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jerrod · Post #241 » by **jerrod** » Tue May 17, 2011 4:40 pm

i've always thought that expecting one person to be really skilled at both acquiring and judging talent and managaing salaries while also being a great tactical coach and motivator is pretty daunting.

IronChef · Post #242 » by **IronChef** » Wed May 18, 2011 12:19 am

Well, David Dein used to have the role of negotiating all contracts and managing budgets. Now that role has gone on to Ivan Gazidis, although I'm sure he's not as tight with Wenger as Dein was. The team also has a first team coach, in Boro Primorac, who's been there seen 1997.

IronChef · Post #243 » by **IronChef** » Wed May 18, 2011 1:40 am

manchild wrote:I think you posted this jerrod:
Arsenal should adapt the NBA model.
Wenger as GM
Ex-player as coach

There has been talk of moving up Steve Bould (former CB, Tony Adams defensive partner) from youth coach as a sort of defensive coach. I liked that idea myself, work on organizing the back four and team defence.

BC_ · Post #244 » by **BC_** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:12 am

The question is who has brought the spineless culture? Wenger, Gazidis, Primorac, Fabregas?
Likely a combination but how do you fix it?
My Aussie Rules team Adelaide Crows has exactly the same issue atm. Wins big games, loses easy ones. The coach has assembled a great list, but how do you create a winning culture? New coach? Different leaders within the playing group? Or does it just spontaneously happen over time?

IronChef · Post #245 » by **IronChef** » Wed May 18, 2011 4:34 pm

It's most likely a combination of things, I think mostly due to youth and inexperience in the side, and a lack of tough players. The likes of Tony Adams, Viera, Keown, Henry would have been all over their teammates for playing the way these guys did sometimes.

I think it's a lack of discipline, leadership within the side, and confidence. They panic when things start to go bad, and the Birmingham Carling Cup final had a lot to do with that, so did the Newcastle result.

Some experienced, tough players is probably the easiest way to do it, i.e. Parker, Cahill, Samba. But, they really need to win something soon, just to get the monkey of their back. Once they win one trophy, the Carling Cup could have done it this year, it will go a long to way towards instilling the belief and pride in the side that they used to have.

jerrod · Post #246 » by **jerrod** » Wed May 18, 2011 4:58 pm

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... sh-fourth-

IronChef · Post #247 » by **IronChef** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:00 pm

Van Persie getting a new 5 year deal.

:clap:

http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/ ... Van-Persie

Post #248 » by **J.Kim** » Thu May 19, 2011 1:30 pm

IronChef wrote:Van Persie getting a new 5 year deal.

http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/ ... Van-Persie

If that rumor on arseblog.com is true then that means Fabregas is gone. It could've been either Fabregas, Nasri or RVP but with this extension and with Nasri in talks for an extension with Arsenal, it's for sure Fabregas.

BC_ · Post #249 » by **BC_** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:34 pm

Could be Nasri but probably Fabs.

BC_ · Post #250 » by **BC_** » Thu May 19, 2011 2:40 pm

Not so sure we should revert to 442 if Cesc leaves. RVP can just play deeper.

We'd have to be able to move to 442 when he's injured/resting though, because Chamakh can't head up a 433 without Fabregas imo

IronChef · Post #251 » by **IronChef** » Fri May 20, 2011 12:56 pm

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... unday.html

On NO! No more Denilson

jerrod · Post #252 » by **jerrod** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:24 pm

talk about an amicable split

great news on the rvp deal!

BC_ · Post #253 » by **BC_** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:34 pm

Arseblog wrote:
Denilson wrote:I am a winner and I came here to win trophies but I’ve been here for five years and won nothing.

Now, I’m a humble blogger and do not claim to be an expert by any means (unless it is in rum based drinks). Perhaps there are many definitions of ‘winner’ but I would suggest that any player who is overtaken by a referee as he half-heartedly chases an opposition attack into his own half might be in danger of breaching the trades descriptions act there.

BC_ · Post #254 » by **BC_** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:48 pm

Tevez?

Would certainly send a message to the fans.

BC_ · Post #255 » by **BC_** » Sat May 21, 2011 6:11 am

Tuesday Club: "Chamakh had a personal issue for the second half of the season that we can't talk about."

Goals conceded
season - - - us - - league winners
2003-04 - - 26 - - 26
2004-05 - - 36 - - 15
2005-06 - - 31 - - 22
2006-07 - - 35 - - 27
2007-08 - - 31 - - 22
2008-09 - - 37 - - 24
2009-10 - - 41 - - 32
2010-11 - - 41 - - 35

Forget a striker, get me a defense

jerrod · Post #256 » by **jerrod** » Sun May 22, 2011 11:35 pm

so i went to a pub called The Highbury while wearing my Nasri jersey today hoping it would be lucky.

apparently it was not.

what a rough end to the season

Ong_dynasty · Post #257 » by **Ong_dynasty** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:48 am

IronChef wrote:
Ong_dynasty wrote:I would normally agree with you guys, but i really do believe that this team needs to win a trophy next season if not, I do not think this team will ever fulfill its potential. and if it requires a veteran keeper in the next few years, then so be it.

I'm against replacing Sneezy. It just doesn't seem like a wise investment to me.

Sneezy is now a good keeper, and he's getting better and better. He has the talent and attitude to be the best. The money we would need to get a keeper that is an upgrade (Reina, Lloris, Buffon etc) is 20-30 mill that would be far better spent on another aspect of the team. If we sign one of the above, even the older ones like Buffon, or Frey, to a four year deal we are killing Sneezys Arsenal career, he will not wait around as a back-up.

I'd much rather spend that money on an upgrade, and depth, at winger, striker, midfield, or centerback.

I am looking more in the mold of schwarzer or buffon (if rumours are that he can be had for free). I like Schwarzer more as I think if sneezy does overtake him, he can accept it as I think he knows the last few years will probably the last that he can win titles.
I do agree that spending alot of money for a GK is not good as there are other parts.
But you actually stated earlier that we lack compsure of set-pieces and i believe that can be fixed by a dominating keeping and / or a commanding cb.

Ong_dynasty · Post #258 » by **Ong_dynasty** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:06 pm

IronChef wrote:It's most likely a combination of things, I think mostly due to youth and inexperience in the side, and a lack of tough players. The likes of Tony Adams, Viera, Keown, Henry would have been all over their teammates for playing the way these guys did sometimes.

I think it's a lack of discipline, leadership within the side, and confidence. They panic when things start to go bad, and the Birmingham Carling Cup final had a lot to do with that, so did the Newcastle result.

Some experienced, tough players is probably the easiest way to do it, i.e. Parker, Cahill, Samba. But, they really need to win something soon, just to get the monkey of their back. Once they win one trophy, the Carling Cup could have done it this year, it will go a long to way towards instilling the belief and pride in the side that they used to have.

I agree with you here. and this is why I want someone like schwarzer and parker. but you also question how much can they help when it comes to winning titles and have the pressure of trying titles they have. Now you can make an argument they have the nitty gritty of relegation battles, but is that enough for title chasers?
I still think Cahill and Samba are slightly overated. but heh.! wouldnt say no.
and the fact that we need to win something asap for the psychie is why i want a GK.
I always say talent wise, we are there there is not alot we need, its just that lil something that will put us over, unfortuately that little something cannot really be bought and say problem solved.
I also think arsenal need to get the confidence of the fans back in their corner and the only way is to spend good money this summer. you can see how restless the fans got in the end. and you get the same old cliches coming back (whether right or wrong). I do think arsenal need a buy to highligt their intent this season.

BC_ · Post #259 » by **BC_** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:35 pm

Ong_dynasty wrote:I always say talent wise, we are there there is not alot we need, its just that lil something that will put us over, unfortuately that little something cannot really be bought and say problem solved.
I also think arsenal need to get the confidence of the fans back in their corner and the only way is to spend good money this summer. you can see how restless the fans got in the end. and you get the same old cliches coming back (whether right or wrong). I do think arsenal need a buy to highligt their intent this season.

Spot on. Talent wise we're fine (probably better than anyone) and money may not fix what we really need (balls). But the fans demand a signing and they're not going to be happy with the next Squillaci or Rosicky, it has to be a Tevez or Parker that fans already see as a great player.

IronChef · Post #260 » by **IronChef** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:05 pm

Parker would be ideal. He plays with so much heart, he's exactly what we need. We need a striker though aswell, imo. If you look at the forwards for the big teams:

Chelsea: Torres, Drogba, Anelka
Man U: Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez
Man City: Tevez, Balotelli, Dzeko
Arsenal: RVP, Bendtner, Chamakh

Two players don't belong in that group, and it's Bendtner and Chamakh