The Official Boxing Thread

Dry_Fish · Post #1481 » by **Dry_Fish** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:16 am

That was a scary KO

Post #1482 » by **Rich Rane** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:31 am

http://home.comcast.net/~antwuanmax/box ... l-ktfo.gif

eraser_head · Post #1483 » by **eraser_head** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:32 pm

^ OUCH! The slo-mo really looked like a lot of hurt. That Montiel was able to stand after that is a testament to his character...but he was really outclassed

cowboyronnie · Post #1484 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:21 pm

Man, the ref's got to pay closer attention. What was he thinking? Montiel's legs were twitching and he was zombie fighting. Even if the ref missed that, Montiel fell down again trying to stand up and when the ref asked him to walk towards him for the glove check Montiel did not react at all.

cowboyronnie · Post #1485 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:23 pm

eraser_head wrote:^ OUCH! The slo-mo really looked like a lot of hurt. That Montiel was able to stand after that is a testament to his character...but he was really outclassed

Not to denigrate the guy, but he was unconscious. That's his lizard brain acting out of reflex. I don't know if there's anything we could call character involved.

Post #1486 » by **Rich Rane** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:14 pm

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/d0/fullj ... do_mon.jpg

vi3t · Post #1487 » by **vi3t** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:57 pm

just watched it now wow

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Blame Rasho · Post #1488 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:24 am

cowboyronnie wrote:
eraser_head wrote:^ OUCH! The slo-mo really looked like a lot of hurt. That Montiel was able to stand after that is a testament to his character...but he was really outclassed

Not to denigrate the guy, but he was unconscious. That's his lizard brain acting out of reflex. I don't know if there's anything we could call character involved.

Yeah he was out, but the guy natural reaction is to get his ass up. Not everyone has that in them.

Blame Rasho · Post #1489 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:28 am

cowboyronnie wrote:Man, the ref's got to pay closer attention. What was he thinking? Montiel's legs were twitching and he was zombie fighting. Even if the ref missed that, Montiel fell down again trying to stand up and when the ref asked him to walk towards him for the glove check Montiel did not react at all.

Well I think he was giving him the benefit of the doubt... There is an unwritten rule( that I sometimes agree and disagree with ) that you give the champ the benefit of the doubt if he gets up from a knockdown.

Montiel eyes were gone in the same manner that Bute was gone in that 1st Andrade fight... and they let it go. Difference was the timing of the KO. If the bell had sounded... he would have made it to the 3rd round because he made it to his feet.

cowboyronnie · Post #1490 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:38 pm

It's that the ref asked him to walk forward, he physically couldn't, and the ref still let the fight go on. I definitely agree to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that means only to let him stand-up without waving it off at the mere sight of impact. Thin line, I realize. And the ref was quick to jump in. It wasn't a travesty. I was just a little disgusted after having seen him zombie fight on the ground.

SpeedyG · Post #1491 » by **SpeedyG** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:09 am

Wow...that knockout looks SICK.

I'm surprised the ref let him continue on to fight, but he looked out of it after he started twitching on the ground.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #1492 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:25 am

Very surprised that the ref let it continue as well. He couldn't tell that Montiel was completely out of it when he got up? What a sick left hook by Donaire, I believe that is the same punch he tagged Darchinyan with back in 2007. 118 is still a strong division with some really good fighters, so I hope Donaire stays. There isn't much at 122 imo, so he'd probably jump to 126 for either Gamboa or Lopez.

cowboyronnie · Post #1493 » by **cowboyronnie** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:27 am

8 pounds, 9% of his body weight? No way. It'll take ages to move two divisions. Look at Darchinyan's problems moving up to face Agbeko. That was, what, 3 pounds? He had nothing on his punches.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #1494 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:41 am

Its been done before, a recent example is Hozumi Hasegawa moving from 118 after the Montiel fight to 126 to fight Burgos a couple months ago. I don't think Donaire should move up to 126 for his next fight but I can see it happening in 2012 for sure, unless he goes to 122 to fight Vazquez Jr. or Nishioka.

Blame Rasho · Post #1495 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:42 am

cowboyronnie wrote:8 pounds, 9% of his body weight? No way. It'll take ages to move two divisions. Look at Darchinyan's problems moving up to face Agbeko. That was, what, 3 pounds? He had nothing on his punches.

I have to agree with you, what makes Donaire special is that he is huge for his weight class. Compare Donaire body to that of Gamboa for reference and he isn't special. I thought Donaire looked huge compared to Montiel and Vic when he faced them.

Blame Rasho · Post #1496 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:43 am

I think that Montiel might have had problems for the weight class... he went all the way up to 136. It is alot of weight for a small guy. I think he can get his 4th title at 122, it isn't exactly full of talent.

Blame Rasho · Post #1497 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:46 am

GS Warriors 1 wrote:Its been done before, a recent example is Hozumi Hasegawa moving from 118 after the Montiel fight to 126 to fight Burgos a couple months ago. I don't think Donaire should move up to 126 for his next fight but I can see it happening in 2012 for sure, unless he goes to 122 to fight Vazquez Jr. or Nishioka.

Juan Carlos Burgos is a decent fighter, but he isn't Lopez or Gamboa. They are world class fighters at that weight class, Burgos is just a regional beltholder.

cowboyronnie · Post #1498 » by **cowboyronnie** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:47 am

He looks two weight classes different than his opponents, no question. Towers over everyone.

The difference between him and other examples of guys moving up is that he will want to micro-manage much more. He has much more to lose than Hasegawa. He's basically undefeated. They will want to be really careful. If his involvement with Conte is any sign, he's a calculated dude.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #1499 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:55 am

No question about Lopez or Gamboa but my point was that moving from 118 to 126 straight has been done, it could be an option for Donaire, and he seems to be big enough that he could hold the weight. I wouldn't do it if I were him and his team right now but it's something they'll look into. I doubt he fights one of them right after making the move anyway, of course he'll need a tune-up.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #1500 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:59 am

Blame Rasho wrote:I think that Montiel might have had problems for the weight class... he went all the way up to 136. It is alot of weight for a small guy. I think he can get his 4th title at 122, it isn't exactly full of talent.

I think there was talk of him moving up after the fight regardless of result. We'll see how he recovers from such a brutal left hook.