Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011

Post #921 » by **nate33** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 5:42 pm

theboomking wrote:Is the Hawk' pick lotto protected?

As Ruzious put it, there is no chance the Hawks end up in the lottery. The lottery is composed of the 14 non-playoff teams, not the 14 worst teams. The Hawks may indeed end up as the 14th worst team in the league, but they'll make the playoffs in the East and will therefore be out of the lottery.

tontoz · Post #922 » by **tontoz** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:37 pm

Barnes has 12 of Carolinas first 16 points.

Benjammin · Post #923 » by **Benjammin** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:55 pm

tontoz wrote:Barnes has 12 of Carolinas first 16 points.

He needs to sue the rest of his team for non-support.

DMVleGeND · Post #924 » by **DMVleGeND** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:02 pm

Benjammin wrote:
tontoz wrote:Barnes has 12 of Carolinas first 16 points.

He needs to sue the rest of his team for non-support.

Kendall Marshall has made some nice passes though. I think he's the purest passer in the NCAA already only as a freshman.

theboomking · Post #925 » by **theboomking** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:19 pm

Benjammin wrote:
tontoz wrote:Barnes has 12 of Carolinas first 16 points.

He needs to sue the rest of his team for non-support.

Harrison Barnes with 16 at the half. He has NBA range, plays a defined spot, has good but not great athleticism, very good handle, and great character. I wouldn't be that surprised to see him considered a consensus top 3 prospect by the end of the tournament.

DMVleGeND · Post #926 » by **DMVleGeND** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:32 pm

theboomking wrote:
Benjammin wrote:
tontoz wrote:Barnes has 12 of Carolinas first 16 points.

He needs to sue the rest of his team for non-support.

Harrison Barnes with 16 at the half. He has NBA range, plays a defined spot, has good but not great athleticism, very good handle, and great character. I wouldn't be that surprised to see him considered a consensus top 3 prospect by the end of the tournament.

I disagree on this. I think that's the main thing he needs to work on. Whenever I watch him play, he kind of struggles to create shots for himself because of his average handle, and him lacking a great 1st step doesn't help. But I agree on everything else you said though.

The Consiglieri · Post #927 » by **The Consiglieri** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:55 pm

Ed Wood wrote:Well the draft isn't tomorrow or anything so I'm not in a hurry to dismiss anybody other than Jimmer Fredette because attention all you gritty-hustle lovin' dorks, kid can't defend nobody so:

And the refrain about Jones being another McGrady and definitely being a small forward is part of the reason for my concern about him. I'll admit I also haven't seen that much of him but I don't really buy it and I think he'll have to transition to the four in the NBA and I worry that years of having everybody tell him he's so skilled and that he isn't an interior player would complicate the transition, but that's not a concern with much foundation in fact.

Did you read the article in yahoo this week about McGrady? Apparently he came up in that metrics conference that was held, and he was cited as an example of the opposite polarity so to speak of Gladwell's 10,000 thesis from his outliers book. Scouts and a few coaches referenced him as someone that so gifted athletic, and so intelligent in the game that he simply never put in the hours to become something more than a high basketball IQ athlete, because of the ease with which he played and succeeded in the game, hence the problems he's had as a pro, there seemed to be speculation that if things had been a bit more difficult for him he probably would have turned into a better player.

I'm also fearful that Jones may be a guy that simply had it too easy, and hasn't really had obstacles that made him develop work habits necessary for success. That being said, we don't really know much about him, we don't know why the #'s aren't there, and we don't know really all that much about his work habits and all the write ups on his personality seem to suggest he's a good kid although he has recently run into problems (not sure of the nature of any of it, havent dug into it), and it's undeniable that he's physically and athletically a potential star, it's just work and dedication that will determine whether he utilizes his tools to make that happen.

He has to be one of the options, I just can't tell whether or not he's what we should actually want, particularly if other targets like Kanter, and Sully are beyond us.

DaRealHibachi · Post #928 » by **DaRealHibachi** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:12 pm

Barnes is just killing it from downtown...

tontoz · Post #929 » by **tontoz** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:14 pm

DaRealHibachi wrote:Barnes is just killing it from downtown...

He has 29 points on 15 attempts.

Severn Hoos · Post #930 » by **Severn Hoos** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:27 pm

Umm, I think I need to rethink my earlier evaluation of Mr. Barnes....

Still like Sullinger as the best fit for the Wiz - really need his intensity, rebounding, inside scoring, and...maturity.

But Barnes could move into the next slot as my 2nd favorite for the Wiz. Agree with the previous posts that a guy with a defined position trumps the tweener, so I'm starting to think Barnes > Williams.

Now, find a way to add Sullinger AND Barnes....

Post #931 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:44 pm

Severn Hoos wrote:Umm, I think I need to rethink my earlier evaluation of Mr. Barnes....

Still like Sullinger as the best fit for the Wiz - really need his intensity, rebounding, inside scoring, and...maturity.

But Barnes could move into the next slot as my 2nd favorite for the Wiz. Agree with the previous posts that a guy with a defined position trumps the tweener, so I'm starting to think Barnes > Williams.

Now, find a way to add Sullinger AND Barnes....

His strengths and weaknesses would make him a real nice fit for the Wiz at the 3. It'll be interesting how he comes back tomorrow against Duke. I'd think Duke uses their big lineup, so that Singler can match up against Barnes. It does NOT favor Singler, because UNC can always move Henson over defensively and make it a frustrating game for Singler.

pcbothwel · Post #932 » by **pcbothwel** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:45 pm

Dammit...I was hoping Barnes would be there around 4-6...looks like he will go top 4 as long as he doesnt meltdown in the tourney. Hes a legit 2/3 as he will measure in with Josh Smith/Loul Deng type numbers (6'7 barefoot, 215-220 lbs, 7'0+ wingspan). He reminds of Loul Deng with a little NY type "cold-blooded" scorer ability, and smooth (if not quite overly explosive body control and athleticism). I think he would be a great player next to Wall and add a hardworking "step-up in big moments" culture to our mostly weak minded team.

dobrojim · Post #933 » by **dobrojim** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:45 pm

theboomking wrote:Yes, Barnes put up 10 three's, and hit 4. Overall he went 7/13, but he is starting to become the most dominant player on that team, as opposed to the beginning of the year when he was invisible. I don't think he'll be a top 5 player in the NBA, but I don't think we'd regret the pick either, if Barnes was our choice. He'd make a nice complement to Wall on the wing.

I do prefer Kanter, but am unsettled as to how I'd stratify my next 3, barnes, Jones, and Sullijger. It's tempting to put Jones last, but to suggest as others have that he isn't a top 5 to 6 prospect is silly.

Barnes with a monster game to put UNC in the final

A guy who can shoot like that would look pretty good with Wall and Young.

J-Blaze · Post #934 » by **J-Blaze** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:49 pm

we need Perry Jones.. Period!

dobrojim · Post #935 » by **dobrojim** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:57 pm

I think we could easily settle for: Sully, Barnes or Kanter -

I thought Barnes looked _really_ good today (duh). Nice stroke
but was very composed and confident. 6-8 with a body like that
and a stroke like that could end up being a pretty solid NBA player.

plus @ age 18, he figures to get better in a couple years.

Post #936 » by **Rafael122** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:02 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Dammit...I was hoping Barnes would be there around 4-6...looks like he will go top 4 as long as he doesnt meltdown in the tourney. Hes a legit 2/3 as he will measure in with Josh Smith/Loul Deng type numbers (6'7 barefoot, 215-220 lbs, 7'0+ wingspan). He reminds of Loul Deng with a little NY type "cold-blooded" scorer ability, and smooth (if not quite overly explosive body control and athleticism). I think he would be a great player next to Wall and add a hardworking "step-up in big moments" culture to our mostly weak minded team.

Luol Deng couldn't hit a jump shot to save his life when he entered the league. Barnes can, big difference. I'm officially on his bandwagon. He's my top pick, and the kid is very well spoken. At this point, I think we need a top 3 pick to get him.

dobrojim · Post #937 » by **dobrojim** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:07 pm

^+1

If Barnes has a couple more games like this, I can easily see him going top 3,
maybe even if he doesn't as long as he doesn't stink it up either.

he looked smooth

pcbothwel · Post #938 » by **pcbothwel** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:33 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:Dammit...I was hoping Barnes would be there around 4-6...looks like he will go top 4 as long as he doesnt meltdown in the tourney. Hes a legit 2/3 as he will measure in with Josh Smith/Loul Deng type numbers (6'7 barefoot, 215-220 lbs, 7'0+ wingspan). He reminds of Loul Deng with a little NY type "cold-blooded" scorer ability, and smooth (if not quite overly explosive body control and athleticism). I think he would be a great player next to Wall and add a hardworking "step-up in big moments" culture to our mostly weak minded team.

Luol Deng couldn't hit a jump shot to save his life when he entered the league. Barnes can, big difference. I'm officially on his bandwagon. He's my top pick, and the kid is very well spoken. At this point, I think we need a top 3 pick to get him.

But if you took Deng "with a little NY type "cold-blooded" scorer ability, and smooth (if not quite overly explosive body control and athleticism)" like i mentioned you would have what you said.

Also, that post game interview was Grade A stuff from a pros pro. He was happy to get 40 but was much happier in getting the win. He was well spoken, looked the interviewer straight in the eye and told him he was upset in how they have started the last two games and he was focusing on correcting that next game.
He is now at the top of my board too: (does not include Irving)
1 Barnes (Grant Hill)
2 Kanter (Marc Gasol/Horford)
3 Valanciunas (Noah/Omer Asik) (but can shoot much better than either)
4 Williams (Melo/David West)
5 Sullinger (Boozer/Zach Randolph)

Halcyon · Post #939 » by **Halcyon** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:22 pm

Yeah Barnes is nowhere near as versatile as Grant Hill, not really a good comparison. I think he can be a solid 3rd or 4th player on a good team. Marvin Williams with a better mean streak is probably a fair comparison, since Barnes looks more and more like a guy who is willing to step up his game in crunch time. Good athlete, smooth player, can rebound a bit but is going to be finishing plays, not starting them.

DMVleGeND · Post #940 » by **DMVleGeND** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:24 pm

The thing about Barnes is, he seems like a very cerebral player... he's very measured in his approach... very calculated in everything he does so far... you can tell he's still figuring out the NCAA game... but man, he's got some game.

His handle will improve, and although he doesn't have a quick first step right now, he understands spacing, and how to use his intelligence to get himself to the line. This kid's gonna be a great pro.

These are the top-5 players I want the Wizards to draft and my comparisons for them.

1. Enes Kanter (Al Horford)
2. Harrison Barnes (Luol Deng)
3. Perry Jones (Andray Blatche)
4. Jared Sullinger (Elton Brand)
5. Derrick Williams (Michael Beasley)