[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

Context · Post #981 » by **Context** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 5:32 am

Do you guys really think you are going to change Duetta on his position on Melo? Just forget-a-bout it :lol:

Jay10 · Post #982 » by **Jay10** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 5:40 am

kneega wrote:Do you guys really think you are going to change Duetta on his position on Melo? Just forget-a-bout it

lol

Knicker23 · Post #983 » by **Knicker23** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 5:48 am

The way Amare played today, it would be a pretty scary tandem to have a player beside him that can do the same thing just as often... and unlike the miami trio, I think these two will compliment each other, not perfectly, but nicely....

As far as i'm concerned Amare is still an inside paint thriving guy... he is gaining reputation for that smooth 15 footer too, which is great.... And Melo, more of an outside in guy, who just as how Amare can go outside, can go inside and drive the ball as well.....

You have two stars like them on the same team, boy, the chances of the Knicks losing to teams that this current teams does on those 'off nights' 'trap games' 'games that we simply came out flat' - those games really become very small in number... yeah even Miami will lose to the Pacers every once in a while...But adding these two will solve a lot of problems this team currently has with the tendency to come out flat and potential that always seems to be there to lose to teams we should beat...

Our team right now relies a bit too much on shooting that isn't always there to win games... that will change not simply because Melo is a good shooter (though he is an obvious upgrade from whom ever we deal), but that reliance itself will be eased by having another star to consistantly count on each night... Players like Amare and Melo whom we know will give us a certain __ amount I think will relieve us greatly from the shooting % dependency the system we play with creates... it'll still be there, but when we're off, we're off with two nba all stars to have drag us through, not one.

Getting those two together without having to give up too much - **** that's just a bonus.

xxrainnn · Post #984 » by **xxrainnn** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 5:49 am

Melo is great and all, but I also wouldn't give up Gallo nor Fields for him. Wilson sure, since we'd probably lose him in the offseason anyways.

Like Duetta said, the guy can put up his 30, but still lose to the freakin' Nets.

ALSO remember last playoffs... Melo had homecourt advantage with a healthy squad versus Deron Williams and D-Leaguers... and lost.

Once again don't get me wrong I would love to have him here and I think he will raise his level of play and efficiency in a Knick uni but I wouldn't lose sleep over not trading Gallo or Fields for him either.

melostat · Post #985 » by **melostat** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 5:58 am

duetta wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:I am convinced you have never watched Melo play.

Gee, I saw Gallo lay two clean blocks on him in New York, and refs give him the superstar call. And I've seen him sucker punch Mardy Collins, and then run like a girl from Nate Robinson. So, yeah, I have seen him - and I've seen his pattern of declining numbers. At the end of the day, the NBA comes down to numbers - as in most wins in a playoff series, etc. And Melo's numbers have been moving in a decidedly southward direction.

of course melo is not a statpadder like lebron so he doesnt have the stats like them. he trust his teammates to play their roles perfectly :roll:

KnickelandDime · Post #986 » by **KnickelandDime** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:01 am

melostat wrote:
duetta wrote:
NYK0605 wrote:I am convinced you have never watched Melo play.

Gee, I saw Gallo lay two clean blocks on him in New York, and refs give him the superstar call. And I've seen him sucker punch Mardy Collins, and then run like a girl from Nate Robinson. So, yeah, I have seen him - and I've seen his pattern of declining numbers. At the end of the day, the NBA comes down to numbers - as in most wins in a playoff series, etc. And Melo's numbers have been moving in a decidedly southward direction.

of course melo is not a statpadder like lebron so he doesnt have the stats like them. he trust his teammates to play their roles perfectly

Dude come on. I agree that Melo is a relatively non stat conscious player but to suggest Lebron, who joined a slow paced offense where he will, due to his teammates, have to sacrifice shots, rebounds, and in general play more off ball is stat padding is ridiculous.

Jay10 · Post #987 » by **Jay10** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:08 am

with each day that passes, carmelo comes closer to being a knick.

Ujiri sure didn't learn anything from the chris bosh fiasco in toronto. he's going to get all the blame once carmelo leaves.

melostat · Post #988 » by **melostat** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:10 am

xxrainnn wrote:Melo is great and all, but I also wouldn't give up Gallo nor Fields for him. Wilson sure, since we'd probably lose him in the offseason anyways.

Like Duetta said, the guy can put up his 30, but still lose to the freakin' Nets.

ALSO remember last playoffs... Melo had homecourt advantage with a healthy squad versus Deron Williams and D-Leaguers... and lost.

they were just forcing kmart and birdman at that time and their coach was out

macman411 · Post #989 » by **macman411** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:19 am

xxrainnn wrote:Melo is great and all, but I also wouldn't give up Gallo nor Fields for him. Wilson sure, since we'd probably lose him in the offseason anyways.

Like Duetta said, the guy can put up his 30, but still lose to the freakin' Nets.

ALSO remember last playoffs... Melo had homecourt advantage with a healthy squad versus Deron Williams and D-Leaguers... and lost.

Once again don't get me wrong I would love to have him here and I think he will raise his level of play and efficiency in a Knick uni but I wouldn't lose sleep over not trading Gallo or Fields for him either.

LOL Anyone who brings up the Jazz series to put down Melo is an absolute moron. He played great in that series. They lost because the great Chauncey Billips got absolutely scorched by D-Will and they also had no answer for Boozer. Not to mention JR Smith was M.I.A in the series like he is every year come playoff time. And what a coincidence they lost to the nets and devin harris had a career high 18 assists. But lets blame Melo for lighting it up. LOL Honestly how stupid are people. Melo has been a monster in the playoffs the last 2 years. This team greatly needs his toughness, his physicality and clutch shooting. How sad is it that Melo is going to be by far are most physical player.

macman411 · Post #990 » by **macman411** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:26 am

melostat wrote:
xxrainnn wrote:Melo is great and all, but I also wouldn't give up Gallo nor Fields for him. Wilson sure, since we'd probably lose him in the offseason anyways.

Like Duetta said, the guy can put up his 30, but still lose to the freakin' Nets.

ALSO remember last playoffs... Melo had homecourt advantage with a healthy squad versus Deron Williams and D-Leaguers... and lost.

they were just forcing kmart and birdman at that time and their coach was out

LOL Not only was George Karl out but he was replaced by a dumb and deaf mute in Adrain Dantley. It was Melo's fault though.

Moose · Post #991 » by **Moose** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:38 am

You people are ridiculous.

Trading Wilson, AR, Curry, and a first rounder for Melo...and some of you are actually complaining?

A lineup of Amare, Gallo, Melo, Fields, Felton with a decent bench can actually compete to go to the finals.

The starting lineup has every player under 30, and guys who can still improve in Gallo and Fields...and even to an extent, Felton.

This team needs Melo. This team needs a star, and yes, Melo is a star. He is a guy who can take over a game, and can hit big shots...and can go toe to toe with the top 10 players in the league.

The lack of defense is a concern for the entire team, not just Melo...a lot of that deals with the coach and the team concept. The team must buy into the idea of defense, and therefore, in 2 years, assuming this team doesn't get to the finals, D'antoni will be gone, and a coach that hopefully focuses on defense will come in, and this team will play more complete basketball.

This team hasn't had a hall of famer on the team since Ewing...and now we will have one in Melo, who assuming stays healthy and productive putting up 25+ points, along with other stats a year, will be a HOF...and Amare may end up being a HOF (though not in my opinion).

And people are talking about Melo on the decline? You must be kidding...in 69 game last year, he had MVP type numbers and was being discussed as such at one point. He is 26 years old and has a great offensive game...And with a new scenery and new fire, he may only get better as far as conditioning goes...and hopefully other areas of his game.

I also believe he can drive a team to win, especially in NY, it will be rejuvenation...but my biggest concern is the coach...I didn't like the hire then, and I still dont like it...you need to play defense at some point to win...thats my biggest concern.

So stop complaining and crying. Think about how better off this team will be for the next 4-5 years. As long as we stay healthy, and Amare doesn't age terribly, we have a chance to be good for a nice stretch that can bring a title here. As long as management doesn't botch it with bad trades and/or signings, or coaching hires...and adds good pieces along the way, we can contend for a title.

Danny1024 · Post #992 » by **Danny1024** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:08 am

A lineup with Amare at Center and Gallo at PF isn't going anywhere near the finals... cmon now, be realistic here. If the Knicks want to contend for a championship Amare needs to play his natural PF position and we need a REAL center. One that can rebound and play defense...

If we get Melo I see Gallo going to the bench... which may not be all that bad. He'd play more with the 2nd unit and get a lot more touches.

IMO, if we trade Wilson+AR+Curry+1st for Melo

Felton
Fields
Melo
Amare
Moz

is our best lineup...

Bench would be 6: Gallo, 7: Douglas 8: Williams 9: Turiaf 10: Azibuike...

Looks like a legit contender, IMO.

The only thing I'm not too sure about is Moz @ center. I think for what we're paying him (2.5 million per year) he's a great backup center... not so sure about starting center, but for this season he'll have to do I guess.

J9Starks3 · Post #993 » by **J9Starks3** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:09 am

I dont care if you like Melo or not.... Melo for Curry/Chandler/AR is an absolutely fleecing.

Even if for nothing else, we could trade Melo next year, signed to that deal and get a better haul than that! But I think once he and Amare start playing together, nobody is going to want to break that up!

Moose · Post #994 » by **Moose** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:16 am

Not sure Moz is a long-term option at starting center...and you know d'antoni will probably go with a lineup of amare at center first, with gallo at pf...so that is kind of realistic.

it doesnt mean it is the best idea or plan...and you are right...we will probably be eaten alive in the paint, but that will probably be the first lineup we see out there.

knicksfan974 · Post #995 » by **knicksfan974** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:19 am

duetta wrote:
St Knick wrote:are some of you really complaining about trading for Melo with a potential Chandler, Curry, Randolph deal?

No one is complaining about that deal. But that deal will not go down. Denver will not be able to sell it to its fan base.

How will they sell "getting nothing in return" to their fanbase a la Cavs?

KnickelandDime · Post #996 » by **KnickelandDime** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:27 am

I can deal with a starting lineup of
PG) Felton
SG) Fields
SF) Gallo
PF) Melo
C) Amare
so long as Mozgov, and Turiaf actually get some consistent burn (maybe 20-36 mins depending on his development and 12-20 minutes respectively). You guys have to remember that such a lineup will be absolute murder on other teams bigs with Gallo, Melo and Amare all great at drawing fouls. In fact, I actually like going small at times (so long as we don't see anymore Williams/Chandler playing Center). Maybe you guys haven't been paying attention but this year our best lineup has been Felton, Fields, Gallo, Chandler, Amare. Most teams simply can't matchup or keep up. So as long as in crunch time we get a big in and D'Antoni is flexible enough to know that we need a legit big against the Bynums and Howards of the world, I think it would work. How's this for a rotation:
PG) Felton 36 Douglas 12
SG) Fields 36 Douglas/Azubuike 12 (depends on whether Azubuike gets healthy)
SF) Gallo 36 Melo 12
PF) Melo 24 Turiaf 16 Amare 8
C) Amare 24 Mozgov 24

NYBigBlueDOTCOM · Post #997 » by **NYBigBlueDOTCOM** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:54 am

If this goes down, I hope Gallo becomes the 6th man. I say this because I think our second unit lacks a scorer, even as is, and Gallo is the type of guy who can command the ball to start the second and fourth quarters, while the starters rest. Gallo is at his best as the focus of an offense, and he'll be perfect to lead the bench mob.

1: Ray / TD

2: Landry / Walker/ TD/ Bookie / Rautins

3: Melo / Gallo

4: Amar'e / Williams

5: Turiaf / Moz

If the Knicks are this stacked after the trade, Donnie Walsh needs a new deal, and some Clinton administration interns.

ibraheim718 · Post #998 » by **ibraheim718** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 7:57 am

xxrainnn wrote:Melo is great and all, but I also wouldn't give up Gallo nor Fields for him. Wilson sure, since we'd probably lose him in the offseason anyways.

Like Duetta said, the guy can put up his 30, but still lose to the freakin' Nets.

ALSO remember last playoffs... Melo had homecourt advantage with a healthy squad versus Deron Williams and D-Leaguers... and lost.

Once again don't get me wrong I would love to have him here and I think he will raise his level of play and efficiency in a Knick uni but I wouldn't lose sleep over not trading Gallo or Fields for him either.

Ok... Basketball isn't your area of expertise. First, Ok Fields nice player, nice find, "glue guy" BUT 10ppg 7 reb 2asst and a block AND the rookie WALL right around the corner isn't a once a decade type of player . And I also have news for you until Fields learns how to not fall for every jab step or pump fake he will never be able to shut down any of the top SG's. If he is dealt it's not the end of the world. You find that elsewhere through free agency or the draft. But once again fans grow attached and children don't like it when you take their teddy bear away.

And second the Nuggets because of the personalities on the team (hard to discipline) the moment Karl went down they had no shot. Period.

tangotai · Post #999 » by **tangotai** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:02 am

duetta wrote:
St Knick wrote:are some of you really complaining about trading for Melo with a potential Chandler, Curry, Randolph deal?

No one is complaining about that deal. But that deal will not go down. Denver will not be able to sell it to its fan base.

Dear Duetta,

Please explain how Denver will explain Melo walking in Fa for nothing to their fan base.

Thank you,
tangotai
longtime Knicks fan and exposter who went into hibernation for a few years then came back under this new alias.

Future Soldier · Post #1000 » by **Future Soldier** » Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:17 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
xxrainnn wrote:Melo is great and all, but I also wouldn't give up Gallo nor Fields for him. Wilson sure, since we'd probably lose him in the offseason anyways.

Like Duetta said, the guy can put up his 30, but still lose to the freakin' Nets.

ALSO remember last playoffs... Melo had homecourt advantage with a healthy squad versus Deron Williams and D-Leaguers... and lost.

Once again don't get me wrong I would love to have him here and I think he will raise his level of play and efficiency in a Knick uni but I wouldn't lose sleep over not trading Gallo or Fields for him either.

Ok... Basketball isn't your area of expertise. First, Ok Fields nice player, nice find, "glue guy" BUT 10ppg 7 reb 2asst and a block AND the rookie WALL right around the corner isn't a once a decade type of player . And I also have news for you until Fields learns how to not fall for every jab step or pump fake he will never be able to shut down any of the top SG's. If he is dealt it's not the end of the world. You find that elsewhere through free agency or the draft. But once again fans grow attached and children don't like it when you take their teddy bear away.

And second the Nuggets because of the personalities on the team (hard to discipline) the moment Karl went down they had no shot. Period.

I think we can already tell who the "anti-Melo" guys on this board will be, and he's not even on the team yet. God forbid we still have Gallo after all of this too. There will be civil war in this bitch.