Brodeur

Griff83 · Post #1 » by **Griff83** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:17 am

man has this guy been horrible the past 2 playoffs. Hes lets in so many softies this series and the same happened last year against Ottawa. He looks like hes on the downslide of his career. I dont care how well you play in the regular season, if you play like junk in the playoffs theres no way you can be called the best goalie in hockey.

Post #2 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:54 am

What are you the worlds biggest hatter? Brouder is the best goalie hands down. Put him on a contending team and watch his numbers. He's on a defensive team with very little fire power

Post #3 » by **Latrell** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:18 am

xbl_sucks wrote:What are you the worlds biggest hatter? Brouder is the best goalie hands down. Put him on a contending team and watch his numbers. He's on a defensive team with very little fire power

The thing with Brodeur is that his fundamentals seem off recently which is more concerning than anything. It is a problem that can be fixed though. And he's had some bad playoffs in between his Cup runs too.

Griff83 · Post #4 » by **Griff83** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:18 am

xbl_sucks wrote:What are you the worlds biggest hatter? Brouder is the best goalie hands down. Put him on a contending team and watch his numbers. He's on a defensive team with very little fire power

if he's on a defensive team why is he letting in so many goals and bad ones at that.

Broduer is no longer the best goalie in the world.

Griff83 · Post #5 » by **Griff83** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:19 am

and LOL at putting him on a contending team and watch his numbers. Have you watched the Devils play? All the focus on is playing defence first and all the time. If anything the team he plays on now and there system influences his stats stats in a good way.

Kaizen · Post #6 » by **Kaizen** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:31 am

I have always thought he was overrated and I hate his playing style. I have been telling my brother for years that I would not want as the goalie for my team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3PmV8vxW5M

Post #7 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:50 pm

^^^ That is what I thought this was going to be about. How he didn't shake averys hand. But, who cares, I wouldn't have shaked his hand either. Plus that clip you played is the best view, avery looks ahead, then looks back like, "ugh screw this guy", and he doesn't really make an attempt to shake brodeurs hand.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #8 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:24 pm

He should have done a lot better with the way the Devils play hockey. They are boring as hell to watch.

Griff83 · Post #9 » by **Griff83** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:23 pm

the last 4 years hes been outplayed by at least one goaltender in each playoffs. The system he plays in greatly influences his goals against average and save %. Id take both Nabakov, Luongo and Lundqvist easily over Broduer going forward for production next season and beyond.

and LOL at Avery dissing him in his post game interview.

"Fatso didnt want to shake my hand"

Post #10 » by **Geddy** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:41 pm

Good on Brodeur for not shaking that idiot's hand. Avery can't act like a jerk the whole series then assume that all is well because of a hand shake.

Post #11 » by **Latrell** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:58 pm

I don't think Sean is losing much sleep over it.

Post #12 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:42 pm

Griff83 wrote:the last 4 years hes been outplayed by at least one goaltender in each playoffs. The system he plays in greatly influences his goals against average and save %. Id take both Nabakov, Luongo and Lundqvist easily over Broduer going forward for production next season and beyond.

and LOL at Avery dissing him in his post game interview.

"Fatso didnt want to shake my hand"

Now yes but Brouder is consider to many as the best of all time look at the things he's done for Canada and for NJ. He won them 3 stanley cups alone. Sure he had decient teams but he stood on his head at times.

If Avery has half the career and success Brouder does I will eat my hat but there is no way he means more to his team then Brouder. Avery is a jackass. Just wish Domi or Probert were in the league to knock his ass out

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If I am building a team and want a goalie I would take Loungo easily without question then maybe Nabokov or Ryan Miller I wouldn't put Lundqvist over Miller and maybe Kipper.

Griff83 · Post #13 » by **Griff83** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:25 pm

xbl_sucks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Now yes but Brouder is consider to many as the best of all time look at the things he's done for Canada and for NJ. He won them 3 stanley cups alone. Sure he had decient teams but he stood on his head at times.

If Avery has half the career and success Brouder does I will eat my hat but there is no way he means more to his team then Brouder. Avery is a jackass. Just wish Domi or Probert were in the league to knock his ass out !

If I am building a team and want a goalie I would take Loungo easily without question then maybe Nabokov or Ryan Miller I wouldn't put Lundqvist over Miller and maybe Kipper.

Dude honestly this is crazy talk. Henrik Lundvist is currently a better goalie then both Miller and Kipprasoff. I also laughed when you said many think Broduer is the best of all the time become thats hilarious.

Griff83 · Post #14 » by **Griff83** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:30 pm

also I dont care whats he's previously done like 6-7 years ago, all I care about is his recent playoff performances and they have been really bad for someone who people call the best goalie in the league.

Nabakov, Lundqvist and Luongo are all better goalies currently then Broduer but people will continue to bring up stats and try to say im wrong but it comes down to the system he plays in and there philosophy.

Post #15 » by **MAS** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:22 pm

I wouldn't say he was out preformed last year against Ottawa, or the year before against Carolina.

New Jersey has really taken a toll over the past few years... losing top defensemen since the lockout. Stevens retired, Neidermayer went to Anaheim and Rafalski ened up in Detroit this year.

The way the defense was this year, it's fine for the regular season but in the playoffs it won't do the job.

There is no QUESTION that Brodeur is the MVP of the Devils, as Luongo is to the Canucks. But like the Canucks, the team in front of Brodeur makes a big difference. Despite recent failures by the Devils, Brodeur will be known as one of the best goalies of all time... if not THE best. I personally don't agree with his decision not to shake Avery's hand but that's his choice.

To be honest in the East I would rank the goalies:

1. Brodeur
2. Lundqvist

and after that, I honestly can't decide between Miller and Toskala

some may call me a homer for saying Toskala but the others in the east doesn't show enough for me to say otherwise... but also says something about the quality of goaltending in the east

Griff83 · Post #16 » by **Griff83** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:38 pm

MAS wrote:I wouldn't say he was out preformed last year against Ottawa, or the year before against Carolina.

New Jersey has really taken a toll over the past few years... losing top defensemen since the lockout. Stevens retired, Neidermayer went to Anaheim and Rafalski ened up in Detroit this year.

The way the defense was this year, it's fine for the regular season but in the playoffs it won't do the job.

There is no QUESTION that Brodeur is the MVP of the Devils, as Luongo is to the Canucks. But like the Canucks, the team in front of Brodeur makes a big difference. Despite recent failures by the Devils, Brodeur will be known as one of the best goalies of all time... if not THE best. I personally don't agree with his decision not to shake Avery's hand but that's his choice.

To be honest in the East I would rank the goalies:

1. Brodeur
2. Lundqvist

and after that, I honestly can't decide between Miller and Toskala

some may call me a homer for saying Toskala but the others in the east doesn't show enough for me to say otherwise... but also says something about the quality of goaltending in the east

your wrong he was outplayed by Both Emery in last years playoffs (where Brodeur was pretty bad again allowing a ton of softies) and was outplayed the year before by Cam Ward. You really believe he could be considered the best goalie of all time? Common now.

Post #17 » by **Crowned** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:58 am

We're talking about a 36 year old Brodeur here. Let's discuss how many cups he won, how many vezina's he won, how many jennings trophies he's won, the fact that he has a gold medal, his multiple allstar appearances, etc.

Overrated? Hardly.

Post #18 » by **Crowned** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:01 am

Additionally, in the past 2 season's...he has put up the following numbers:

2006-2007: 48 wins, 12 shutouts, 2.18 GAA, .922 save%
2007-2008: 44 wins, 4 shutouts, 2.17 GAA, .920 save%

No, he hasn't put up excellent performances in the playoffs, but neither has the Devils as a team. He has still been absolutely dominant in the past 2 seasons.

Griff83 · Post #19 » by **Griff83** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:59 pm

Crowned wrote:We're talking about a 36 year old Brodeur here. Let's discuss how many cups he won, how many vezina's he won, how many jennings trophies he's won, the fact that he has a gold medal, his multiple allstar appearances, etc.

Overrated? Hardly.

Yes he's one 3 vezina's, cups, jennings trophys. No where did I discredit that hes one of the best goalies in the NHL and one of the better ones that has ever played but that doesnt have anything to do with saying he's been horrible the past 2 playoffs and mediocre the 2 before that. If he's suppose to be such a phenominal goalie how come he's stunk it up so bad the past 2 seasons. Luongo was better in the playoffs last year and Nabakov and Lundqvist have been better them him this year.

He's in a system that stress's defence like no other in the league and the only way you make it thru the system is if your defensively aware and know how to play defence first offense second and this philosophy has greatly influenced Broduers stats the past few seasons. Again no where have I downplayed his career achievements but I dont like when people are currently calling him still the best goalie in the world and he continues to underwhelm once the playoffs start. I thought the best goalie in the game would be able to STEP up his game when the games get bigger no?

Griff83 · Post #20 » by **Griff83** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:07 pm

Crowned wrote:Additionally, in the past 2 season's...he has put up the following numbers:

2006-2007: 48 wins, 12 shutouts, 2.18 GAA, .922 save%
2007-2008: 44 wins, 4 shutouts, 2.17 GAA, .920 save%

No, he hasn't put up excellent performances in the playoffs, but neither has the Devils as a team. He has still been absolutely dominant in the past 2 seasons.

Impressive numbers no doubt, but thats regular season playing behind a team that most times could care less about going forward and attacking with offensive pressure and would rather sit back and smother you to death. Dont you agree that if your considered the best goalie in the world you should be able to raise your game when the games get bigger and not actually play worse? Kinda like how Theodore has done or Turco or Ellis or Biron or Fluery?