Reignman wrote:CunningLinguist wrote:MEDIC wrote:Two reasons I don't want Perry Jones:
1. I don't want a tweener. I want somebody who has played a particular position for years, knows the position & knows that he's working hard to get better at that position. I'm sick of experiments. Can he play NBA SF? Can he play NBA PF? Nobody knows. He seems to want to play SF. Does he want to play SF because he is soft/ weak & doesn't want to bang down low? All these big tall guys wanting to play a finess game these days.........the chances of him becoming another Durant are very slim.
2. Doesn't sound like a competitor & sounds kinda soft.
I'd rather take a 6'7" or 6'8" player that we know can play SF. We already have a 6'10"+ player that wants to play like a SF instead of a big.
What happened to people wanting to build a more traditional team?
I think the term tweener gets misused/overused. I see Perry as a face up 4 similar to Chris Bosh, only with better ballhandling and passing skills. Obviously he'll need to bulk up some to work in the post. There's plenty of time for that as he's only 19. When he gets to league and realizes he can't guard SFs hopefully he'll understand that he's more suited for the 4.
Derrick Williams is another guy described as a tweener who I see as a slightly undersized 4. The only SF aspect of his game is the ability to hit open 3s. His ability to guard that position is also unproven.
The one guy that gets labelled a tweener that I think is most suitable for the SF position is Terrence Jones. He has the ballhandling and passing skills and he's shown that he can guard smaller players.
Do not agree. It's actually a term that should be used more often. There's a ton of players that get drafted high because of teams getting enamoured with "size to skill" and not looking at their tweener status and then those players fail to reach their perceived ceilings.
For every Durant there's a Bargnani, Beasley and Tyrus Thomas.
I'm extremely weary of players that haven't shown they can defend the position they will likely play in the league and right now in this draft there's at least 3 or 4 guys that fall into that category: P Jones, D Will, T Jones and even Sullinger.
This is why I'm so high on Barnes, there's nothing tweener-ish about him, he's a prototypical SF that is a very good defender/rebounder at his position and has above average height/length for the position. Outside of Irving, Barnes, Val and possibly Kanter every other projected top 7-8 picks have serious questions about the position they will play because of size issues or skill issues, mainly on the defensive end.
I hope "two way" potential is high on BC's list when he's scouting these players. From the last two drafts I'd say it is.
I believe one should differentiate between those players that have no NBA position (tweeners) and those that have the versatility to play more than one position. If Perry Jones didn't have ballhandling and passing skills that have some considering him as a SF, why couldn't he simply be viewed as a PF who needs to grow into his body.
To me a true tweener, would not have value at any position (i.e. lacking the size or skillset for that position). Does the fact that Lamar Odom has the size to play PF and the skillset to play SF make him a useless tweener too?
I agree with you in regard to Barnes being ideally suited to the small forward position. I would say the same of Terrence Jones as well though. He has some SF skills that are superior to Barnes (handle/passing).
