What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling?

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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#81 » by Spicy P » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:53 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:Why are there so many Toronto fans in here? Is there still resentment about not being able to unload Jose Caleron on the Bobcats? It's time to move on guys. As for DeMar vs. Henderson (which always seems to happen):

DeRozan was an 8.6 pts, 2.9 reb, 0.7 ast, and 0.6 stl player in his first FULL year.
Henderson is an 8.6 pts, 2.8 reb, 1.2 ast, 0.6 stl player in his first FULL year.

And Henderson's isn't truly a full season as he had to deal with LB for another 28 games and came off the bench for another 30 or so behind Jackson/Wallace. Even still, saying either one is going to be better, at least based on the basic numbers, is a homer. Neither one can shoot a three pointer to save their lives, both play good defense, and score in the same ways. There isn't anything to say one is going to be better than the other, at least in my eyes.


lmao at this guy comparing DeRozan's rookie season stats to Henderson's current season stats.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#82 » by amcoolio » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:05 pm

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SWEDD523 wrote:Why are there so many Toronto fans in here? Is there still resentment about not being able to unload Jose Caleron on the Bobcats? It's time to move on guys. As for DeMar vs. Henderson (which always seems to happen):

DeRozan was an 8.6 pts, 2.9 reb, 0.7 ast, and 0.6 stl player in his first FULL year.
Henderson is an 8.6 pts, 2.8 reb, 1.2 ast, 0.6 stl player in his first FULL year.

And Henderson's isn't truly a full season as he had to deal with LB for another 28 games and came off the bench for another 30 or so behind Jackson/Wallace. Even still, saying either one is going to be better, at least based on the basic numbers, is a homer. Neither one can shoot a three pointer to save their lives, both play good defense, and score in the same ways. There isn't anything to say one is going to be better than the other, at least in my eyes.


lmao at this guy comparing DeRozan's rookie season stats to Henderson's current season stats.


????

Hendo didn't play at all his rookie season, nor the first half of this season. DeRozan has played 1000 more minutes. Its not Charlotte's fault Toronto was so bad and so thin at the wings and had such a bad coach that allowed DeRozan the green light to do whatever he wants and then trying to use those stats to justify him being better
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#83 » by Lionel Messi » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:16 pm

X-Factor wrote:How can so many people agree to J. Rich but not think to mention Eric Gordon is a bit surprising to me.

I still see his ceiling as a poor man's Eric Gordon.


It's a good comparison, mostly because Eric Gordon is a two way player. Henderson right now is a good defender, but his offensive skills are lacking. He has some mid-range game (which is why Stun felt the need to say he has the potential to be as good as Kobe) but he has basically nothing from 3-15 feet. Most of his attempts and makes are form 16-23 feet.

So yeah, I could see him being like Eric Gordon. Good defender, can put up 17 or so ppg on adequate efficiency (53%TS).
Basically DeRozan now with very good D.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#84 » by Kaner » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:18 pm

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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#85 » by Kal El » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:48 pm

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Grammar Nazi says you're dumb.


being grammatically incorrect while typing in a message board, ill take it. but all you can find wrong with my statement was grammar lol. glad to know my statement was left unchallenged.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#86 » by Marvel » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:51 pm

henderson scouting report for those who are curious
stengths
- excellent defender, can guard 1s, 2s and 3s, but obviously best covering 2s.
- quick hands, active, moves feet on defense, gets his hands on a lot of deflections - but not really a high steals guy since he doesnt gamble much. more of an in your face, lock you down, stay in front of you type defender.
- high bball IQ. son of former NBA player. 3 years at Duke.
- extremely confident, but not in an arrogant way. he believes in his talents and is not afraid to step up to challenges, whether its taking a big shot or accepting the challenge of guarding the other team's best wing .
- has solid mid-range jumper out to college 3pt line - uses step back to get free for looks and has a nice stroke coming off baseline curls. can shoot off screens as well as shoot off dribble.
- fantastic athlete

weaknesses
- has little to no 3pt range
- ballhandling needs work, favors right hand too much
- doesnt get to free-throw line as much as someone with his athleticism should
- needs to work on finishing at the rim
- not really a player who creates for others
- inconsistent

based on what i have seen this season i think henderson's ceiling is somewhere around a very solid starter, 3rd option on a playoff team, defensive stopper. its possible his ceiling could rise if he develops a 3pt shot and works on his ballhandling. those are the two main areas keeping him from taking his game to the next level.


I'd add:
- footwork
- ability to finish with left hand

as weaknessess to your list.

And no Stun ain't trippin, Hendo will be an elite defender soon enough.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#87 » by Lionel Messi » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:54 pm

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Dude change your sig. I don't know if it's a joke or what but the future is anything but bright when Boobie Gibson and JJ Hickson are your two main young players.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#88 » by IllinoisReppa20 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:03 pm

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:rofl: oh man


Dude change your sig. I don't know if it's a joke or what but the future is anything but bright when Boobie Gibson and JJ Hickson are you're two main young players.


Says the raptors fan.. classic
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#89 » by Uncle Jeff » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:17 pm

Dude change your sig. I don't know if it's a joke or what but the future is anything but bright when Boobie Gibson and JJ Hickson are you're two main young players.[/quote]

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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#90 » by X-Factor » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:23 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:
It's a good comparison, mostly because Eric Gordon is a two way player. Henderson right now is a good defender, but his offensive skills are lacking. He has some mid-range game (which is why Stun felt the need to say he has the potential to be as good as Kobe) but he has basically nothing from 3-15 feet. Most of his attempts and makes are form 16-23 feet.

So yeah, I could see him being like Eric Gordon. Good defender, can put up 17 or so ppg on adequate efficiency (53%TS).
Basically DeRozan now with very good D.


I still don't see it. You don't compare a prospect to the 2nd greatest SG of all time because he has a decent mid and is a solid defender. That isn't all that their is to Kobe's game.

If he was to say something along the lines of a poor man's Kobe Bryant without the offensive repertoire, ball handling ability, 3 point range, ability to get to the line or finish at the rim and inability to create his own shot I could totally understand. But he said his ceiling is Kobe Bryant.

Kobe Bryant is about as high as any prospect in the league's ceiling is going to get and Gerald Henderson ceiling sure as hell aint that high.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#91 » by IllinoisReppa20 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:29 pm

Uncle Jeff wrote:Dude change your sig. I don't know if it's a joke or what but the future is anything but bright when Boobie Gibson and JJ Hickson are you're two main young players.


Says the raptors fan.. classic[/quote]
Derozan and Ed Davis are better than them. Just sayin.[/quote]

Yes .. strongly supported by their 6 whole more wins this season after the best player in the nba left them.... soooooo much better
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#92 » by Indy2thaWindy » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:40 pm

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:rofl: oh man


Dude change your sig. I don't know if it's a joke or what but the future is anything but bright when Boobie Gibson and JJ Hickson are you're two main young players.


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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#93 » by jumpman28 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:42 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
A slightly better version of Gerald Henderson.


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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#94 » by LBJ6GOAT » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:46 pm

amcoolio wrote:
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SWEDD523 wrote:Why are there so many Toronto fans in here? Is there still resentment about not being able to unload Jose Caleron on the Bobcats? It's time to move on guys. As for DeMar vs. Henderson (which always seems to happen):

DeRozan was an 8.6 pts, 2.9 reb, 0.7 ast, and 0.6 stl player in his first FULL year.
Henderson is an 8.6 pts, 2.8 reb, 1.2 ast, 0.6 stl player in his first FULL year.

And Henderson's isn't truly a full season as he had to deal with LB for another 28 games and came off the bench for another 30 or so behind Jackson/Wallace. Even still, saying either one is going to be better, at least based on the basic numbers, is a homer. Neither one can shoot a three pointer to save their lives, both play good defense, and score in the same ways. There isn't anything to say one is going to be better than the other, at least in my eyes.


lmao at this guy comparing DeRozan's rookie season stats to Henderson's current season stats.


????

Hendo didn't play at all his rookie season, nor the first half of this season. DeRozan has played 1000 more minutes. Its not Charlotte's fault Toronto was so bad and so thin at the wings and had such a bad coach that allowed DeRozan the green light to do whatever he wants and then trying to use those stats to justify him being better

SO? Its still his ROOKIE season, you can't being comparing his SOPHMORE season to his ROOKIE season.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#95 » by Stun704 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:02 pm

LBJ6GOAT wrote:
amcoolio wrote:
SalamiNCheez wrote:
lmao at this guy comparing DeRozan's rookie season stats to Henderson's current season stats.


????

Hendo didn't play at all his rookie season, nor the first half of this season. DeRozan has played 1000 more minutes. Its not Charlotte's fault Toronto was so bad and so thin at the wings and had such a bad coach that allowed DeRozan the green light to do whatever he wants and then trying to use those stats to justify him being better

SO? Its still his ROOKIE season, you can't being comparing his SOPHMORE season to his ROOKIE season.
Thats like saying this is Blake Griffins Sophmore season not rookie season, his logic is sound yours isn't.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#96 » by Stun704 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:04 pm

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Lionel Messi wrote:
It's a good comparison, mostly because Eric Gordon is a two way player. Henderson right now is a good defender, but his offensive skills are lacking. He has some mid-range game (which is why Stun felt the need to say he has the potential to be as good as Kobe) but he has basically nothing from 3-15 feet. Most of his attempts and makes are form 16-23 feet.

So yeah, I could see him being like Eric Gordon. Good defender, can put up 17 or so ppg on adequate efficiency (53%TS).
Basically DeRozan now with very good D.


I still don't see it. You don't compare a prospect to the 2nd greatest SG of all time because he has a decent mid and is a solid defender. That isn't all that their is to Kobe's game.

If he was to say something along the lines of a poor man's Kobe Bryant without the offensive repertoire, ball handling ability, 3 point range, ability to get to the line or finish at the rim and inability to create his own shot I could totally understand. But he said his ceiling is Kobe Bryant.

Kobe Bryant is about as high as any prospect in the league's ceiling is going to get and Gerald Henderson ceiling sure as hell aint that high.

he has comparable athleticism and work ethic, intangibles and BBIQ
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#97 » by Lionel Messi » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:07 pm

IllinoisReppa20 wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:
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:rofl: oh man


Dude change your sig. I don't know if it's a joke or what but the future is anything but bright when Boobie Gibson and JJ Hickson are you're two main young players.


Says the raptors fan.. classic


Does my sig say "future is bright"? In any case, Boobie Gibson and JJ Hickson wouldn't even crack the top 4 young players on the Raptors.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#98 » by Lionel Messi » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:08 pm

X-Factor wrote:
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It's a good comparison, mostly because Eric Gordon is a two way player. Henderson right now is a good defender, but his offensive skills are lacking. He has some mid-range game (which is why Stun felt the need to say he has the potential to be as good as Kobe) but he has basically nothing from 3-15 feet. Most of his attempts and makes are form 16-23 feet.

So yeah, I could see him being like Eric Gordon. Good defender, can put up 17 or so ppg on adequate efficiency (53%TS).
Basically DeRozan now with very good D.


I still don't see it. You don't compare a prospect to the 2nd greatest SG of all time because he has a decent mid and is a solid defender. That isn't all that their is to Kobe's game.

If he was to say something along the lines of a poor man's Kobe Bryant without the offensive repertoire, ball handling ability, 3 point range, ability to get to the line or finish at the rim and inability to create his own shot I could totally understand. But he said his ceiling is Kobe Bryant.

Kobe Bryant is about as high as any prospect in the league's ceiling is going to get and Gerald Henderson ceiling sure as hell aint that high.


I agree completely, Stun is a joke, I'm just saying that's why he thought that comparison made any sense at all.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#99 » by Egg Nog » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:10 pm

Jeff23 wrote:He reminds me of mitch ritchmond .


Possibly the worst comparison ever.
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Re: What is Gerald Henderson's ceiling? 

Post#100 » by Stun704 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:10 pm

Lets compare Hendos and Derozens last head to head matchup

D.Derozan 30 Mins 11 pts 3 rebs 1 steal 1 block 0 ast 2 turnovers 30% FG

G.Henderson 39 mins 18 pts 4 rebs 4 steals 2 ast 1 block 1 turnover 53% FG

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