Draft Thread Continued. 2011 part two...

thinker07 · Post #841 » by **thinker07** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:44 pm

Well at least Jones will now be an option for someone - not to be assumed this year -- He, Brandon Knight and Deandre Liggins just declared for the draft although they won't hire agents.

Dat2U · Post #842 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:18 pm

jivelikenice wrote:Whats the consensus here on Terence Jones? At the beginning of the season I was extremely high on him but he seemed to battle inconsistency as the season wore on. I still like the talent level though and think he can be an asset in the half court running a lot of pick up pop with Wall and I think he projects to be able to post up other small forwards he goes against. The obvious #1 choice is Derrick Williams, but we can do worse than Jones with our lotto pick.

I've soured on him a bit. He's versatile but isn't a great athlete and I wonder if that will negate some of his ballhandling ability at the 3 at the next level. What position does he play? If he was 6-10 I'd be higher on him but if he's 6-8 or under he's locked into that tweener category.

And it didn't help his cause that over the second half of the season that he was arguably Kentucky's 4th or 5th best player. Knight, Liggins & Harrelson were all more impressive in my opinion.

In this draft he's not someone I'd be looking to draft in the top 5 or 6.

Dat2U · Post #843 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:27 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Count me in on the "Honeycutt at 18" bandwagon. Didn't see him play until the Tourney but he strikes me as a guy that can contribute right away and eventually be the glue guy that good teams need. Basically everything Effries never was.

Yup, smart basketball player as well. If we get say...Kanter or Williams with a top pick, Honeycutt with our 18th pick, I'd call that a successful draft. I think we should consider trading our 2nd round pick this year for a 2nd round pick next year. 2012 draft is going to be deep.

I like some of the characteristics of Honeycutt & Singleton but I can't help thinking that drafting a wing player with questionable shooting ability isn't an ideal scenario with John Wall. We need guys to space the floor and neither Honeycutt or Singleton have showed the ability to do that.

Our biggest problem this year IMO was our inefficiency on offense. Wall, Blatche, Crawford et all had no problem creating shots but struggled mightly to make them. It's one thing to add an offensively challenged 4/5 that can impact a game defensively, I'm all for that b/c you can't win w/o at least two quality defenders in the post. But on the wings we need shot makers. Especially with Nick's status up in the air & Shard on his last legs. Honeycutt & Singleton aren't shot makers and that would likely keep me from selecting either in the draft. Both might turn out to be good players but I don't think they're good fits with Wall unless you can surround them with 3 other shooters.

closg00 · Post #844 » by **closg00** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:06 pm

bakedziti (baltimore)

With potential lottery picks dropping out of the draft like flies, where does this leave the Wizards? If they luck out and can land Williams, they have a pretty solid, young, athletic core of Wall, Crawford, Booker, Williams, and McGee. Who do you see the Wiz taking if D. Will is off the board, and can they pull off a Clippers-style breakout year?

Chad Ford (1:57 PM)

Wizards don't need Kyrie Irving. So if they don't get their hands on Derrick Williams, I wonder if they won't try to move out of the draft.

Ford musing....

Dat2U · Post #845 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:21 pm

Ford musing but will Teddy be okay with it? Or is Teddy so draft centric that he mandates we stay in there and we draft whoever.

I'm all for trading out the draft if Williams is off the board and I'm a big believer in building through the draft. But this is not the year to do so.

closg00 · Post #846 » by **closg00** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:31 pm

What do you guys think about draft and stashing with the lottery pick? (5-7th assuming bad trade offers & no Williams or Kanter). We roll with our 18th and high 2nd round picks and go-ahead and take 18 y/o Jonas Valanciunas, letting him play overseas for a few years.

fishercob · Post #847 » by **fishercob** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:41 pm

Dat2U wrote:Ford musing but will Teddy be okay with it? Or is Teddy so draft centric that he mandates we stay in there and we draft whoever.

I'm all for trading out the draft if Williams is off the board and I'm a big believer in building through the draft. But this is not the year to do so.

I'm not worried. The Caps have traded draft picks before. Ted's not stupid. Just because he has espoused a belief in building through the draft doesn't mean every single pick must be used immediately. I'd be surprised if we added three more rookies to next year's roster (but this may be moot if we don't have much of a next year).

Building through the draft and trading our lotto pick are also not mutually exclusive. If one of the high upside Euros drops to 18 or 34, I can definitely see us drafting one and hoping they develop over the next few years (we'll have enough guys to develop on the home front).

I think the biggest problem with trading our lotto pick is that the people are going to be disappointed in the return. We got some salary relief, Miller and Foye for the #5 a couple years ago in what was also thought to be a weak draft -- but not this weak. What could do you all reasonably expect Ernie to get for the right to draft Kanter or Valentine or Kemba Walker or Terrence Jones? A weak draft is a weak draft.

fishercob · Post #848 » by **fishercob** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:43 pm

closg00 wrote:What do you guys think about draft and stashing with the lottery pick? (5-7th assuming bad trade offers & no Williams or Kanter). We roll with our 18th and high 2nd round picks and go-ahead and take 18 y/o Jonas Valanciunas, letting him play overseas for a few years.

I wouldn't be opposed to the concept, but have pretty grave concerns about Jonas. Seems like a stiff to me. I'd be more interested in Vesely -- see if he can develop that jumper and become Batum-like. Sort of a better Omri Casspi.

Benjammin · Post #849 » by **Benjammin** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:50 pm

fishercob wrote:
closg00 wrote:What do you guys think about draft and stashing with the lottery pick? (5-7th assuming bad trade offers & no Williams or Kanter). We roll with our 18th and high 2nd round picks and go-ahead and take 18 y/o Jonas Valanciunas, letting him play overseas for a few years.

I wouldn't be opposed to the concept, but have pretty grave concerns about Jonas. Seems like a stiff to me. I'd be more interested in Vesely -- see if he can develop that jumper and become Batum-like. Sort of a better Omri Casspi.

Other than some comparisons to AK47 everything I've read indicated that Jan V will have serious trouble on the perimeter guarding 3s. So I'm not interested in him. I would be more interested in Biyombo or Jonas V.

REDardWIZskin · Post #850 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:15 pm

A couple of things we'll have to wait on for a good judgment of T Jones. Mainly what his measurements are. I actually read that he was a good ball handler and was a guard until he had a late growth spurt in HS so he should be able to play the 3. He probably doesn't have nba range quite yet but he can work on it. He's got good touch and I like that he knows when to use his power and when to use his touch around the basket. could be an option though. He not a duplicate of Book bc he actually has offense and can score creating or in a spot up 19 ft situation. defense is a ? tho

REDardWIZskin · Post #851 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:29 pm

I don't want any guards with the first 3 picks. There are so many this yr that we could buy a pick late for a guy who really impresses in a workout or just pick someone up. The talent is so even that it may not be worth even buying a late pick though because we don't know who's game will translate.

I'm going Williams/ Faried/ Benson for my 3 picks

Post #852 » by **Rafael122** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:39 pm

The NBA Draft Lottery couldn't get here quick enough.

fishercob · Post #853 » by **fishercob** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:46 pm

May 17.

REDardWIZskin · Post #854 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:46 pm

agreed Raf. hopefully luck will be with us. But if the lottery is fixed, which i believe that it is, it could be bad for us. I don't think Ted's hard cap comment will sit well with Stern's handing out of the selections this yr. :nonono:

Post #855 » by **Rafael122** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:56 pm

REDardWIZskin wrote:agreed Raf. hopefully luck will be with us. But if the lottery is fixed, which i believe that it is, it could be bad for us. I don't think Ted's hard cap comment will sit well with Stern's handing out of the selections this yr.

All I want is a top 3 pick. It doesn't even have to be the top pick, #2 or #3 is fine.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #856 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:21 am

Personally, I have no desire or interest in drafting a euro to stash. We've had enough Pecherov, Veeramenko, Ramos, Navarro scenarios. And we already have Seraphin who still needs to develope. I also don't want to trade for future picks.

Look, I'm all for the youth movement. But look how long it takes for guys to mature now! I mean guys like Young and Mcgee are just beginning to show signs of maybe becoming players. I'd like to be good sometime this decade!

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #857 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:26 am

I'm fine with Kanter. But some of these other names and long term stash and future pick scenarios are the wrong way to go. That's the kinda stuff you do when your already good, like the Spurs, to position yourself for long term success, after already reaching an initial level of success.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #858 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:35 am

My Wizards board would look 1. Williams 2. Kanter 3. T.Jones with our 1st pick. 1. Markieff Morris 2. Justin Harper 3. Kenneth Faried 4. Nolan Smith 5. Singleton with the 18. 2nd round I got 1. Honeycutt 2. Hansbrough 3. Singler 4. Holiday

sfam · Post #859 » by **sfam** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:40 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Personally, I have no desire or interest in drafting a euro to stash. We've had enough Pecherov, Veeramenko, Ramos, Navarro scenarios.

Could not. Agree. More!

No Eurotrash, er, Eurostash.

hands11 · Post #860 » by **hands11** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:43 am

jivelikenice wrote:Whats the consensus here on Terence Jones? At the beginning of the season I was extremely high on him but he seemed to battle inconsistency as the season wore on. I still like the talent level though and think he can be an asset in the half court running a lot of pick up pop with Wall and I think he projects to be able to post up other small forwards he goes against. The obvious #1 choice is Derrick Williams, but we can do worse than Jones with our lotto pick.

Just say no

Ouh kay