Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[Scraptor]

I posted this earlier but I'll post again.

I was wondering how the board would about us acquiring another lottery pick. More specifically, from the Pistons and/or Suns. It'd take a bit of wheelin 'n dealin but this is one of BC's strengths. The idea is that we take on one of CV, Gordon or Rip (in that order) and get their lottery pick. It sucks from a financial standpoint but we get another shot at Irving or another top prospect!.

If that doesn't quite workout, their pick is currently projected at 7th and ours at 5. If they land where they're the likeliest to land, we could draft Barnes with our pick and package the 7th pick with someone else to Minny for Rubio OR trade our 5th pick for Rubio and draft T. Jones with the other. I'd rather the first option and I personally don't think Rubio is worth a top 5 pick anymore.

Barnes and Rubio on draft day wouldn't be a bad haul.

I like the thinking but I don't think the MLSE situation will allow for that kind of deal right now. What's more, this is a weak draft, and we might be better served by this kind of trade in 2012.

[JamesNaismith]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI3cDCcuOV8&feature=related[/youtube]

After Irving....Barnes is a must get imo.

[Kevin Willis]

A chart on the four Euros in the current first round mocks, based on Euroleague numbers.

http://www.in-the-game.org/wp-content/u ... lyou11.jpg

Thanks for the chart. Jan doesn't show badly for a SF. 57 TS is not that bad. FT percentage is horrid though but wow does he like to play in the paint with the big boys.

Bogdanovic is well-rounded for sure. But Vesely has a better 3pt % if you can believe that. Jonas and Vesely are both doing well. A level ahead of the other two. I just have a gut feeling we draft Vesely and that half the board self-combusts in disgust. But a front-line of Vesely - Bargs - Davis is so freakin' long and Vesely can be quite good. Vesely is a thief too...

[God Squad]

I posted this earlier but I'll post again.

I was wondering how the board would about us acquiring another lottery pick. More specifically, from the Pistons and/or Suns. It'd take a bit of wheelin 'n dealin but this is one of BC's strengths. The idea is that we take on one of CV, Gordon or Rip (in that order) and get their lottery pick. It sucks from a financial standpoint but we get another shot at Irving or another top prospect!.

If that doesn't quite workout, their pick is currently projected at 7th and ours at 5. If they land where they're the likeliest to land, we could draft Barnes with our pick and package the 7th pick with someone else to Minny for Rubio OR trade our 5th pick for Rubio and draft T. Jones with the other. I'd rather the first option and I personally don't think Rubio is worth a top 5 pick anymore.

Barnes and Rubio on draft day wouldn't be a bad haul.

I agree, It would be a great haul. But thats wishful thinking to the fullest right now.

[Rapsfan07]

I posted this earlier but I'll post again.

I was wondering how the board would about us acquiring another lottery pick. More specifically, from the Pistons and/or Suns. It'd take a bit of wheelin 'n dealin but this is one of BC's strengths. The idea is that we take on one of CV, Gordon or Rip (in that order) and get their lottery pick. It sucks from a financial standpoint but we get another shot at Irving or another top prospect!.

If that doesn't quite workout, their pick is currently projected at 7th and ours at 5. If they land where they're the likeliest to land, we could draft Barnes with our pick and package the 7th pick with someone else to Minny for Rubio OR trade our 5th pick for Rubio and draft T. Jones with the other. I'd rather the first option and I personally don't think Rubio is worth a top 5 pick anymore.

Barnes and Rubio on draft day wouldn't be a bad haul.

I like the thinking but I don't think the MLSE situation will allow for that kind of deal right now. What's more, this is a weak draft, and we might be better served by this kind of trade in 2012.

I don't really see why not. We could do a Barbosa and/or Evans trade to make room for the incoming contract. Ideally you'd want to grab CV since his contract is the most bearable out of the rest but still isn't pretty. That way, we can take on the player and get a pick for it.

Also Calderon to Portland for Miller + pick wouldn't be bad either and is a pretty sensible move for Portland. The only problem we would have is having Bargnani AND CV on the roster at the same time so ideally, you find a new home for Bargs whose contract is longer and more expensive. CV gives us almost the same thing, but at a cheaper price. I'm not a HUGE fan of Rubio but if he is attainable this way, I think you take it. If it's likely that Minny won't trade Rubio OR Rubio doesn't want to come here then obviously you forget the whole thing but if you can get a cheaper Bargnani on a shorter contract and Rubio OR a shot at Irving, I think it would be wise to pull the trigger. Something like

Evans + Barbosa + Alabi for CV + pick followed up with a Suns trade of something like Bargs for Lopez + pick or Lopez and TPE or something should send on our way, IMO.

[ballislife]

Just for fun... if UConn wins the national championship, and Kemba Walker gets them there... does he get drafted top 5? top 3? Why or why not?

[ATLTimekeeper]

I endured the Simmons-Ford podcast. There's some ok insight.

-Freddette seems to be gaining speed. Ford thinks he'll go late lottery. Simmons said he could see him go 5-7 range, but that might have to do with the Utah connection.
-Ford thinks Irving won't be anything special. Simmons thinks he should stay in school.
-They both love Terrence Jones. I may have heard incorrectly, but I think Simmons even saw him as a potential #1 pick.
-Ford says consensus is Derrick Williams is a top 5 pick by scouts. No one has him outside of their top 5, which seems like he might be the "safe" pick.
-Sullinger being touted as a better Big Baby Davis, they made this sound like a positive for such a high pick, but I imagine that has to do with some homerism.
-Ford loves Kemba, but also questioned his height listing. Thinks he's sub 6 for sure.
-Simmons says that Barnes drifts through games. Ford says he has the knack for making big shots, which he sees as a sign that he could evolve into something better than he's already shown.

[ItsDanger]

Re:Henson, judging from the pix, he has a small frame and might always be weaker than his counterparts. Arent we tired of skinny guys by now?

[Lakonomy]

A chart on the four Euros in the current first round mocks, based on Euroleague numbers.

http://www.in-the-game.org/wp-content/u ... lyou11.jpg

Holy sh*t at some of the Valanciunas #s. 90% of shots are at the rim? 75% TS percentage and 70% eFG%? A defensive rebounding % at over 30% and an offensive rebounding % at over 14%? Those are insane #s, especially considering the the euroleague is much more physical than the NCAA.

[tcee]

i don't know how the bleacher report is regarded on realgm, but:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6341 ... ick/page/1

provides a summary of nbadraft.net's mock draft

[tecumseh18]

A chart on the four Euros in the current first round mocks, based on Euroleague numbers.

http://www.in-the-game.org/wp-content/u ... lyou11.jpg

Holy sh*t at some of the Valanciunas #s. 90% of shots are at the rim? 75% TS percentage and 70% eFG%? A defensive rebounding % at over 30% and an offensive rebounding % at over 14%? Those are insane #s, especially considering the the euroleague is much more physical than the NCAA.

Present trends continuing, I think we have a >75% shot at either Irving, Barnes or Valanciunas. And I'm fine with that.

[Rhettmatic]

Jimmer Fredette's family wants him to go to the Knicks. Andy Rautins' family does not want that.

DraftExpress currently predicts Jimmer will go 13th (to the Phoenix Suns) in the 2011 NBA draft, although his stock fluctuates with questions about his size, speed, and defense. What isn't a concern is his endorsement potential: One agent said companies are lining up to use his squeaky-clean image and market his electrifying game and trouble-free persona.

The ideal NBA landing pad for both brothers - basketball for Jimmer, music for T.J. - would be New York.

"We want him to go to the Knicks," T.J. said without hesitation. "That's our team."

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/col ... z1GghFElvM

They can have him.

[5DOM]

At least he grew up in NY. So it makes sense

[Dr Positivity]

No way Fredette lasts until the Knicks pick, IMO. I'm beginning to think he's a 5-8 guy

[Silk Wilkes]

If we pick Fredette God help us all.

[wanker]

No way Fredette lasts until the Knicks pick, IMO. I'm beginning to think he's a 5-8 guy

If by "5-8" you mean 5-8 mpg in the NBA, then sure, he's a "5-8 guy."

[Double Helix]

If Jimmer Friddette actually had good PG instincts people would be talking about him a lot differently. I know I would. I heard the Mark Price comparisons before but they're way off. I loved Mark Price growing up. In my opinion, the guy was one of the most underrated PGs of the late 80s/early 90s but like arguably the best and most heralded PG of the past couple decades, John Stockton, he played in the Jordan era so his accomplishments seemed, well, third tier. He was a great player though. Anyway, I digress. Fredette isn't anywhere near the PG that Price was obviously. I don't see the PG instincts in Fredette and he's not tall enough to be Reddick so the only 6'3 succesful super shooter I can think of is Jeff Hornacek as an "upside comparison." I've also heard Stephen Curry and while I'll admit I was a little leery of Curry's transition from big-time scorer to PG I see less tools in Fredette. He'd be like a less athletic, less penetrating, worse passing, worse defending Stephen Curry which... to me... doesn't sound particularly exciting, especially against some of the true assassin PGs that are on the rise in the NBA.

[plainballing]

Any one notice the RGM Mock Draft lately?...I have to pad the wood hard when I am typing this. Notice they said it is like 2006 draft...then after the read a bit...I found another Italian shooting big a little later in the article...NO WAY!

Anyways, I am very interested in rather the board like Barnes more or Perry Jones? I personally think Barnes will be better for us (and we are gonna trade for Ricky Rubio!)

[ATLTimekeeper]

I share the same opinion about Jimmer. And any team drafting him has to worry how he'll adjust from having the ball every single possession and taking ego shots to being brought off the bench, being coached, etc. I don't really care that he plays in prison to toughen himself up. That's a gimmick, and he's still the best player. That being said, he'll go late lottery because he's a name and this draft is terrible. If he has a great tourney run he could fool some mid-lotto teams.

[5DOM]

If Jimmer Friddette actually had good PG instincts people would be talking about him a lot differently. I know I would. I heard the Mark Price comparisons before but they're way off. I loved Mark Price growing up. In my opinion, the guy was one of the most underrated PGs of the late 80s/early 90s but like arguably the best and most heralded PG of the past couple decades, John Stockton, he played in the Jordan era so his accomplishments seemed, well, third tier. He was a great player though. Anyway, I digress. Fredette isn't anywhere near the PG that Price was obviously. I don't see the PG instincts in Fredette and he's not tall enough to be Reddick so the only 6'3 succesful super shooter I can think of is Jeff Hornacek as an "upside comparison." I've also heard Stephen Curry and while I'll admit I was a little leery of Curry's transition from big-time scorer to PG I see less tools in Fredette. He'd be like a less athletic, less penetrating, worse passing, worse defending Stephen Curry which... to me... doesn't sound particularly exciting, especially against some of the true assassin PGs that are on the rise in the NBA.

I think Jimmer has the strength and skills to be a good scorer in the NBA. I certainly wouldn't mind picking up a Jeff Hornacek either (probably not with the 5th overall pick but if we drop a few spots in the next months, I'd seriously think about it)