[Camelo Thread Part 21] - Knicks Met With Melo Thursday

god shammgod · Post #1381 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:36 am

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
If nothing else, Nets getting back into mix forces Knicks to pay a steeper price for Melo. Which is why they thought this was a win-win.

enough with you wojo

TheCool · Post #1382 » by **TheCool** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:37 am

Gregory151 wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Still, it will come down to Denver owner Stan Kroenke's decision to OK Knicks offer and give 'Melo what he wants: $65M and the Knicks.
7 minutes ago

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
James Dolan and Josh Kroenke are extremely involved in these talks. One source went so far as to say that the owners are calling the shots.
13 minutes ago

AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
Donnie Walsh and Masai Uriji were on conference call, but their roles have diminished. Source says owners have stepped in to get this done.
10 minutes ago

NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Melo tells Post, "It's been going on a long time getting deals to be put on table, for NY to put deal on table, obviously it's dialogue.
6 minutes ago

That just summed this trade up

towelie · Post #1383 » by **towelie** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:37 am

god shammgod wrote:
towelie wrote:I'd honestly prefer to take back Birdman or Harrington if it means we can forego the Felton/Billups swap.

In the end, the main reason they want to dump Billups for Felton is because of the extra money savings (and luxury tax savings) from adding more salary into the trade and exploiting the 125% rule.

seems like donnie doesn't want to add unnecessary salary

To me, not taking on Harrington/Birdman (when we have the expirings to do so), and swapping Felton/Billups is indicative that our organization (or Dolan, with Isiah whispering in his ear) thinks that CP3/Deron is our plan for 2012.

Smoke24 · Post #1384 » by **Smoke24** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:37 am

AllanHoustonFan wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As much as Amar'e wants Melo in NY, he's completely against gutting the roster to get him, sources say. He knows it takes a balanced roster.

Wtf is this guy talking about? Amar'e was saying himself it doesn't matter if we gut our team because the two of them are good enough.

He said this? When?

Knicker23 · Post #1385 » by **Knicker23** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:37 am

god shammgod wrote:stop it wojo. melo was a good soldier. they'll take the knicks deal.

Yeah, Denver needs to accept it and move on already... Felton Chandler and Gallo Curry and a pick is more than enough.

Melo Amare Billups Fields Moz is a pretty fine starting 5 to have moving forward (key term there being: moving forward.. contrary to what the deal haters would like to think, we won't be suffocated from that point on from doing anything, the process rolls on into it's next stage).

Li'l Penny · Post #1386 » by **Li'l Penny** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:37 am

Who are the Denver fillers?

damedash09 · Post #1387 » by **damedash09** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:37 am

god shammgod wrote:
towelie wrote:I'd honestly prefer to take back Birdman or Harrington if it means we can forego the Felton/Billups swap.

In the end, the main reason they want to dump Billups for Felton is because of the extra money savings (and luxury tax savings) from adding more salary into the trade and exploiting the 125% rule.

seems like donnie doesn't want to add unnecessary salary

ewww al harrington the knicks dont need him

MSGLegendNY · Post #1388 » by **MSGLegendNY** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:38 am

Thank god Al Harrington's name has not popped up! Hopefully I didn't speak too soon.

god shammgod · Post #1389 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:38 am

towelie wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
towelie wrote:I'd honestly prefer to take back Birdman or Harrington if it means we can forego the Felton/Billups swap.

In the end, the main reason they want to dump Billups for Felton is because of the extra money savings (and luxury tax savings) from adding more salary into the trade and exploiting the 125% rule.

seems like donnie doesn't want to add unnecessary salary

To me, not taking on Harrington/Birdman (when we have the expirings to do so), and swapping Felton/Billups is that our organization (or Dolan, with Isiah whispering in his ear) thinks that CP3/Deron is a reality in 2012.

yep. i don't see it either but i think they do. not sure even if we kept gallo/felton we could trade for cp3. would you take that package for him ?

jamrock1975 · Post #1390 » by **jamrock1975** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:38 am

I would much rather take Al Harrington's contract than give up Felton

AllanHoustonFan · Post #1391 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:39 am

Smoke24 wrote:
AllanHoustonFan wrote:WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As much as Amar'e wants Melo in NY, he's completely against gutting the roster to get him, sources say. He knows it takes a balanced roster.

Wtf is this guy talking about? Amar'e was saying himself it doesn't matter if we gut our team because the two of them are good enough.

He said this? When?

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Asked Amar'e if trade for Melo guts roster, would there be enough: "I think the combination of us two would be great."

klemen4 · Post #1392 » by **klemen4** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:39 am

How NY intends to sign CP3..... as FA??????????

2012 salaries

1)
20 mil Melo
20 mil Amare
1,5 mil 2011 first rounder
1 mil Fields cap hold
3,5 mil 7 cap holds

14 mil left

2)
20 mil Melo
20 mil Amare
1,5 mil 2011 first rounder
3 mil Mozgov
1 mil Fields cap hold
3 mil 6 cap holds

11,5 mil left

If cap would be at 60 mil in 2012 and CBA proportional to this year.

BigUgly · Post #1393 » by **BigUgly** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:39 am

I agree 100% i would take Free Candy if we could keep Ray . I still would be thrilled to get Anthony but sucks to lose Felton it just feels wrong and dirty

Jay10 · Post #1394 » by **Jay10** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:39 am

why are the knicks adding gallo if everyone knows carmelo isn't going to agree to the nets trade?

tangotai · Post #1395 » by **tangotai** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:40 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:I told you guys like a wwek ago to keep an eye on dolan. Now ya are all wigging out. I told you he would funk up our leverage.

Yes you did. And yes he did. But so did Melo.

Sideline Story · Post #1396 » by **Sideline Story** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:40 am

Li'l Penny wrote:Who are the Denver fillers?

Possibly Anthony Carter.

aggo · Post #1397 » by **aggo** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:40 am

Jay10 wrote:why are the knicks adding gallo if everyone knows carmelo isn't going to agree to the nets trade?

the only way this makes any sense is that he told dolan that he'd sign with the nets if he wasnt traded to the knicks.

aveboogie7 · Post #1398 » by **aveboogie7** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:40 am

NYman15 wrote:AlexKennedyNBA Donnie Walsh and Masai Uriji were on conference call, but their roles have diminished. Source says owners have stepped in to get this done.
7 minutes ago

AlexKennedyNBA James Dolan and Josh Kroenke are extremely involved in these talks. One source went so far as to say that the owners are calling the shots.
10 minutes ago

AlexKennedyNBA Earlier talks had included Landry Fields instead of Danilo Gallinari. However, Denver is pushing for Gallinari and New York is cooperating.
40 minutes ago

AlexKennedyNBA That's more than New York wanted to include, but source confirms that the Knicks are now offering "just about everything" to get this done.
42 minutes ago

AlexKennedyNBA Knicks are offering Gallinari, Felton, Chandler, Curry and a 1st for Anthony, Billups and fillers. Source confirms @SpearsNBAYahoo's report.
43 minutes ago

http://mobile.twitter.com/alexkennedynba

This works for me....You're able to trott out a pretty athletic and talented lineup, maintaing other cap friendly deals (primarily AZ) for secondary moves.

Knicks, you can't have you cake and eat it too. You gotta give to get and this deal is more than fair based upon what Toronto and Cleveland got for trading Bosh and LeBron respectively.

Nuggets just need to get the **** done....I'm sure this will pop off after Sunday's game. I don't think the NBA wants the potential deal to overshadow all-star weekend anymore than it has.

god shammgod · Post #1399 » by **god shammgod** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:41 am

klemen4 wrote:How NY intends to sign CP3..... as FA??????????

2012 salaries

1)
20 mil Melo
20 mil Amare
1,5 mil 2011 first rounder
1 mil Fields cap hold
3,5 mil 7 cap holds

14 mil left

2)
20 mil Melo
20 mil Amare
1,5 mil 2011 first rounder
3 mil Mozgov
1 mil Fields cap hold
3 mil 6 cap holds

11,5 mil left

If cap would be at 60 mil in 2012 and CBA proportional to this year.

well, max contracts will go down too. 14 mill might be enough.

hatnlvr · Post #1400 » by **hatnlvr** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:41 am

NYman15 wrote:
AlexKennedyNBA Knicks are offering Gallinari, Felton, Chandler, Curry and a 1st for Anthony, Billups and fillers. Source confirms @SpearsNBAYahoo's report.
43 minutes ago

http://mobile.twitter.com/alexkennedynba

As much as I want Melo this just seems a little ridiculous.