Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

Silk Wilkes · Post #1181 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:19 am

fredericklove wrote:
MEDIC wrote:
Youngblood wrote:It's time to start calling him "The Natural" imo.

YEAH!

Enes "The Natural" Kanter

He did say that he wanted to become a WWE wrestler after his playing days are done.....

He's got another nickname too then. *The Heartbreak Turkish Kid*

I thought he was Underkanter :-?

Moxie · Post #1182 » by **Moxie** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:23 am

Reignman wrote:Honest question about Kanter, do people feel he is being underrated, overrated or placed just about right (in the mix with Val/Walker) in this draft?

How can anyone give an informed answer? He hasn't played in a year. The last time he played, Harrison Barnes was by consensus the next dominant swingman. Once we saw Barnes play at NC, we could actually evaluate him against challenging competition, and lo and behold, he isn't a dominant player at all.

You can't say Kanter would have been the best big man in college. I can't say he would have been a bust. We don't have enough information. But if Harrison Barnes could fool everyone the way he did in high school, it is just as possible that Enes Kanter fooled us as well, and now he is coasting on completely incorrect hype to a top 3 selection.

He isn't a 'safe' pick at all.

HSOB SIRHC · Post #1183 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:25 am

Has this video been posted before? I assume it has. Kanter is 17 in there and I definitely like what I see, specially for a 17 year old. Something interesting though, at 1:05 is he standing next to Jonas? Looks a couple inches shorter but again, they're 17 at the time.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EKx7PLDyFY[/youtube]

Silk Wilkes · Post #1184 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:25 am

SkywalkerAC wrote:
well, Perkins is 6'10 with a 7'4 wingspan (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ken ... kins-3919/) and KG is one of the longest players in the league so I think it's a pretty reasonable estimate.

Kanter was 6'10" 260 with a 7'1" wingspan at age 17 so I think it's a pretty reasonable comment.

fredericklove · Post #1185 » by **fredericklove** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:26 am

Youngblood wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
MEDIC wrote:

YEAH!

Enes "The Natural" Kanter

He did say that he wanted to become a WWE wrestler after his playing days are done.....

He's got another nickname too then. *The Heartbreak Turkish Kid*

I thought he was Underkanter

He's a heartbreaker to the raps fans if we find out he can't hang with the big boys in the nba. Until if he plays like Underkanter in the paint, brings fear and death to his opponents, then he can truly deserve the UNDERKANTER nickname 8-)

Silk Wilkes · Post #1186 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:29 am

fredericklove wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
He's got another nickname too then. *The Heartbreak Turkish Kid*

I thought he was Underkanter

He's a heartbreaker to the raps fans if we find out he can't hang with the big boys in the nba. Until if he plays like Underkanter in the paint, brings fear and death to his opponents, then he can truly deserve the UNDERKANTER nickname

But if he dominates wouldn't he be "The Natural"?

HSOB SIRHC · Post #1187 » by **HSOB SIRHC** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:29 am

And yes, apparently he likes Wrestling and the Undertaker is his favourite "wrestler" hence nicknamed The UnderKanter. I have a feeling he's going to hit the weight room HARD.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOr2Cu9DarA[/youtube]

Post #1188 » by **Hassassin** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:37 am

Kanter wants to be a professional wrestler after his NBA career.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvko4VUYuKQ[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN2ffgG9ANM[/youtube]

Video somewhat related

Silk Wilkes · Post #1189 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:43 am

Is it a coincidence Malone and Rodman are also NBA legends?

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #1190 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:51 am

Wham! wrote:
DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:

In that video they state that he took it to Nazr Mohammed. So you know he can go up against the pros no problem.

Let me just get this clear...one supposed matchup with Nazr Mohammed is enough evidence for you to be comfortable with? I think Kanter can be ok offensively overall, but I'd need to see a lot more than that based on the fact he hasn't competed against grown men much nor played in a competitive setting in a long time.

Specifically I'm interested in hearing about his post-game in workouts (again, against legit defender prospects) and how quick he looks defensively in a 3 on3 setting..that kind of thing.

For the other prospects...with Biyombo I'd like to hear about his post-defense and hands, with Jonas V I'd like to hear about his defensive IQ/positioning.

Yup. He didn't just match up well against him. He "took it to him." It's much better than hearing he got dominated by nazr right?

Post #1191 » by **Hassassin** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:52 am

Youngblood wrote:Is it a coincidence Malone and Rodman are also NBA legends?

I'd settle for Malone, even though he couldn't win a NBA title or in WCW.

fredericklove · Post #1192 » by **fredericklove** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:56 am

Moxie wrote:
How can anyone give an informed answer? He hasn't played in a year. The last time he played, Harrison Barnes was by consensus the next dominant swingman. Once we saw Barnes play at NC, we could actually evaluate him against challenging competition, and lo and behold, he isn't a dominant player at all.

You can't say Kanter would have been the best big man in college. I can't say he would have been a bust. We don't have enough information. But if Harrison Barnes could fool everyone the way he did in high school, it is just as possible that Enes Kanter fooled us as well, and now he is coasting on completely incorrect hype to a top 3 selection.

He isn't a 'safe' pick at all.

It's a different case. The worst part of Barne's game is his poor dribbling skills and that was displayed even during the All-American game and Jordan Brand game. He might have scored bunch of points in those games to make people believe he's legit, but scouts have already indicated his poor ball handle based on those games recap. So it wasn't a huge surprise to see him struggle in college, he just simply couldn't get by any defenders at all due to that poor handle.

Kanter on the other hand, the last game he played against was a matchup against some of the best recruits. He was dominating Sullinger the whole game. Although Sully wasn't the best post up defender he's still however a big banger, someone who does a good job on boxing out and rebounding in the paint. Yet, Kanter won the matchup. There were times he out-muscled 2-3 guys in the paint and crashed the board thru traffic. Not only has he displayed post-up skills, he also displayed his outside range, runs good for his size in the transition and played with high motor and intensity. These attributes can't fool people, these are legit skillset.

It's obviously his defense remains questionable, but other than that, he can score and rebound against challenging competition. That's for sure. Thus, I say he's a safe pick when compared to other bigs in the draft.

fredericklove · Post #1193 » by **fredericklove** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:57 am

Youngblood wrote:
But if he dominates wouldn't he be "The Natural"?

No. He would be "God" 8-)

Silk Wilkes · Post #1194 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:05 am

HA! wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Is it a coincidence Malone and Rodman are also NBA legends?

I'd settle for Malone, even though he couldn't win a NBA title or in WCW.

Hopefully there's no MJ around.

fredericklove wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
But if he dominates wouldn't he be "The Natural"?

No. He would be "God"

Post #1195 » by **5DOM** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:06 am

fredericklove wrote:It's obviously his defense remains questionable, but other than that, he can score and rebound against challenging competition. That's for sure. Thus, I say he's a safe pick when compared to other bigs in the draft.

Although I like Kanter, I don't think he's ever faced a "challenging" competition. Sullinger is an average defender at best and they played each other in what was pretty much an AS game.

SkywalkerAC · Post #1196 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:10 am

Youngblood wrote:
Another key word, "reminiscent".

but it's not even close size-wise. Davis/Kanter does nothing to remind me of KG/Perkins, because one duo is comprised of two power-forward sized guys while the other is basically two-seven footers.

tecumseh18 · Post #1197 » by **tecumseh18** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:11 am

Hah, we can always trust Kahn to screw things up. Thorpe says T-Wolves should draft Biyombo at #1.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?nam ... %3d6402171

It's insider, but apparently he says D-Will is good for Raps. Presumably the Cavs get Kyrie.

This is all assuming that the lottery doesn't change draft positions, which of course NEVER happens. But stuff has to get written, so writers write.

fredericklove · Post #1198 » by **fredericklove** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:17 am

5DOM wrote:
fredericklove wrote:It's obviously his defense remains questionable, but other than that, he can score and rebound against challenging competition. That's for sure. Thus, I say he's a safe pick when compared to other bigs in the draft.

Although I like Kanter, I don't think he's ever faced a "challenging" competition. Sullinger is an average defender at best and they played each other in what was pretty much an AS game.

Didn't I already say Sully isn't a good defender but his box out and rebounding are clearly legit. Don't tell me he was playing soft in the paint against Kanter just because it was an *all star* game ... Kanter plays with high motor, that's part of his game and it doesn't change from whoever he faces. High motor and high intensity comes from the person's mental aspect, not from the level of competition he plays against with. And if it's just an AS game, in that case if you want to say it like that, Biyombo got a triple double (10 blk) in an "AS game" too, and suddenly he's hyped as next big ben, that's cheesy.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1199 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:22 am

SkywalkerAC wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
Another key word, "reminiscent".

but it's not even close size-wise. Davis/Kanter does nothing to remind me of KG/Perkins, because one duo is comprised of two power-forward sized guys while the other is basically two-seven footers.

It is close though. Davis is 6'10" with a 7 foot wingspan. Kanter (at 17) was 6'10" 260 with a 7'1" wingspan. Garnett is about 7 feet with something like a 7'5" wingspan I'd assume just by comparing him to similar guys. Perkins is 6'10" 280 with a 7'4" wingspan. So, is it exact? No. Is it reminiscent? Yes. Obviously KG is an athletic freak. If you really want to nitpick go with something like Ibaka/Perkins. Davis/Kanter would be above average defensively and excellent offensively, as opposed to Ibaka/Perkins who are excellent defensively and below average offensively.

Post #1200 » by **5DOM** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:25 am

fredericklove wrote:
5DOM wrote:
fredericklove wrote:It's obviously his defense remains questionable, but other than that, he can score and rebound against challenging competition. That's for sure. Thus, I say he's a safe pick when compared to other bigs in the draft.

Although I like Kanter, I don't think he's ever faced a "challenging" competition. Sullinger is an average defender at best and they played each other in what was pretty much an AS game.

Didn't I already say Sully isn't a good defender but his box out and rebounding are clearly legit. Don't tell me he was playing soft in the paint against Kanter just because it was an *all star* game ... Kanter plays with high motor, that's part of his game and it doesn't change from whoever he faces. High motor and high intensity comes from the person's mental aspect, not from the level of competition he plays against with. And if it's just an AS game, in that case if you want to say it like that, Biyombo got a triple double (10 blk) in an "AS game" too, and suddenly he's hyped as next big ben, that's cheesy.

Sure it could have been fluke for both players. But at least Biyombo produced in the second best league in the world, and played against some of the most athletic guys outside the NBA. I just don't know how Kanter faced a "challenging" competition when he basically hasn't played a single competitive game in a year and his best competition was Jared Sullinger in an AS game. In fact, Sullinger scored 22 points on 10/14 shooting himself, so if we want to base everything on one game, you could say Kanter's D is worrisome