not the only one who shared that opinion buddy.

10 was an exaggeration but there are a solid 5 people who don't believe Duncan/Kobe would be significantly better and 4 of us would straight out pick Shaq/Wade over that duo.


See previous post. I'm done here.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#204 » by Andrewchos » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:25 am

yongaz wrote:
See previous post. I'm done here.


No thanks, I don't waste my time reading immature rants & gibberish. Glad you posted that though it shows how other members noticed your strange obsession with me and called you out for it.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#205 » by yongaz » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:28 am

Andrewchos wrote:
yongaz wrote:
See previous post. I'm done here.


No thanks, I don't waste my time reading immature rants & gibberish. Glad you posted that though it shows how other members noticed your strange obsession with me and called you out for it.


:lol:

LOL urggh it's like a train wreck I can't look away!
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#206 » by The_Purple_Tape » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:32 am

Edit: I accidently posted a yongaz quote there, I'm not talking to him. I'm talking to andrewchos.

People aren't mad at you because they are obsessed with you it is because
you post totally opinion based evidence and play it off as fact, that you ignore counter arguments, that you edit out any evidence of you contradicting yourself, that you have an irritating super anti-kobe bias that ruins every thread about him, that you don't acknowledge that bias, that you inject kobe's name into unrelated threads to try and turn them into pissing contests and lastly that every time someone calls you out for your **** you play the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) "every is a kobe fanboy" angle.

Honestly it would be easy to ignore if you didn't go into every threads that is vaguely kobe related and derail it.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#207 » by Andrewchos » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:35 am

I don't derail any Kobe threads by injecting a fair, logical, and subjective opinion into them.

If certain Kobe fans cant handle subjective opinions and end up going on long immature rants that derail the threads instead of just having a normal conversation that's not my fault.

If you want to just go back and forth with fellow LA fan's about how amazing Kobe is and how he's the best player ever the Laker board is thataway ----->
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#208 » by The_Purple_Tape » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:37 am

Andrewchos wrote:I don't derail any Kobe threads by injecting a fair, logical, subjective opinion into them,


That is correct, you derail them with banal baiting posts.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#209 » by Andrewchos » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:38 am

lol right, because anyone who doesn't choose Bryant in a comparison thread is just trying to bait everyone else... :)

I'm done talking with you, I have you on my ignore list for a reason.

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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#210 » by Father Time » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:41 am

Andrewchos wrote:lol right, because anyone who doesn't choose Bryant in a comparison thread is just trying to bait everyone else... :)


Dude... you're not subjective at all. That's like saying jaypo, a known Shaq fan, is objective when in reality he is biased in favor of Shaq.

Nothing wrong with admitting bias. I'm a Kobe fan, and realize that I'm prone to bias when discussing him.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#211 » by Andrewchos » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:43 am

How am I not subjective? What did I say that made no sense to you or seemed ridiculous. If you want to have a normal conversation with me and explain why something I said in this or another thread didnt make sense to you please let me know and Ill explain why I said it.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#212 » by The_Purple_Tape » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:45 am

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because that isn't baiting or derailing at all...
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#213 » by Father Time » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:46 am

Andrewchos wrote:How am I not subjective? What did I say that made no sense to you or seemed ridiculous. If you want to have a normal conversation with me and explain why something I said in this or another thread didnt make sense to you please let me know and Ill explain why I said it.


It seems like you regularly attack Kobe's massive ego while ignoring Shaq's equally massive ego/immaturity. That's a product of bias, and is NOT objective.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#214 » by Andrewchos » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:49 am

The_Purple_Tape wrote:http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/2889/andrewchos.png

because that isn't baiting or derailing at all...


Prime Drexler is one of the greatest SG's of all time, how is that baiting or derailing? Exactly its neither, if you never watched Clyde or are a Homer that may offend you but anyone who knows the history of the game knows that comparison is far from an insult to either player.

I didn't intend for the thread to be Kobe related only to put into perspective just how good Clyde was in his Prime Years. No one else in the thread even mentioned it, so obviously it didn't bait anyone.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#215 » by The_Purple_Tape » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:53 am

I thought you were done with me? I thought I was on your ignore list.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#216 » by Andrewchos » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:54 am

Good point, I shouldn't have responded.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#217 » by yongaz » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:23 am

LOL.

Seriously, everyone just needs to ignore him but silently enjoy his obtuseness and we can go back to having readable Kobe / Shaq threads.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#218 » by Father Time » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:32 am

yongaz wrote:LOL.

Seriously, everyone just needs to ignore him but silently enjoy his obtuseness and we can go back to having readable Kobe / Shaq threads.
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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#219 » by Andrewchos » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:36 am

You realize its you same 3-5 "overzealous" Laker Fan's who ruin most Kobe threads right?
I love the idea of you guys ignoring me though, please follow through on that one. :thumbsup:

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Re: Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe 

Post#220 » by Asianiac_24 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:56 am

Andrewchos wrote:Yea after they both flamed me for saying Shaq/Wade would be > Duncan/Kobe and called me a Troll I put them both on my ignore list and called them Ballboys. I never denied it.

You need to get a.... seriously. :)

No one is going to warn/suspend me for expressing my opinions especially when its clear they are logical and based on concrete evidence and 10-12 other posters agreed with me and posted the exact same opinions.

Just admit you have a personal beef with me because I dont love your "idol" Kobe and rate him subjectively like I would any other player I am not a personal fan of.


Please name the 10-12 other posters, I'd love to hear that

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