[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[marcuz]

So If it's done, our starting lineup is

C: Amar'e
PF: Gallo
SF: Mello
SG: Fields
PG: Felton

or

C: Turiaf or Mozgov
PF: Amar'e
SF: Mello
SG: Fields
PG: Felton

?

Gallo would surely be a scoring punch off the bench and help our second unit? I can see us swinging a deal for Gallo and Buike or something after the Melo deal goes through

[cshoops]

What happens if Melo gets traded before the All Star game? Does he play for the East than?

i dont think so

He becomes an East Reserve and is replaced in the West. It was already discussed.

[Remember the Past]

Does someone on the east get kicked off? lol

[Twisted]

C: Turiaf or Mozgov
PF: Amar'e
SF: Mello
SG: Fields
PG: Felton

I'd like to go with this line-up, with Gallo coming off the bench. However, I doubt it would happen, since there wouldn't be enough long-range shooting on the floor to appease D'Antoni.

[cshoops]

Does someone on the east get kicked off? lol

The roster goes to 13 in East.

[TdoubleE]

Dont see this happening until right at the trade deadline. Gotta give it to Melo, he stuck to the plan and has backed Denver up against the wall with this one.

[Lottery Bound]

Once this trade goes down...

We can dangle Felton and Gallo for either CP3, Deron Williams or D. Howard in 2012.

[duetta]

So one down year by Melo and we all know its basically because of the trade rumors and him not playing 100% means he's not a top 10 player? Haha. I'm going to assume we're listing Love and Aldridge as better players than Melo as well.

Eh...no. It's two down years out of the last three, just for the record.

[Hitman33]

DIRK??? LOL no way

X1.... He's better than Dirk. He's better down low, Melo is a better rebounder (and he's a SF) and Melo is a better finisher.

He's more proven than Deron. He's top 10 for sure when you take everything into account.

Dirk is averaging 24 points on 53% from the field and he has been the best player on a team that has been to the finals, the conference finals 3 times and the semis a bunch of times.

Carmelo is averaging 24 points on 43% from the field and has been out of the first round once, and he wasn't even the leader of the team.

[Justdatdude]

So one down year by Melo and we all know its basically because of the trade rumors and him not playing 100% means he's not a top 10 player? Haha. I'm going to assume we're listing Love and Aldridge as better players than Melo as well.

Eh...no. It's two down years out of the last three, just for the record.

2 years out of the 3? Last year he wasn't a top 10 player? The year he broke his hand, had a elbow contusion, and sprained his wrist was in 08-09, the year he got to the WCF and many people considered him a top 5 player.

So lets leave it at this year. You don't like the guy and I can care less if you do, but he's a great player whether you like it or not.

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Be it 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10, everyone had Melo in the top 10 prior to this season where its obvious he's not playing 100%.

[Hitman33]

2 years out of the 3? Last year he wasn't a top 10 player? The year he broke his hand, had a elbow contusion, and sprained his wrist was in 08-09, the year he got to the WCF and many people considered him a top 5 player.

That is one of the most ridiculous comments ever. In 08-09, he averaged 22 points on 43% from the field and his usual shoddy half assed defense.

There is absolutely NOBODY who understood the NBA that considered him a "Top 5 player" in 08-09.

[Justdatdude]

2 years out of the 3? Last year he wasn't a top 10 player? The year he broke his hand, had a elbow contusion, and sprained his wrist was in 08-09, the year he got to the WCF and many people considered him a top 5 player.

That is one of the most ridiculous comments ever. In 08-09, he averaged 22 points on 43% from the field and his usual shoddy half assed defense.

There is absolutely NOBODY who understood the NBA that considered him a "Top 5 player" in 08-09.

Only people who don't understand basketball didn't consider Carmelo in the argument for top 5 after the playoffs.

[Hitman33]

2 years out of the 3? Last year he wasn't a top 10 player? The year he broke his hand, had a elbow contusion, and sprained his wrist was in 08-09, the year he got to the WCF and many people considered him a top 5 player.

That is one of the most ridiculous comments ever. In 08-09, he averaged 22 points on 43% from the field and his usual shoddy half assed defense.

There is absolutely NOBODY who understood the NBA that considered him a "Top 5 player" in 08-09.

Only people who don't understand basketball didn't consider Carmelo in the argument for top 5 after the playoffs.

He wasn't, and isn't, in the conversation for top 5 players in the NBA.

"In the conversation" means there is a legitimate argument to make about it.

There isn't.

[seren]

Haha. It would be really funny if this trade occurs. People have been claiming Melo would sign an extension because he wouldn't be able to pass on guaranteed money. If the trade occurs, it would be because Denver owner could not pass on guaranteed money in his pocket.

[TrueWarrior]

Im sure Melo will pick up his shooting here (at least he better) but its his passing that has me concerned the most.

Melo averages the same amount of turnovers as assists (3/3). Thats not good at all compared to his peers. In fact its the worst ratio out of Kobe, LeBron, Wade, JJ, Roy, Monta, Odom, Jax, Manu, Gasol, Dirk, Blake, Josh Smith, Hedo, Tmac, Pierce, Ray Allen, Prince, AK47, Duncan, Horford, Battier, Hill, and pretty much every other top level non PG passer by a good amount. Melo is just on par with guys like Granger, Gay, and Beasley in that area. Durant isnt a great passer either but hes such an efficient scorer, unlike Melo, that he makes up for it.

Couple Melo's passing with Amare's (negative A/T ratio) and who knows how the pair will do. Wed just have to hope they dont get doubled as much as a result and Felton steps up his floor general game to set them up. Right now our team is 23rd in AST% (a better stat than APG given our pace). We're not passing well at all, and Melo wont help much in that area. Hes not a blackhole but hes a turnover machine like Amare is.

Basically we're getting a mediocre at best playmaker and an inefficient scorer. Hey lets just hope hes having a down year though...

Listen I got my beef with Melo but with the rumored deal that way it is I would obviously take it and run. That offer is like the 1st scene in the Dark Knight. We just better make it work. I would feel better about Melo if he was a better passer though, especially since Amare and Felton arent the greatest ones themselves, but oh well.

[duetta]

2 years out of the 3? Last year he wasn't a top 10 player? The year he broke his hand, had a elbow contusion, and sprained his wrist was in 08-09, the year he got to the WCF and many people considered him a top 5 player.

Stop making excuses for a player who needs to step it up, big time, if he comes to New York. He has go to back to being the player he was when he was shooting 48% from the field. If he doesn't, he'll be booed and wish that he were back in the safe confines of Denver - and he'll deserve it.

The onus is on him to perform at a level approximating Lebron's - not on fans to buy into your groupie mindset.

[duetta]

Berman has Dolan pushing to get this deal done sooner rather than later - which means that Denver still has leverage.

Jimmy, pray tell, what's the Knicks's record since you bought the club? Could our miserable record be a coincidence? I doubt it.

The fish rots from the head down.

[Jmonty580]

Im sure Melo will pick up his shooting here (at least he better) but its his passing that has me concerned the most.

Melo averages the same amount of turnovers as assists (3/3). Thats not good at all compared to his peers. In fact its the worst ratio out of Kobe, LeBron, Wade, JJ, Roy, Monta, Odom, Jax, Manu, Gasol, Dirk, Blake, Josh Smith, Hedo, Tmac, Pierce, Ray Allen, Prince, AK47, Duncan, Horford, Battier, Hill, and pretty much every other top level non PG passer by a good amount. Melo is just on par with guys like Granger, Gay, and Beasley in that area. Durant isnt a great passer either but hes such an efficient scorer, unlike Melo, that he makes up for it.

Couple Melo's passing with Amare's (negative A/T ratio) and who knows how the pair will do. Wed just have to hope they dont get doubled as much as a result and Felton steps up his floor general game to set them up. Right now our team is 23rd in AST% (a better stat than APG given our pace). We're not passing well at all, and Melo wont help much in that area. Hes not a blackhole but hes a turnover machine like Amare is.

Basically we're getting a mediocre at best playmaker and an inefficient scorer. Hey lets just hope hes having a down year though...

Listen I got my beef with Melo but with the rumored deal that way it is I would obviously take it and run. That offer is like the 1st scene in the Dark Knight. We just better make it work. I would feel better about Melo if he was a better passer though, especially since Amare and Felton arent the greatest ones themselves, but oh well.

I think Melo is going to put alot of those concerns to bed when he gets here. The offense is going to change, and Felton is going to change how he runs the offense. There will be another learning curve, but this whole predictable offense we run with Felton and Amare will be out the window, especially since Amare isnt good at passing out of the double. I think we'll see alot of Felton bringing the ball up and Amare and Melo both drawing alot of attention. This will leave someone on our team wide open every play. OR the opposing team decides we'll just play everyone man to man, look for Melo to get way easier shot oppurtunities than he ever get in Denver and for Amare to get easier shots than he has gotten to date for the Knicks. look for our 3 point shots to be even more wide open. I think it can only improve our offense. Amare and Melo cant both be doubled at the same time, if we give the ball to one of them responsibly each time we'll see way less turnovers and higher percentage shots. just my opinion..

[TrueWarrior]

Im sure Melo will pick up his shooting here (at least he better) but its his passing that has me concerned the most.

Melo averages the same amount of turnovers as assists (3/3). Thats not good at all compared to his peers. In fact its the worst ratio out of Kobe, LeBron, Wade, JJ, Roy, Monta, Odom, Jax, Manu, Gasol, Dirk, Blake, Josh Smith, Hedo, Tmac, Pierce, Ray Allen, Prince, AK47, Duncan, Horford, Battier, Hill, and pretty much every other top level non PG passer by a good amount. Melo is just on par with guys like Granger, Gay, and Beasley in that area. Durant isnt a great passer either but hes such an efficient scorer, unlike Melo, that he makes up for it.

Couple Melo's passing with Amare's (negative A/T ratio) and who knows how the pair will do. Wed just have to hope they dont get doubled as much as a result and Felton steps up his floor general game to set them up. Right now our team is 23rd in AST% (a better stat than APG given our pace). We're not passing well at all, and Melo wont help much in that area. Hes not a blackhole but hes a turnover machine like Amare is.

Basically we're getting a mediocre at best playmaker and an inefficient scorer. Hey lets just hope hes having a down year though...

Listen I got my beef with Melo but with the rumored deal that way it is I would obviously take it and run. That offer is like the 1st scene in the Dark Knight. We just better make it work. I would feel better about Melo if he was a better passer though, especially since Amare and Felton arent the greatest ones themselves, but oh well.

I think Melo is going to put alot of those concerns to bed when he gets here. The offense is going to change, and Felton is going to change how he runs the offense. There will be another learning curve, but this whole predictable offense we run with Felton and Amare will be out the window, especially since Amare isnt good at passing out of the double. I think we'll see alot of Felton bringing the ball up and Amare and Melo both drawing alot of attention. This will leave someone on our team wide open every play. OR the opposing team decides we'll just play everyone man to man, look for Melo to get way easier shot oppurtunities than he ever get in Denver and for Amare to get easier shots than he has gotten to date for the Knicks. look for our 3 point shots to be even more wide open. I think it can only improve our offense. Amare and Melo cant both be doubled at the same time, if we give the ball to one of them responsibly each time we'll see way less turnovers and higher percentage shots. just my opinion..

I laid out ways the offense could be ran with Melo here earlier in this thread. Its easier said than done however with Melo, Amare, and Felton not being great passers.

Melo isnt a good passer out of the double either. Never has been.

Like I/you said though Dantoni would have to get creative. The less double teaming will obviously help with the turnovers a little bit but not enough.

Felton is going to have to up his passing the most. I can see him deferring a little more but hes still not a good PnR PG and his vision is mediocre.

As much as I love Fields I think we need more of a playmaker/passer/defender/shooter at SG if/when Melo arrives to help out. Have Gallo and Fields solidify our bench. Prob wont happen but Im not 100% on Fields as a long time SG. I still look at him as a SF in the Matt Barnes mold.

We'll see what happens though. Scoring talent wont be an issue thats for sure.

[seren]

Chandler still keeps them in playoff contention. They save 20 million dollars if they go under the tax. That is lots of cash. I say they do it.

I checked the proposed deal on trade machine. It works, but Denver needs to cut another million or so to go under the tax. I won't be surprised if the deal includes Al for Turiaf or even Al+Balkman for Turiaf+Mason. That would put them under the tax and cut long term cash. I am down with it.