2011 NBA Draft Discussion Thread (Lottery Tonight!)

[moocow007]

Brooks wingspan is noticeable too. And I can understand the Nick Young comparison but Brooks has always been a perimeter player while Young is a converted interior guy that started playing on the wing
towards the end of his collegiate career. Brooks is a natural guard. Man, I am all over the place in this draft. I don't envy Donnie.

Yeah pretty much. There are a lot of guys to choose from and probably no one that is ideal, ideal. Will be interesting whomever the Knicks take. At the very least (even though it's early) it doesn't appear that the Knicks have tipped their hat as far as who they want. That's the most important thing. Hopefully whomever they pick they really did their homework on. Personally, I think they should look to acquire at least another pick. While there may not be a whole bunch of stars in this draft there are guys that can help immediately in positions of need (which, right now, is pretty much every position but SF).

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Agreed. And I think they are counting on Jerome Jordan coming over and giving us something on the inside.

[moocow007]

Agreed. And I think they are counting on Jerome Jordan coming over and giving us something on the inside.

Yeah lets hope so. I'm not as confident as some that Jordan will be able to contribute much next season but he probably will be on the roster. Chances are more likely that the Knicks will sign a couple older veterans to help add depth at C if they fail to land a more capable starting caliber C. At which point, yeah, god help us and Amare Stoudemire (who'll likely once again spend most of his time out of position at C).

Was reading some report (don't recall where...maybe it was Hahn) that mentioned Nikola Vucevic as a possibility and, if he ends up in NY, that the Knicks could attempt to sign someone like Zydrunas Ilgauskas to a vet minimum to help "tutor" him. As of right now, unless anyone thinks Jeremy Tyler would ever play for D'Antoni, Vucevic is probably the only realistic C option in the draft (doubt the 2 Euro C-types fall nor do I remotely believe the Knicks, who need help now, would take Bebe...and Keith Benson is not an NBA level player).

Some question marks about Vucevic (intensity, upside, defensive ability) but he is a skilled player with offensive skills that should be able to get himself decent minutes in D'Antoni's system and spare the wear and tear on Amare.

[EchelonNYK]

moocow, do you ever sleep?

[omerome]

moocow, do you ever sleep?

He sleeps in front on his computer, where else?

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I don't know man, I see Rasho Nesterovic in that kid. I understand where we're picking but I think we can get a better prospect in the 17 spot than that. But again, I have to think that Walsh and co. know what the guy is capable of doing in the system moreso than myself so we'll see. I think it's gonna be Selby or Harper...or the dark horse...Nolan Smith. And we'll boo but probably learn to like him. Lol. I still say go for Jennings...but I think I'm the only one.

[moocow007]

moocow, do you ever sleep?

Barely man, barely.

With a pushy wife and 3 opinionated kids you'd think I'd sleep more right?

[moocow007]

moocow, do you ever sleep?

He sleeps in front on his computer, where else?

I've actually done that a few times, yes. Believe it or not, RGM is how I relax.

[Jmonty580]

So who are the players you guys think are most likely to drop to us at 17?

I'm thinking these guys:

Kawhi Leonard
Tristan Thompson
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Jimmer Fredette

of them i'd take Jimmer first. But I'm thinking just because these guys fall doesnt mean we should change who we plan to draft if its not one of them. Outside of Jimmer I'm not big on any of these guys. If one of the Euro big men falls by chance I wanna take one of them.

[moocow007]

I don't know man, I see Rasho Nesterovic in that kid. I understand where we're picking but I think we can get a better prospect in the 17 spot than that. But again, I have to think that Walsh and co. know what the guy is capable of doing in the system moreso than myself so we'll see. I think it's gonna be Selby or Harper...or the dark horse...Nolan Smith. And we'll boo but probably learn to like him. Lol. I still say go for Jennings...but I think I'm the only one.

Yeah. Nesterovic is an interesting comparison. Nesterovic had talent but just never was able to really establish himself and if I recall it was because of questions about his intensity and work ethic. I think Vucevic is a little stronger and a bit more athletic than Nesterovic was so hopefully if the Knicks take him he pans out.

Selby really didn't come off well during his draft combine interviews. He had that deer-in-the-headlights look about him and have to wonder how much damage that year in Kansas did to his confidence. He just looked and sounded beaten up. Nolan Smith I think is more of a backup caliber combo guard and if the Knicks are going with that I think Jenkins would probably be better (since he's more of a point).

[Rasho Brezec]

Rasho produced always. And he's awesome. Fact.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Just for the record, I wouldn't want Smith but you know the maturity and winning mentality is attractive playing in this city with the two alphas we have in place. And that same kinda mentality is what got us Landry (at least from a maturity standpoint--and that worked out ok). Selby could be Monta or could be Dejaun Wagner, we just don't know. His flags are scary though...I like Jenkins but I don't know if he's an upgrade over what we have in Toney. Again, this is not an easy one for Walsh...Moo, what are your thoughts on Honeycutt? Can he play the two? And can he be a better pro than college guy as most of these UCLA guys have a habit of doing? And in that same line of thought, what about Malcolm Lee?

[moocow007]

So who are the players you guys think are most likely to drop to us at 17?

I'm thinking these guys:

Kawhi Leonard
Tristan Thompson
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Jimmer Fredette

of them i'd take Jimmer first. But I'm thinking just because these guys fall doesnt mean we should change who we plan to draft if its not one of them. Outside of Jimmer I'm not big on any of these guys. If one of the Euro big men falls by chance I wanna take one of them.

Hmm...I think any of the above guys can drop. After the top 9 or 10 guys (Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight, Biyombo, Vesely, Valencuinas, Montiejunas, Burks, Walker...in no particular order) I think there's a drop in overall value.

Each guy on that list has nice qualities that would make teams want them but also notable qualities that would make teams shy away from them (which usually is how players drop). Leonard is a monster defensively as a wing but can he score? Tristant Thompson has real nice upside but he has very little refined skill (especially on the offensive end where he's kinda robotic) so would be considered a high risk (high reward) guy. Marcus Morris is kinda a tweener-ish forward and while he has a nice offensive repetoire does his lack of a true position (and elite size for a PF or athleticism for a SF) limit him at the next level? Markieff Morris is a strong PF and should be able to play his role well with a plethora of PF's in the draft (most with higher upside) he could drop. And of course, is Fredette really able to play the point and guard anything more than a lamp post?

I think Leonard would be real, real nice but he'll end up playing sparse minutes behind Melo (since he really isn't anything other than a SF imo) so that hurts. On a team like the Suns he could fill a real nice niche defensively and Nash should be able to maximize his production offensively (alley-ooooop).

Not a fan of Tristan Thompson but if he were to drop and some other team really likes him I'd think about moving him so from a value standpoint, he could be terrific.

I'd pass on Marcus Morris completely unless, as with Thompson, some other team is willing to offer up some real value in exchange for him. Morris is absolutely not a need for the Knicks regardless of which angle you look at him from nor IMHO is his NBA upside particularly high.

Markieff Morris (he has a bigger head than his brother...a queue that Selby gave on how to distinguish the two guys lol) could theoretically play C in D'Antoni's system and he is willing to defend and rebound and do the dirty work I think so he would make sense.

Fredette excites and scares all at the same time. Offensively and from a competitiveness and smarts standpoint, exciting. Defensively and from a role standpoint, scares.

Guess it would be either the bigger Morris or Fredette for me although I really do like Leonard the most of the guys on this list.

[Jmonty580]

So who are the players you guys think are most likely to drop to us at 17?

I'm thinking these guys:

Kawhi Leonard
Tristan Thompson
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Jimmer Fredette

of them i'd take Jimmer first. But I'm thinking just because these guys fall doesnt mean we should change who we plan to draft if its not one of them. Outside of Jimmer I'm not big on any of these guys. If one of the Euro big men falls by chance I wanna take one of them.

Hmm...I think any of the above guys can drop. After the top 9 or 10 guys (Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight, Biyombo, Vesely, Valencuinas, Montiejunas, Burks, Walker...in no particular order) I think there's a drop in overall value.

Each guy on that list has nice qualities that would make teams want them but also notable qualities that would make teams shy away from them (which usually is how players drop). Leonard is a monster defensively as a wing but can he score? Tristant Thompson has real nice upside but he has very little refined skill (especially on the offensive end where he's kinda robotic) so would be considered a high risk (high reward) guy. Marcus Morris is kinda a tweener-ish forward and while he has a nice offensive repetoire does his lack of a true position (and elite size for a PF or athleticism for a SF) limit him at the next level? Markieff Morris is a strong PF and should be able to play his role well with a plethora of PF's in the draft (most with higher upside) he could drop. And of course, is Fredette really able to play the point and guard anything more than a lamp post?

I think Leonard would be real, real nice but he'll end up playing sparse minutes behind Melo (since he really isn't anything other than a SF imo) so that hurts. On a team like the Suns he could fill a real nice niche defensively and Nash should be able to maximize his production offensively (alley-ooooop).

Not a fan of Tristan Thompson but if he were to drop and some other team really likes him I'd think about moving him so from a value standpoint, he could be terrific.

I'd pass on Marcus Morris completely unless, as with Thompson, some other team is willing to offer up some real value in exchange for him. Morris is absolutely not a need for the Knicks regardless of which angle you look at him from nor IMHO is his NBA upside particularly high.

Markieff Morris (he has a bigger head than his brother...a queue that Selby gave on how to distinguish the two guys lol) could theoretically play C in D'Antoni's system and he is willing to defend and rebound and do the dirty work I think so he would make sense.

Fredette excites and scares all at the same time. Offensively and from a competitiveness and smarts standpoint, exciting. Defensively and from a role standpoint, scares.

Guess it would be either the bigger Morris or Fredette for me although I really do like Leonard the most of the guys on this list.

Nice break down!


So if all those guys are left on the board and we go with lets say Kenith Faried, Selby, Klay or even Justin Harper...Would you be pissed at the Knicks fonrt office?

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Rasho produced always. And he's awesome. Fact.

If I'm correct, he never missed the post season either...I think once, maybe.

[Rasho Brezec]

It wasn't his fault! He had to carry that sucky Pacers team by himself.

[moocow007]

So who are the players you guys think are most likely to drop to us at 17?

I'm thinking these guys:

Kawhi Leonard
Tristan Thompson
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Jimmer Fredette

of them i'd take Jimmer first. But I'm thinking just because these guys fall doesnt mean we should change who we plan to draft if its not one of them. Outside of Jimmer I'm not big on any of these guys. If one of the Euro big men falls by chance I wanna take one of them.

Hmm...I think any of the above guys can drop. After the top 9 or 10 guys (Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight, Biyombo, Vesely, Valencuinas, Montiejunas, Burks, Walker...in no particular order) I think there's a drop in overall value.

Each guy on that list has nice qualities that would make teams want them but also notable qualities that would make teams shy away from them (which usually is how players drop). Leonard is a monster defensively as a wing but can he score? Tristant Thompson has real nice upside but he has very little refined skill (especially on the offensive end where he's kinda robotic) so would be considered a high risk (high reward) guy. Marcus Morris is kinda a tweener-ish forward and while he has a nice offensive repetoire does his lack of a true position (and elite size for a PF or athleticism for a SF) limit him at the next level? Markieff Morris is a strong PF and should be able to play his role well with a plethora of PF's in the draft (most with higher upside) he could drop. And of course, is Fredette really able to play the point and guard anything more than a lamp post?

I think Leonard would be real, real nice but he'll end up playing sparse minutes behind Melo (since he really isn't anything other than a SF imo) so that hurts. On a team like the Suns he could fill a real nice niche defensively and Nash should be able to maximize his production offensively (alley-ooooop).

Not a fan of Tristan Thompson but if he were to drop and some other team really likes him I'd think about moving him so from a value standpoint, he could be terrific.

I'd pass on Marcus Morris completely unless, as with Thompson, some other team is willing to offer up some real value in exchange for him. Morris is absolutely not a need for the Knicks regardless of which angle you look at him from nor IMHO is his NBA upside particularly high.

Markieff Morris (he has a bigger head than his brother...a queue that Selby gave on how to distinguish the two guys lol) could theoretically play C in D'Antoni's system and he is willing to defend and rebound and do the dirty work I think so he would make sense.

Fredette excites and scares all at the same time. Offensively and from a competitiveness and smarts standpoint, exciting. Defensively and from a role standpoint, scares.

Guess it would be either the bigger Morris or Fredette for me although I really do like Leonard the most of the guys on this list.

Nice break down!


So if all those guys are left on the board and we go with lets say Kenith Faried, Selby, Klay or even Justin Harper...Would you be pissed at the Knicks fonrt office?

I don't know. I think if the Knicks go on pure BPA then most of those guys porbably would make more sense (except Marcus Morris, really don't see much about him and from an upside, usefulness standpoint hes probably the worse of the bunch). Faried, Selby, Thompson and Harper all have specific skills that the Knicks need an I think all have upside so I wouldn't be upset no.

[moocow007]

It wasn't his fault! He had to carry that sucky Pacers team by himself.

Yes, stop blaming Rasho!!!!

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[SARGO127]

Marshon Brooks...This kid looks like Kobe-lite...and has a 7'2 wingspan for a SG. Lockdown defender.