[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[That Knicker]

What is more disturbing in the girl in the bikini photo? Her face or her feces.

[Slamm Goodbody]

#1 - A hard cap isn't coming. The cap has been working more or less consistently well as designed now. The biggest problems have been guaranteed contracts - look for that to be the negotiating point.

#2 - If they did institute a hard cap there would need to be correlating allowances to cut contracts in place because there would be teams over the hard cap right off the bat. The league would never pigeonhole a team's salary structure in the next CBA without giving them some flexibility to rework a set roster. We can work around the salary situation if something like that happens.

#3 - If you get a chance to add a player of Melo's caliber, you do it. He's an elite scorer and a genuine star. It's the same as when some people were cranking up about signing Amare because they thought he leaned on Nash to get where he was - don't hear too much from them half a season into having him anchor the team, are we? We should look for a center in the offseason to defend and rebound in the middle (Perkins? Gasol?), move Gallo to SG to make room in the front line for the new additions and that's your starting 5. Fields/Douglas/Williams/Turiaf whoever off the bench.

[Flaming Mo]

Mo, I am not saying that you don't need talent to win in the NBA. You NEED talent.

My alternative is not to sign "a bunch of average players."

My alternative is to take the Melo fanboy glasses off and address the teams true needs.

We have a small forward. He is 6'11" and he is 22 and he is averaging 16 points on the best TS% on the team & he is on his way to superstardom & anyone with two eyes can see that he has been basically unstoppable since he returned from his injury.

And he makes $3 million.

I'm a Gallo fan but saying his is on his way to superstardom is just speculation. I disagree when you say he was unstoppable. You put your entire franchise on the shoulders of him and his development which is not a given. With Melo we know what we get and he already is a superstar in this league. Atleast if we define the term superstar as a status that Gallo can reach.

Ok, so you would keep Gallo and of course Amare. Who else would you sign in the offseason to fill out the roster? Fields and Felton stay? There is nobody else who would make as big of an impact to take us from an average team to a contending team and this is the only goal. Amare wont be here forever and we better make sure we put a team out there that can win a championship while he is still in his prime. I think it is too much of a risk to hope for Gallo turn into a second version of Dirk...

Sorry, I see your point and I would love if we would be good enough without Melo, could keep Chandler and win it with homegrown talent. I just dont see it right now, maybe the rest of the season changes my mind but I just dont see it...

[dk7th]

How many stars do the Spurs have? How many stars did the Pistons have?

You win with a great TEAM.

yeah, kobe has never won a championship

solid argument.

but it's actually not.

bryant won with shaq who was a genuine franchise player who you can build a team around.

then when shaq left he brought a title to miami with help from the refs, who basically allowed wade to walk and carry the ball.

meanwhile bryant's lakers didn't do **** for years until they got gifted pau gasol.

they get demolished by the celtics, then they win a title against an overqualified and soft magic team who defeated an overrated cav team and who also defeated the celtics who were without garnett.

then the lakers win again because perkins went down with a knee injury in game 6. game 7 bryant shoots something like 5 for 24, but the lakers outrebound a perkins-less celtic squad to win game 7.

so yeah bryant has "won" titles, alright.... with one or two minor caveats.

[vallen]

How many stars do the Spurs have? How many stars did the Pistons have?

You win with a great TEAM.

Tim Duncan is a HOF, top ten of all time player. Parker and Ginobili are multiple all stars. The Pistons one year wasnt the norm. If you have two stars it doesnt mean that you cant surround them with a great team.

If you have stars its easy to fill the rest of the positions. Love what SA has done but getting lucky with Duncan was the ONE big reason why they are contending for 13 years.

Tim Duncan is not a superstar now and the Spurs are the best team in the league. How many stars do they have now?

People say that "stars" win, which is true, when you are talking about "Super-Dooper Stars"

Transcendent players like Kobe & MJ & Shaq the like, who are just way better than their peers,

tend to win in the NBA since it is a 5 on 5 league.

Carmelo is not a "star" like MJ or Kobe or Shaq. He is a volume scorer who has been out of the first round once in his life.

Do you think the Spurs are going to win a championship with this team ??

[Flaming Mo]

Melo would also keep the enthusiasm in the city going. New York needs the fans and the city behind them and be that 6th man. They would embrace Melo just like they embraced Amare. There two were born to play in the big city...

[BigUgly]

even if we toss in Landry this would be a steal .

[crazybranman360]

We need to swap out Chandler for Gallinari

Even though i love Gallo, chandler makes us a lot better defensivly and we need that to win in the playoffs.

[shrink]

Would the 1st round pick be Minnesota's own pick? That's the only real upside I see for Denver, getting a high pick. If so, lol Kahn. He's the definition of a useful idiot.

MIN can't trade it's own pick, because it's owed to LAC, top 10 protected. Even if they could, it'd violate the Stepien Rule, when they'd owe their 2011.

It's most likely the UTA pick, Top 16 protected, and currently 20.

Finally, since next year's work stoppage may cause kids to stay in school, the pick may not bring back a very productive player. However for DEN's front office, it serves as valuable eye-candy for fans, disguising that their billionaire owner wants to cut salary to get under the lux.

[br7knicks]

How many stars do the Spurs have? How many stars did the Pistons have?

You win with a great TEAM.

yeah, kobe has never won a championship

solid argument.

but it's actually not.

bryant won with shaq who was a genuine franchise player who you can build a team around.

then when shaq left he brought a title to miami with help from the refs, who basically allowed wade to walk and carry the ball.

meanwhile bryant's lakers didn't do **** for years until they got gifted pau gasol.

they get demolished by the celtics, then they win a title against an overqualified and soft magic team who defeated an overrated cav team and who also defeated the celtics who were without garnett.

then the lakers win again because perkins went down with a knee injury in game 6. game 7 bryant shoots something like 5 for 24, but the lakers outrebound a perkins-less celtic squad to win game 7.

so yeah bryant has "won" titles, alright.... with one or two minor caveats.

you're making my argument for me, and against the OP.

the lakers only won because they HAD TWO FRANCHISE TYPE PLAYERS. also the same as Melo and Amare



magic, magic, magic...

So let me get this straight.

I ask how many stars the Spurs have & the Pistons have.

& state that you win as a team.

&

you respond with 'Kobe has never won a championship' & a girl in a bikini standing next to a toilet with feces floating in the water of the bowl.

yup

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4_q3V7nCmM[/youtube]

the kobe never winning a championship thing was sarcasm, didn't think that needed an explanation

if yours is broken you can borrow mine

ew dude I almost vomited from that picture haha was that necessary

hey, if i had to suffer through it while trying to look up "fail" in google, everyone should.

plus, what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger BTD

[Kool-Aid Drunk]

Sounds like we have a lot of billionaires on this board. Everyone knows how to be one.

[mmgwmu]

yeah this board is something...all of you should stfu if you think Kroenke wants to just waste money because he is a billionaire. Which by the way, you never know how his finances are - he could be losing a lot of money and not worth that much. Even if he isn't, he's made that money in his way and he can run franchise cost efficiently. Does he make money when Denver has a cap number of 86? He may not. So why is everyone giving him **** for wanting to save money?

On another note, this is not a bad deal for Minnesota. Yeah they take on Curry (who has barely anything left on his deal, especially since the Knicks have had some interesting payment plan where he has been paid most of his salary). They trade Brewer, who they are not resigning anyway so why is he important to them? Don't make it like he is a Wilson. He's an average player that they are not resigning - thus he is not worth **** to them. The first round pick will probably be Utahs. If they think Randolph can be the player a lot of us think he can be, he is not worth the 20th pick? 20th pick guarantees nothing. You guys should know that.

[NYKnicks6]

I'm going to that game, and if you're right, that would be awesome!

[Leeroy Jenkins]

doesn't seem like the fans on the wolves board think its a great deal

[seren]

You don't stay a billionaire by passing on chances like that.

No, that is exactly how you stay a billionaire. That would be raping by the Knicks and you know it. Do you really think you stay a billionaire by passing on opportunities to get raped?

Why would they trade for Wilson Chandler when he is going to be looking for a huge contract in 5 months and they don't even want him to begin with?

What rape? Melo put it all clear in front of Denver. They can trade him to NY, save 20 million, take a good look at Chandler or they can wait until the summer and let Melo go for nothing. Plus all your billionaires are super smart people fail just when you consider the deal they gave to Al last summer.

[Pedro Pistolas]

I don't know what's worse the picture or the people that keep quoting it?

[rrosario35]

Something I made this morning w/my coffee

[alphad0gz]

How dumb are you people? There are just too many ignorant comments to quote all of them so......

1) The trade would not be just Curry, Chandler, and Randolph to the Nuggets. It would be Curry, Chandler, Corey Brewer, and a 1st. Ass rape? Yep, but it's Denver's doing. There could be another pick involved, or a swap. ( my own supposition).

2) Melo may very well be the PREMIER scorer in the league. His mid range game is the best...period. He is the most physical SF in the league. James is bigger, Melo is tougher. While not the passer James is, Melo is an exceptional passer. The reason he gets a lot of shots blocked is because he challenges inside.....

3) For like the zillioneth time....we cannot trade the 2012 pick, the 2013, or the 2014 because of the options on the year Houston gets.

[Hitman33]

the kobe never winning a championship thing was sarcasm, didn't think that needed an explanation

if yours is broken you can borrow mine

No, you just don't know how to use sarcasm. And please refrain from posting pictures of human feces. It's gross.

[captain subtext]

doesn't seem like the fans on the wolves board think its a great deal

Minnesota would basically trade Brewer (for whom they have no use) and a low draft pick in a very very weak draft year for Randolph. It's not that bad. Curry will earn about 4 MM after the deadline, Knicks would pay 3MM of that by including the possible amount of money in the trade.

That NY already paid Eddy money upfront doesn't matter. If that was a way to circumvent the CBA in trade scenarios, we would have traded him a year ago while paying him the rest of his contract upfront, relieving the new franchise of that burden. If Eddy already got the money from the Knicks, Wolves would have to make the monthly payments to Dolan. Either way, it doesn't amount to much.

At this point in his contract Eddy is a nonfactor.