[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[GONYK]

Gallo hasn't shown he can do the things Hedo can do. Stop it. Dirk is better than Hedo too. Can Dirk bring the ball up the floor and initiate the offense?

No, but Gallo can.

Even if you disagree, the notion that Gallo has no value to a team with Melo on it is absurd. There will always be a place for a 6'10" player who can shoot, put the ball on the floor, and get to the line at very good rate.

That's where I disagree. I've seen Gallo lose his handle plenty of times. I don't see Gallo making the plays that Hedo makes on the daily basis. I don't see him constantly setting players up for dunks or layups. I don't see that playmaking ability.

You're right in that it would always be a spot on a team for a player like Gallo. He's 6'10 that can shoot and get to the line. Of course its always a spot for a player like him. I just didn't find the Hedo comment necessary.

I mainly brought up Hedo because that other poster made it seem like unless Gallo was a guard, he had no place on this roster. I was saying that SF's have value too.

We obviously disagree on Gallo proficiency with the ball. That's fine, but my overall point still stands.

[Dr. Detfink]

Guys! the more Melo pours in a game (see 42 point win)....the LESS likely Donnie can remain constipated with his "assets."

[mugzi]

Kane youre one of the few posters here I truly respect but are u saying Gallo has peaked??? Come on man, I know you know this guy has at least the potential to up his ppg 3 or 4 more per game in 1 to 3 years.
No. Im not saying he has peaked at all. All im saying is, you cant discuss him on this board. You cant break down his game by what you see. And what you feel. Even if you keep it respectful, and be realistic. You cant even discuss his personality. Because someone comes with their yeah gallo flag.

Its crazy to me man. I mean, at least me, im a knick fan. You know what I mean? I care about the team. I dont have a love affair with these young players. In all my years of watching knick basketball, you have to go back to the 60's, to see a team that drafts and develops. This is a big money franchise that buys players. I cant afford as a fan to get attached to a draft pick that is not elite. And unfortunately I have not seen one sense 1985.

Again it not that I think he has peaked, or that I like or dislike him, I just dont understand why this dude is such a controversial subject here.[/quote]

Fair enough. I did read a little into your comment but now that u clarified yourself I agree with what your saying. I actually do agree with you. It seems its almost impossible here to debate Gallo objectively. I dont know if its cause he's a Euro, or a finesse big man, or cause he's white or cause Knick fans over analyze their players, or none of the above. And Im not trying to make this a racial thing cause I hate when anyone brings up race about anything period. To me thats a cop out and a default argument when people have lost an argument they fallback on race. But I digress, I just see justdatdude as being a Gallo hater. Hes on record and bottom line no matter what Gallo does he will find fault with him in my opinion. Which is fine I just dont like him being clandestine about it.

I think we have a solid starter/6th man with Gallo and hes young with room to improve. By the time hes 28 he can easily fill out and be a Dirkesque PF if he works on his rebounding and mid range game which is not to much to ask of a player of his caliber at this stage of his career.

[taj2133]

Also gallo only has 2 double doubles this season thats not good for player this is 6foot10 fields has 10 double doubles this season.

[GONYK]

Also gallo only has 2 double doubles this season thats not good for player this is 6foot10 fields has 10 double doubles this season.

Gallo has 14 games with over 20 pts. Fields has 2.

What's your point?

[KnicksManiac]

How are we going to make it to the deadline? This stuff has really taken over my life.

[Knicker23]

Everyone can agree Gallo would be a nice asset to hold onto moving forward... I also think everyone can agree that if it means giving him up to secure Melo, he's gone.. Where people disagree probably occurs in how long we'd like to see Donnie hold out or call Denvers bluff before he gives Gallo.. (were this hypothetical with Gallo not being included in deals true)...

After performances like many witnessed tonight by Melo, and over the last couple of games, many people have moved from 'mannnn we got leverage! blackball denver w stupid deals until they cave..' to 'damn, we need this guy on our team now, no funny business, get it done.'

Those people aren't thinking clearly though.

Melo's play has nothing to do with our leverage. We always knew he was capable of this. His on court performances changes nothing about Denver's position or ours in this affair.

Given the current state of the Knicks- a soon to be .500 team that is going down hill, I do think the pressure is up a little more, watching Melo come out with these 40 point after 50 point night games.. Donnie can't be sitting here with a straight face saying 'we donn't reallly need Melo right now.. but we are willing to give you ___" and be taken seriously...

If we were sitting pretty and meshing well playing winning bball this sort of 'nonchalant'' act would be a little easier to pass, that we don't really need melo all that much [right now] and are willing to risk FA etc for the team we currently have.....the assets of our team at 25-25 don't make as much sense to hold onto as they do if we were a bit better, perhaps that just in my view though..

As you say, it's probably more the fans that will start feeling the urgency and whatnot.. but it's not just SAS, Hahn and everyone else is starting to get anxious here (as you'd suspect in this game of chicken)... I admire Donnie's patience and hopefully it'll work

[nytonm]

Guys! the more Melo pours in a game (see 42 point win)....the LESS likely Donnie can remain constipated with his "assets."

Yeah Donnie wake up! People might start to notice that Melo is very good at basketball. We'll be screwed then.

[GONYK]

Everyone can agree Gallo would be a nice asset to hold onto moving forward... I also think everyone can agree that if it means giving him up to secure Melo, he's gone.. Where people disagree probably occurs in how long we'd like to see Donnie hold out or call Denvers bluff before he gives Gallo.. (were this hypothetical with Gallo not being included in deals true)...

After performances like many witnessed tonight by Melo, and over the last couple of games, many people have moved from 'mannnn we got leverage! blackball denver w stupid deals until they cave..' to 'damn, we need this guy on our team now, no funny business, get it done.'

Those people aren't thinking clearly though.

Melo's play has nothing to do with our leverage. We always knew he was capable of this. His on court performances changes nothing about Denver's position or ours in this affair.

Given the current state of the Knicks- a soon to be .500 team that is going down hill, I do think the pressure is up a little more, watching Melo come out with these 40 point after 50 point night games.. Donnie can't be sitting here with a straight face saying 'we donn't reallly need Melo right now.. but we are willing to give you ___" and be taken seriously...

If we were sitting pretty and meshing well playing winning bball this sort of 'nonchalant'' act would be a little easier to pass, that we don't really need melo all that much [right now] and are willing to risk FA etc for the team we currently have.....the assets of our team at 25-25 don't make as much sense to hold onto as they do if we were a bit better, perhaps that just in my view though..

As you say, it's probably more the fans that will start feeling the urgency and whatnot.. but it's not just SAS, Hahn and everyone else is starting to get anxious here (as you'd suspect in this game of chicken)... I admire Donnie's patience and hopefully it'll work

Of course he can, because this is a longterm decision, not a short-term one, and for the time being, we are the only team Melo will sign an extension with.

It's the extension that grants the leverage, not who needs Melo at what time or how he plays.

[taj2133]

What i am saying his when player only gets 2 double doubles he is not doing his job on making him self a more complete player it just not about scoring it is also about rebounding and assist. Laundry fields was not expected to do all the things his rookie like gallo was suppose to do nobody expected a second round pick to put these solid there is a huge difference between a number 6 and a number 39 pick. If blake griffin didn't get hurt last year fields would win rookie of the year a number 39 pick would have won rookie of the year.

[czoneny]

After tonight's performance...

Can some of you guys please just stop with this Wilson Chandler/Landry Fields being untouchable stuff.

Get Melo on this team before the deadline, even if it means including both of those guys...

[Knicker23]

Of course he can, because this is a longterm decision, not a short-term one, and for the time being, we are the only team Melo will sign an extension with.

It's the extension that grants the leverage, not who needs Melo at what time or how he plays.

In the grand scheme of things that's true, and i'm sure that's how he's operating.. but certain players on our roster, imo, aren't worth even the chance of letting some team he'd maybe sign with like Lakers snake him... the place we'd be in were we not to get him would be far worse over the next few years than were we to get him giving up [arguably] an 'extra' player... like think about that, is it really worth it.

But as I said, when you have a struggling Knicks team that is looking weaker and weaker by the game, and Melo going off game after game.. fan chanting 'we want Melo'.. God forbid a team like the Lakers do grab him because Donnie was sleeping and didn't get to the 'offer Fields' or 'offer Gallo' stage.....

If Melo folds and signs with the Nets I will not be sitting here thinking "Ha! well NJ just screwed there future giving up all that for Melo! I'm so glad Donnie didn't give up Gallo and our future for Melo..." .. I'll be sitting here thinking "Howard..Paul.. Williams..anyone still want to come?"

[taj2133]

You forgot to put gallo as untouchable to czoney if you going to put fields and chandler untouchable then gallo is also untouchable.

[kane2021]

Fair enough. I did read a little into your comment but now that u clarified yourself I agree with what your saying. I actually do agree with you. It seems its almost impossible here to debate Gallo objectively. I dont know if its cause he's a Euro, or a finesse big man, or cause he's white or cause Knick fans over analyze their players, or none of the above. And Im not trying to make this a racial thing cause I hate when anyone brings up race about anything period. To me thats a cop out and a default argument when people have lost an argument they fallback on race. But I digress, I just see justdatdude as being a Gallo hater. Hes on record and bottom line no matter what Gallo does he will find fault with him in my opinion. Which is fine I just dont like him being clandestine about it.

I think we have a solid starter/6th man with Gallo and hes young with room to improve. By the time hes 28 he can easily fill out and be a Dirkesque PF if he works on his rebounding and mid range game which is not to much to ask of a player of his caliber at this stage of his career.

Really man, what I honestly think the reason is, its that gallo was our first major lotto pick in a loooooooong time. The first pick we made in the lottery that was going to be our guy. And the first pick this current set of coaches/execs made. I really think thats what it is man.

Ewing in 85. Walker in 86. And then you jump to sweets in 03.

I got attached to picks in the past. They all got dealt, or never panned out to anything. Then we went a long time after the Wallace Mcarty year where we just never really drafted. When we dealt our lotto pick (nene) for dice, it was the icing on the cake for me. Never get attached to a knicks draft pick, unless its the sure fire real deal.

Thats what the knicks do. We buy big name players with smaller assets using our ability to take on any salary no matter how great or how long the contract. When you have a GM that knows what he is doing, its a great thing. Unfortunately our last 2 GM's didnt know what they where doing.

[czoneny]

In the grand scheme of things that's true, and i'm sure that's how he's operating.. but certain players on our roster, imo, aren't worth even the chance of letting some team he'd maybe sign with like Lakers snake him... the place we'd be in were we not to get him would be far worse over the next few years than were we to get him giving up [arguably] an 'extra' player... like think about that, is it really worth it.

But as I said, when you have a struggling Knicks team that is looking weaker and weaker by the game, and Melo going off game after game.. fan chanting 'we want Melo'.. God forbid a team like the Lakers don't grab him because Donnie was sleeping and didn't get to the 'offer Fields' or 'offer Gallo' stage.....

If Melo folds and signs with the Nets I will not be sitting here thinking "Ha! well NJ just screwed there future giving up all that for Melo! I'm so glad Donnie didn't give up Gallo and our future for Melo..." .. I'll be sitting here thinking "Howard..Paul.. Williams..anyone still want to come?"

+1

this obsession with Landry Fields is borderline sick. hes a great player but some Knicks fans really do get attached to players. I like him too, but if Denver says Chandler+Fields+AR gets you an extended Carmelo Anthony, ill drive Fields to the airport myself.

[GONYK]

Of course he can, because this is a longterm decision, not a short-term one, and for the time being, we are the only team Melo will sign an extension with.

It's the extension that grants the leverage, not who needs Melo at what time or how he plays.

In the grand scheme of things that's true, and i'm sure that's how he's operating.. but certain players on our roster, imo, aren't worth even the chance of letting some team he'd maybe sign with like Lakers snake him... the place we'd be in were we not to get him would be far worse over the next few years than were we to get him giving up [arguably] an 'extra' player... like think about that, is it really worth it.

But as I said, when you have a struggling Knicks team that is looking weaker and weaker by the game, and Melo going off game after game.. fan chanting 'we want Melo'.. God forbid a team like the Lakers don't grab him because Donnie was sleeping and didn't get to the 'offer Fields' or 'offer Gallo' stage.....

If Melo folds and signs with the Nets I will not be sitting here thinking "Ha! well NJ just screwed there future giving up all that for Melo! I'm so glad Donnie didn't give up Gallo and our future for Melo..." .. I'll be sitting here thinking "Howard..Paul.. Williams..anyone still want to come?"

If any of that was going to happen, it would have happened already. Melo would have been a Net in September. The Lakers aren't a threat and never were.

Don't let panic overtake logic. We are less than 2 weeks away.

[czoneny]

You forgot to put gallo as untouchable to czoney if you going to put fields and chandler untouchable then gallo is also untouchable.

yes i know, none of them are untouchable in my book, any of the 2 i have no problem with including


BUT..

id rather keep Gallo out of them my order from 1-4 that id want to keep these 4 players (1 being the most)

1. Gallo
2. Fields
3. Chandler
4. AR

[GONYK]

What i am saying his when player only gets 2 double doubles he is not doing his job on making him self a more complete player it just not about scoring it is also about rebounding and assist. Laundry fields was not expected to do all the things his rookie like gallo was suppose to do nobody expected a second round pick to put these solid there is a huge difference between a number 6 and a number 39 pick. If blake griffin didn't get hurt last year fields would win rookie of the year a number 39 pick would have won rookie of the year.

True, but you just called Gallo a player that will never be a star or have a role on the team with Melo. Gallo has shown all the tools to be a 20 pt scorer in this game, and he doesn't even need a lot of shots to do it. Even if Gallo comes off the bench for this team, he has a role and will be an important contributor.

[kane2021]

The truth of the matter is this folks. If we did get carmelo, any player we dont lose in the process will be dangled to the hornets. Or flat out renounced for paul. Dont get attached.

[GONYK]

+1

this obsession with Landry Fields is borderline sick. hes a great player but some Knicks fans really do get attached to players. I like him too, but if Denver says Chandler+Fields+AR gets you an extended Carmelo Anthony, ill drive Fields to the airport myself.

I don't have an issue with trading Fields or Gallo if it came down to crunch time. Denver has to beg for that deal though, because once we extend that offer, it has to be with complete understanding that it is the one they will accept. No more negotiations.

We also aren't including 2 of the 3, and only getting Melo back. A player who can contribute has to be coming back with him.