The Official 2011 Cammo Mock Draft Thread

[BigSlam]

Obviously the respectfully disagree strategy is a lost art.

Totally agree with what you are saying Warspite - it is a lost art............of course, that art would require an opinion to begin with - rather than just a regurgitation (yes, that means puking food into the mouths of your new borns, eg: ballboys, mouths) of other ACTUAL pro's scouts mock draft/scout lims gob traps.

Boil. Butt. Humanity.

[djthesonicsfan]

Ya, Cammo "just" integrates the latest professional mocks & rumors. He probably watches some games on the tube too. Just like the rest of us. Is he a bit over the top sometimes? Ya, a little. But so what. I still always like to take a look at his mock.

[Dr Positivity]

On the 2012 draft. I think Anthony Davis is overrated. One of many athletic/skinny/long/raw/just plays d and cleans up buckets but upside! PFs over the years. I'm sure he'll lock himself into the top 10 but he's way more rich man's Henson or Ed Davis than poor man's Garnett IMO.

The guy I like to go #1 is McAdoo. Has the athleticism and the skills to be a star. Plus his perimeter PF game is built to light it up scoring wise in college like Beasley, Big Dogg and present Derrick Williams though I think he could be better than all those guys

Also I'm going to embrace my inner Bill Simmons and say appearance wise this is just a mismatch. Davis is an 11 out of 10 on the looks like a nerd scale and McAdoo is the guy you never, ever leave your girlfriend in the same room with



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Davis looks like he should be doing McAdoo's homework for him

[Cammo101]

I love both guys. I think Davis is better right now and has the higher upside because of his raw tools. I think McAdoo is the more well rounded and has the more NBA ready body as you pointed out. Davis is a freaky athlete though. KG freaky. The thing I like so much about Davis is that this kid was a guard a year and a half ago, but you could not tell from watching him play. He plays above the rim and attacks the basket like it stole something. He probably is the highest upside prospect since Durant.

[Warspite]

Obviously the respectfully disagree strategy is a lost art.

Totally agree with what you are saying Warspite - it is a lost art............of course, that art would require an opinion to begin with - rather than just a regurgitation (yes, that means puking food into the mouths of your new borns, eg: ballboys, mouths) of other ACTUAL pro's scouts mock draft/scout lims gob traps.

Boil. Butt. Humanity.

No I dont think you do. If you werent a mod you would be suspended for violating the TOS. Your posts are an embarrassment to this site.


I rely on Cammo to read the blogs, follow the twitter and do the leg work for me to give me a ballpark picture of the NBA Draft. he saves me time and energy and gives me a picture of whats going on. Is that picture 100% accurate? Well no because there is something called "The Fog of War" No person can be accuarate to any certainty. Furthermroe who cares when its 2 months away who likes or dislikes who?

Most importantly Cammo does this all for free. hes not charging us anything nor do our lives depend on any of his intel. His thread is his opinion and Its just for fun......


PS
I dont see your mock draft anywhere.

[SamBone]

why rip a guy for posting his opinion? I think cammo does a great job and has been doing it for a few drafts now, and been pretty accurate. If you don't like is opinion, do not read his posts, don't rip the guy

[shangrila]

Huh, Biyombo rose into the top-5 and Vesely dropped to 9th (he was #5 in last mock). Why the change Cammo?

Just curious.

Biyombo just keeps rising. There is now talk that Minnesota may take him #1 overall.

If someone comes up, someone else has to drop. Vesely did not do anything to hurt his stock, Biyombo moving up just hurt his fit with some of the teams picking in the 6-8 range. Vesely still has a chance to be a top 5 pick, depending on how it all shakes out.

I would be surprised if Vesely drops that low. #9 or #10 is his absolute basement imo. Anything below that will be a STEAL for any team to get Vesely outside the top-10.

To be fair, the "rumour" was just Thorpe's opinion where he talked about the prospect that best fit each of the lottery teams. Apparently Biyombo is the kind of big man you would want next to Love.

[Cammo101]

4/29/11

1. Minnesota - Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
2. Cleveland - Derrick Williams (6'9'', PF, Arizona, Soph.)
3. Toronto - Enes Kanter (6'11'', PF, Turkey)
4. Washington - Bismack Biyombo (6'9'', PF, Congo)
5. Sacramento - Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
6. Utah - Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)
7. Detroit - Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
8. Cleveland - Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
9. Charlotte - Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
10. Milwaukee - Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
11. Golden State - Terrence Jones (6'9'', SF, Kentucky, Fresh.)
12. Utah - Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
13. Phoenix - Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
14. Houston - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF, San Diego State, Soph.)
15. Indiana - Markieff Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
16. Philadelphia - Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
17. New York - Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
18. Washington - Klay Thompson (6'6'', SG, Washington State, Jr.)
19. Charlotte - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
20. Minnesota - Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
21. Portland - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
22. Denver - Tyler Honeycutt (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
23. Houston - Davis Bertans (6'10'', SF, Latvia)
24. Oklahoma City - Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
25. Boston - Lucas Nogueira (7'0'', C, Brazil)
26. Dallas - Tobias Harris (6'8'', SF, Tennessee, Fresh.)
27. New Jersey - Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
28. Chicago - Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
29. San Antonio - Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
30. Chicago - Travis Leslie (6'4'', SG, Georgia, Jr.)

31. Miami - Reggie Jackson (6'3'', SG, Boston College, Jr.)
32. Cleveland - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
33. Detroit - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
34. Washington - Josh Selby (6'2'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
35. Sacramento - JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)
36. New Jersey - Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)
37. LA Clippers - Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', PF, USA)
38. Houston - Furkan Aldemir (6'9'', PF, Turkey)
39. Charlotte - Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
40. Milwaukee - Jereme Richmond (6'7'', SF, Illinois, Fresh.)
41. LA Lakers - Nolan Smith (6'3'', SG, Duke, Sr.)
42. Indiana - Norris Cole (6'2'', PG, Cleveland State, Sr.)
43. Golden State - Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
44. Chicago - Scottie Hopson (6'7'', SF, Tennessee, Jr.)
45. New Orleans - Nikola Vucevic (6'10'', PF, USC, Jr.)
46. LA Lakers - Darius Morris (6'4'', PG, Michigan, Soph.)
47. LA Clippers - Bojan Bogdanovic (6'7'', SF, Croatia)
48. Atlanta - Greg Smith (6'10'', C, Fresno State, Soph.)
49. Memphis - Joffrey Lauvergne (6'10'', PF, France)
50. Philadelphia - Jamie Skeen (6'9'', PF, VCU, Sr.)
51. Portland - DeAndre Liggins (6'6'', SG, Kentucky, Jr.)
52. Denver - Vernon Macklin (6'9'', PF, Florida, Sr.)
53. Orlando - Jimmy Butler (6'7'', SF, Marquette, Sr.)
54. Cleveland - Giorgi Shermadini (7'1'', C, Georgia)
55. Boston - E'Twaun Moore (6'4'', SG, Purdue, Sr.)
56. LA Lakers - Matthew Bryan-Amaning (6'8'', PF, Washington, Sr.)
57. Dallas - Isaiah Thomas (5'10'', PG, Washington, Jr.)
58. LA Lakers - Austin Freeman (6'4'', SG, Georgetown, Sr.)
59. San Antonio - LaceDarius Dunn (6'4'', SG, Baylor, Sr.)
60. Sacramento - Rick Jackson (6'9'', PF, Syracuse, Sr.)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

[babyjax13]

I think that Utah would rather have Klay Thompson at that 12 spot, but I really love Vessely and I think that he's a match made in heaven for all of the cuts that are worked into the Jazz offense.

[dunkonu21]

MN wont take Irving. It's Rubio or bust (we're used to busting).

[AQuintus]

MN wont take Irving. It's Rubio or bust (we're used to busting).

Yes they will. Kahn may be dumb, but I doubt he's dumb enough to pass on Irving (or at least Ronzone won't let him be that dumb).

[KF10]

To be fair, the "rumour" was just Thorpe's opinion where he talked about the prospect that best fit each of the lottery teams. Apparently Biyombo is the kind of big man you would want next to Love.

Oh, okay. I see.

From what I know, Thorpe isn't really that credible in terms of the draft overall. I wouldn't put too much stock into his words then.

But I could still see Biyombo in the top-7 in this draft though.

[TrueWarrior]

Does this mock take into account team needs? Or is this just a big board?

I dont think the Knicks will take Faried. Too little offense. Kind of a tweener. A lot of question marks on defense due to him playing alot of center/zone at Morehead. I love his athleticism, attitude, energy, rebounding, and motor though. If he impresses in workouts and the combine then MAYBE I could see us giving him a look, but I still think hes a little too one dimensional. We need guys who can setup and/or spread the floor for Melo and Amare. Lets remember Dantoni is still the coach, so do you think wed really pick a guy who cant shoot? Come on now. Even Jordan Hill could shoot.

If Klay Thompson is there the Knicks will take him. Fields is more of a SF.

Players I think the Knicks would draft at #17:

Guards:
Jimmer Fredette
Klay Thompson
Reggie Jackson

Bigs:
Markieff Morris
Trey Thompkins
Justin Harper

Maybe add Nogueira or Tristan Thompson if they're feeling developmental, although Im pretty sure we're going to pick an NBA ready dude. Especially in Nogueira's case, who might be exactly what we need at center.... only 5 years from now.

[Cammo101]

Does this mock take into account team needs? Or is this just a big board?

I dont think the Knicks will take Faried. Too little offense. Kind of a tweener. A lot of question marks on defense due to him playing alot of center/zone at Morehead. I love his athleticism, attitude, energy, rebounding, and motor though. If he impresses in workouts and the combine then MAYBE I could see us giving him a look, but I still think hes a little too one dimensional. We need guys who can setup and/or spread the floor for Melo and Amare. Lets remember Dantoni is still the coach, so do you think wed really pick a guy who cant shoot? Come on now. Even Jordan Hill could shoot.

If Klay Thompson is there the Knicks will take him. Fields is more of a SF.

Players I think the Knicks would draft at #17:

Guards:
Jimmer Fredette
Klay Thompson
Reggie Jackson

Bigs:
Markieff Morris
Trey Thompkins
Justin Harper

Maybe add Nogueira or Tristan Thompson if they're feeling developmental, although Im pretty sure we're going to pick an NBA ready dude. Especially in Nogueira's case, who might be exactly what we need at center.... only 5 years from now.

Too little offense? They have plenty of offense with Billups, Melo, and Amare. They need a big like Faried to do all the dirty work no one else on their team will do. Even though D'Antoni is the coach, that does not mean you can not draft a defensive, rebounding big to mask the deficiencies of their team. Nogueira is a big time project with much more limited offense than Faried. Thompson would be a great fit, but likely will not be on the board when NY picks.

Taking an offensive minded wing player is the worst thing NY can do in this draft.

[shangrila]

To be fair, the "rumour" was just Thorpe's opinion where he talked about the prospect that best fit each of the lottery teams. Apparently Biyombo is the kind of big man you would want next to Love.

Oh, okay. I see.

From what I know, Thorpe isn't really that credible in terms of the draft overall. I wouldn't put too much stock into his words then.

But I could still see Biyombo in the top-7 in this draft though.

Yeah, I don't think Thorpe has or cares about "sources". He's a coach or trainer or something, I think?

I could honestly see the Wolves taking Biyombo anywhere after Irving, not sure if anyone else would take him that high though.

[TrueWarrior]

Too little offense? They have plenty of offense with Billups, Melo, and Amare. They need a big like Faried to do all the dirty work no one else on their team will do. Even though D'Antoni is the coach, that does not mean you can not draft a defensive, rebounding big to mask the deficiencies of their team. Nogueira is a big time project with much more limited offense than Faried. Thompson would be a great fit, but likely will not be on the board when NY picks.

Taking an offensive minded wing player is the worst thing NY can do in this draft.

I would see your point if Faried was like 6'9-6'10, but he is a pretty skinny (lower body at least) 6'8. Hes not really a "big" to me. Is he the next Rodman? I dont think so. You also couldnt play him with Melo and Amare unless we went small, which I dont like. Even though it makes sense on paper for the Knicks to start adding defensive players, thats not how it works IMO. You need to have SOME offense to keep the defense from doubling. Scoring off the bench is a HUGE need for the Knicks too, as we saw in the playoffs. You cant just look at Melo and Amare and say we only need D.

We could just sign cheap bigs on 1 year deals like Reggie Evans, Pryzbilla, Foster, Nazr, etc if we wanted a guy to do what Faried does. The Knicks right now need everything sans a starting SF and PF. We have to draft BPA, and Im not sure Faried is that guy. I would pick Chris Singleton before I picked Faried if I wanted defense honestly.

If we are going big, then players like Markieff Morris and Trey Thompkins would be better choices for us, because they are more well rounded. They might not jump out at you, but they're solid on both ends. Faried cant score unless he has a wide open dunk. Hed become an offensive liability, and Im not convinced his defense makes up for it either. Hes a great rebounder/hustler but there are still many question marks w/ him.

Im just letting you know what I think the Knicks WILL do, not what you think they SHOULD do. We're also rumored to like Justin Harper, which makes sense with his sharp shooting 6'10 mismatch waiting to happen Dantoni loving game self. They supposedly see him as a replacement for Gallo / Chandler, a hybrid forward off the bench.

[jolbin]

Hey Cammo..
What about Zoran Dragic?
What is your opinion?

[djthesonicsfan]

Chris Singleton

[Dr Positivity]

I think Thompson goes much higher once teams see his wingspan in workouts and the combine. He should play big at PF instead of undersized cause of his length. He is very similar physically to Horford

The other thing about Thompson is he is an awesome fit for Sacramento (Cousins needs a defensive PF), Detroit (ditto for Monroe) and a pretty good one for Washington (they need interior d), Milwaukee (need a PF). I would be surprised if Detroit passed on him at 7. I dont see anyone clearly better than Thompson at that range and he is just too perfect for Greg Monroe and their weaknesses as of late

[princeofpalace]

^
If TT measures in at 6'9 and above then he's a top 10 pick, if he measures below that hes probably a mid first.