Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

[truth serum]

^Dude....you are completely delusional and in denial. It's clear as day. Melo doesn't want to be a Net and he won't be.

[bruddahmanmatt]

The obvious evidence is the fact that a trade with New Jersey hasn't happened yet. Denver is getting everything they want from New Jersey and then some and Prohorov is willing to do whatever it takes to get Carmelo. Both sides are coming out on top in their own minds and that's the perfect scenario for a trade, where each side feels that they have won. Thing is, everything still hinges on Anthony agreeing to an extension with the Nets. If Denver likes the deal and New Jersey likes the deal then why hasn't it happened yet? Because it hinges on Carmelo and HE doesn't like the deal and because HE doesn't want to play in New Jersey. If he was ok with playing for a team other than New York, this deal would have been done a long time ago.

Please show me quoted evidence of Carmelo saying he has a problem being traded and signing an extension with New Jersey. I don't think this trade not happening yet is because of Carmelo. I think it's because of Denver management. They have been extremely greedy in this process despite the fact the Nets have offered more for a soon-to-be free agent than anybody I can remember in recent times. I don't necessarily blame them because they will be in full rebuilding process after Carmelo is gone, but Denver is truly showing how amateur their GM of one year and 30 year old owner actually are. And yet Denver still wants more first round draft picks and to pick up Harrington's albatross of a contract. Make no mistake about it, Denver's management is the primary reason why this deal has yet to go through.

Chris Broussard tweets, "NJ's changed parameters of deal several times but nothing to Den's liking yet. NJ leaving for 4-game road trip tomorrow & all players going." The impediment, according to Broussard and others, concerns Al Harrington, who the Nuggets want moved. The Nets would prefer the Nuggets drop the demand but are still looking for a fourth team to bring into the deal. There's also Denver's demand that another first round pick be involved.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/1/10/1927783/optimism-fades-as-denver-rejects-nets-offers

^Dude....you are completely delusional and in denial. It's clear as day. Melo doesn't want to be a Net and he won't be.

^What he said.

Again, New Jersey is more than willing to give Denver everything they want in a proposed trade for Anthony and still come away happy. Perfect trades consist of all parties involved feeling like they come out better on the other end of the deal and both Denver and New Jersey feel like they're getting what they want. The holdup is on Carmelo not wanting to sign an extension with the Nets. Obvious is obvious.

[TDevilsG]

^Dude....you are completely delusional and in denial. It's clear as day. Melo doesn't want to be a Net and he won't be.

You have yet to give me a specific quote saying Carmelo doesn't want to come here. He has already stated that he doesn't want to play for multiple other teams. He has yet to state that for the Nets. Until he does, I see no reason to believe that things are as "clear as day" as you seem to think they are. Furthermore, I think people can easily put the spin on this trade by saying Carmelo doesn't want to come to the Nets when in reality it could be Denver's management being reluctant to trade their franchise player for nothing except exactly what they want. Either way, it's presented as somebody on Denver's side holding the trade up, regardless of what the truth of the hold up might actually be.

Did you not read my quote? *sigh*

Chris Broussard tweets, "NJ's changed parameters of deal several times but nothing to Den's liking yet. NJ leaving for 4-game road trip tomorrow & all players going." The impediment, according to Broussard and others, concerns Al Harrington, who the Nuggets want moved. The Nets would prefer the Nuggets drop the demand but are still looking for a fourth team to bring into the deal. There's also Denver's demand that another first round pick be involved.

both Broussard and Woj have discussed this point. Two different, reliable sources. Check out Woj's tweet:

One GM on Kroenke-Ujiri: "From a purely negotiation standpoint, I think they're doing a pretty good job of keeping everyone off balance."

Does that sound to you like "both Denver and New Jersey feel like they're getting what they want" ? Because it sounds to me like Kroenke-Ujiri isn't pleased with whatever he's been offered regardless of how substantial it might be. As it stands, Denver is getting significantly more than any soon to be free agent that I can remember.

[bruddahmanmatt]

^Dude....you are completely delusional and in denial. It's clear as day. Melo doesn't want to be a Net and he won't be.

I tend to argue my case with facts, quotes, and links. You have yet to give me a specific quote saying Carmelo doesn't want to come here. He has already stated that he doesn't want to play for multiple other teams. He has yet to state that for the Nets. Until he does, I see no reason to believe that things are as "clear as day" as you seem to think they are.

Well you're not going to find a statement where he says "F New Jersey, I ain't going there". Doing so would put Denver in an even worse position than they're already in as far as leverage with the Knicks is concerned. The Nuggets FO probably asked Anthony to just not say anything at all while they attempt to get New York to overpay for Carmelo just as New Jersey is willing to overpay for him.

And BTW, talking about using "facts" and then going on to quote Broussard is an oxymoron.

[nykinoz]

From our board:

[AllBall]

tampering tampering tampering.

but it the knicks, so stern will let it fly.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q94

Stern already said he can't do anything about players talking to each other...so it's technically not tampering.

Wait wait wait. If that's the case why in the HELL did we get 100 page thread on the Miami Heat aligning the big 3 together?

Double standard?

lol, this board

[GaNGsTaRr93]

Troy Murphy isnt traveling with NJ?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Troy Murphy isnt traveling with NJ?

And AR was out yesterday with "flu like symptoms"...I could have sworn that I read Avery saying that there would be no trades on the road trip.

[corona]

Well you're not going to find a statement where he says "F New Jersey, I ain't going there". Doing so would put Denver in an even worse position than they're already in as far as leverage with the Knicks is concerned. The Nuggets FO probably asked Anthony to just not say anything at all while they attempt to get New York to overpay for Carmelo just as New Jersey is willing to overpay for him.

And BTW, talking about using "facts" and then going on to quote Broussard is an oxymoron.

why would carmelo want new york to overpay for him?
if he's looking out for his interests, which he should.....he should want new york to give back as few assets as possible. the more they give, the weaker team they are, the harder it is for future melo to win.

so it doesn't make sense at all for him to be mum about NJ and play it off like he could go there. especially after he's reportedly been upfront about saying no to charlotte.

makes far more sense for melo to tell his agent that he wants new york, period. and for the nuggets to work out that trade or lose him like cleveland/toronto lost bosh/bron. but virtually every legit report we've heard has rose trying to get suitable deals to the nets, the nets acting under assumption that melo would extend with them before being traded, and denver trying to work with NJ to get fair value. it doesn't make any sense if melo's at all not open to go there. and again, it doesn't make any sense for melo and his agent to dupe the knicks into overpaying denver for him.

so until a trade is really put on the table and melo outright turns down new jersey, then i'll continue to act under the assumption that it's an option.

[corona]

Troy Murphy isnt traveling with NJ?

denvers not making a trade the day before/of a game against the heat, with a packed arena.

probably friday/this weekend before anything else pops up.

[J Smitty]

Well you're not going to find a statement where he says "F New Jersey, I ain't going there". Doing so would put Denver in an even worse position than they're already in as far as leverage with the Knicks is concerned. The Nuggets FO probably asked Anthony to just not say anything at all while they attempt to get New York to overpay for Carmelo just as New Jersey is willing to overpay for him.

And BTW, talking about using "facts" and then going on to quote Broussard is an oxymoron.

why would carmelo want new york to overpay for him?
if he's looking out for his interests, which he should.....he should want new york to give back as few assets as possible. the more they give, the weaker team they are, the harder it is for future melo to win.

so it doesn't make sense at all for him to be mum about NJ and play it off like he could go there. especially after he's reportedly been upfront about saying no to charlotte.

makes far more sense for melo to tell his agent that he wants new york, period. and for the nuggets to work out that trade or lose him like cleveland/toronto lost bosh/bron. but virtually every legit report we've heard has rose trying to get suitable deals to the nets. it doesn't make any sense if melo's at all not open to go there. and again, it doesn't make any sense for melo and his agent to dupe the knicks into overpaying denver for him.

so until a trade is really put on the table and melo outright turns down new jersey, then i'll continue to act under the assumption that it's an option.

Perfectly said.

[bruddahmanmatt]

Well you're not going to find a statement where he says "F New Jersey, I ain't going there". Doing so would put Denver in an even worse position than they're already in as far as leverage with the Knicks is concerned. The Nuggets FO probably asked Anthony to just not say anything at all while they attempt to get New York to overpay for Carmelo just as New Jersey is willing to overpay for him.

And BTW, talking about using "facts" and then going on to quote Broussard is an oxymoron.

why would carmelo want new york to overpay for him?
if he's looking out for his interests, which he should.....he should want new york to give back as few assets as possible. the more they give, the weaker team they are, the harder it is for future melo to win.

so it doesn't make sense at all for him to be mum about NJ and play it off like he could go there. especially after he's reportedly been upfront about saying no to charlotte.

makes far more sense for melo to tell his agent that he wants new york, period. and for the nuggets to work out that trade or lose him like cleveland/toronto lost bosh/bron. but virtually every legit report we've heard has rose trying to get suitable deals to the nets, the nets acting under assumption that melo would extend with them before being traded, and denver trying to work with NJ to get fair value. it doesn't make any sense if melo's at all not open to go there. and again, it doesn't make any sense for melo and his agent to dupe the knicks into overpaying denver for him.

so until a trade is really put on the table and melo outright turns down new jersey, then i'll continue to act under the assumption that it's an option.

Jesus, are you really that blind AND that thick? I said DENVER, DENVER wants New York to overpay for Carmelo, NOT CARMELO. Clearly it's in Anthony's best interest for the Knicks to spend as little as possible in order for them to obtain him so that he doesn't end up playing for team that just gut their roster to acquire him.

As far as New Jersey being an option, yes, it's still an option as the deadline approaches. This is likely why even though all signs point to him not wanting to go there, Anthony has remained mum on the subject on the Nets. Just in case New York doesn't look like it's going to work, it's better that Melo at least have the option of New Jersey. Plus as I stated earlier, it'll only hinder Denver in trying to move Carmelo if Anthony states publicly that he doesn't want the Nets.

The thing is, Denver and New Jersey (in their respective minds) both win with the recently proposed Melo trade. When you have two sides that see themselves as the ones coming out better after a trade, a deal is made. Detroit also wins out because they shed Rip's money. It MUST be some outside factor preventing the deal from going through and that factor is Carmelo still refusing (at this point) to sign an extension with the Nets.

[cb1115]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Sources: proposed NJ-Den-Det deal "not dead, but dormant." that means part 1 (reaching agreement). Part 2 (Melo signing) still a longshot

[corona]

Jesus, are you really that blind AND that thick? DENVER, DENVER wants New York to overpay for Carmelo, NOT CARMELO. Clearly it's in Anthony's best interest for the Knicks to spend as little as possible in order for them to obtain him so that he doesn't end up playing for team that just gut their roster to acquire him

so why are melo and caa playing it off like new jersey's an option? why not just say "new jersey doesn't interest me"....like they said to michael jordan about charlotte?

[Blackmun]

You have yet to give me a specific quote saying Carmelo doesn't want to come here.

He can't do that, that would be tampering.

He has already stated that he doesn't want to play for multiple other teams

No he hasn't.

so why are melo and caa playing it off like new jersey's an option? why not just say "new jersey doesn't interest me"....like they said to michael jordan about charlotte?

Ever tried to negotiate with a potential client/partner/employer that knows he is your only option? That doesn't work very well...

It's be like walking into a auto shop, screaming "Holy crap, I'm totally getting that car!" and then asking the sales man for a discount. Ain't gonna happen.

[corona]

Ever tried to negotiate with a potential client/partner/employer that knows he is your only option? That doesn't work very well...

It's be like walking into a auto shop, screaming "Holy crap, I'm totally getting that car!" and then asking the sales man for a discount. Ain't gonna happen.

except in your example....carmelo's the car...aka, the asset that's trading hands.

the car doesn't care what it's bought/sold for. it just wants out of the showroom.

[bruddahmanmatt]

Jesus, are you really that blind AND that thick? DENVER, DENVER wants New York to overpay for Carmelo, NOT CARMELO. Clearly it's in Anthony's best interest for the Knicks to spend as little as possible in order for them to obtain him so that he doesn't end up playing for team that just gut their roster to acquire him

so why are melo and caa playing it off like new jersey's an option? why not just say "new jersey doesn't interest me"....like they said to michael jordan about charlotte?

Because if it becomes apparent that the Knicks are not willing to overpay for Carmelo (which it looks like they're not) and Anthony eventually decides that rolling the dice on free agency and a new CBA this summer aren't worth the gamble (in terms of potential lost salary), New Jersey gives them an out. If they come out and state "Knicks or no deal" they back themselves into a corner. Then it becomes a game of chicken between Anthony and the Denver FO in an attempt to see who blinks first. Does Denver deal Anthony to his preferred destination in New York rather than risk not getting anything for him next summer, or does Anthony say "F it, I'll take the money" and extend wherever the Nuggets eventually decide to send him? At least right now he's on "ok" terms with New Jersey. Thing is, if he closes that door, he closes his best second option after the Knicks. If he were to come out and say something that ended up shutting down talks with the Nets, Denver would be looking to the next highest bidder at that point which could be even WORSE than New Jersey and thus even worse for Carmelo.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

so why are melo and caa playing it off like new jersey's an option? why not just say "new jersey doesn't interest me"....like they said to michael jordan about charlotte?

Ever tried to negotiate with a potential client/partner/employer that knows he is your only option? That doesn't work very well...

It's be like walking into a auto shop, screaming "Holy crap, I'm totally getting that car!" and then asking the sales man for a discount. Ain't gonna happen.

That doesn't even make any sense.

How does that relate to Melo and CAA? If Melo only wants NY, there is no point in negotiating with NJ. It does them zero good and could only make NY give up more, making the NY team worse.

[Jetset]

You have yet to give me a specific quote saying Carmelo doesn't want to come here. He has already stated that he doesn't want to play for multiple other teams. He has yet to state that for the Nets.

The only thing Melo has done is stated that he doesn't know if he will sign the extension with NJ. I can assure you if DEN was dealing with NYK he'd sign in a heartbeat, considering he's already expressed that he wouldn't mind playing in NY.

With that said, this trade doesn't get done unless Melo is going to NY. The more you read into it the more it seems that the reason he won't sign an extension is because he doesn't want to end up in NJ. There really isn't any other reason for him not to sign. Either Denver trades him to the Knicks or they can look forward to gettting swept 112-57 by the Lakers.

[corona]

Because if it becomes apparent that the Knicks are not willing to overpay for Carmelo (which it looks like they're not) and Anthony eventually decides that rolling the dice on free agency and a new CBA this summer aren't worth the gamble (in terms of potential lost salary), New Jersey gives them an out. If they come out and state "Knicks or no deal" they back themselves into a corner. Then it becomes a game of chicken between Anthony and the Denver FO in an attempt to see who blinks first. Does Denver deal Anthony to his preferred destination in New York rather than risk not getting anything for him next summer, or does Anthony say "F it, I'll take the money" and extend wherever the Nuggets eventually decide to send him? At least right now he's on "ok" terms with New Jersey. Thing is, if he closes that door, he closes his best second option after the Knicks.

that makes perfect sense.

but it also means odds are carmelo will end up in new jersey for that package that's been discussed, because denver's closed the door with the knicks and by all indications is playing hardball with melo in terms of making him choose....new jersey or free agency.

so i guess we wait until the trade deadline and see if melo cracks.

like i've said before, denver knows they'll be able to get a deal in a s&t with new york during the summer (or after cba's been figured out) close to what's being offered now because of the contract implications of chandler, and melo wanting more years/money from a s&t. so it does them almost no good to crack and trade with new york before the deadline. if they play hard ball and lose, they stand to lose at most a 2014 pick (those are regularly bought and sold for a couple million in expiring contracts) and the bird rights on wilson chandler. oh noes! if melo plays hard ball and loses, he and his agent stand to lose a large percentage of their (potentially) guaranteed earnings over the next 4 years.