2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[OAKLEY_2]

Sorry, some confirmation about the Calderon situation: Calderon's contract is difficult to move right now, but his contract will be in it's final year after next season, so there'll be many options to deal him. With this, I think it's unlikely we deal him this off season, however there's a VERY good chance he's dealt the following season.

The one thing that stands out with this team is the logjam at power forward. That needs to be addressed. One of Bargs or Davis needs to be converted to other assets. Davis? Davis? The only way we should move him is if we think Biyombo is the REAL deal. If we do we should pick him at #5. If we picked him then he actually might compliment Barg's game and buy time for Bargs at the 5. In fact both could play a hybrid 4/5. So what would be out there for Davis arguably our number 2 asset? Denver could easily go with Felton and Ty Lawson could be the point guard we need. I'm not saying Denver would do it but it would be very close to a fair swap. In another move, the kind of which BC specializes in, a trade for 2 guard Christian Sky-enga would up are athletic quotient as we try and change the octane of the good ship Raptor. In this regard I'd move James Johnson in that trade. I would then resign Sonny Weems with the thought of making Demar a permanent installation at the 3.

2011
Centre: Primo Pasta and Sauce/Kurt Thomas/Ajinca
Power forward: Bismack Biyombo/Amir Johnson/Reggie Evans
Small Forward: Demar Derozan/Sonny Weems
Shooting guard: Sky_Enga/Bayless/Jose
Point Guard: Ty Lawson/Bayless/Jose

[Rapsobsessed7]

What about this assuming draft goes

Irving
Williams
Kanter
Val
Knight/Walker

In the off-season

To TOR: Jefferson + Koufos
To DEN: Bell + Bargnani
To UTA: Chandler (s&t) + Barbosa

Utah makes room for Kanter and would be a pretty interesting team

Bargnani is a great fit next to Nene and not as expensive as Jefferson 14, then 15 million

Toronto gets a more traditional C

Harris / Jimmer
Hayward / Barbosa
Chandler / FA / Evans
Favors / Millsap
Kanter / Okur

Lawson / Felton
AA / Bell
Gallo / Harrington
Bargnani / Andersen
Nene / Mozgov

+ #22

Knight / Bayless
Derozan / SG
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir / Koufos
Jefferson / C / Alabi

+ Calderon trade

[load management]

Jefferson is more of a traditional PF.

[Leolovinliberal]

Just curious, and please don't kill me if my idea offends you, just throwing this out there. First of all, this is based only on if James Harden run the point full time, I'm reading tons of posts all over that he actually has much better court vision than Westbrook. If so, Barganani, Barbosa and Calderon for Harden, #20 and Mullens would be ideal for both teams. Bottom line, we need to acquire good young talent, and they are already set, just need some tweaking, i.e front court scoring, bench scoring and a steady pg to feed the go to guys.

Bargnani averaged 21 ppg last season, and would be an ideal compliment to Perk and Ibaka, since he doesn't do much else, but does stretch the court, and they play down low and bang, which he doesn't do. Calderon was 3rd in the NBA in apg last year, and Barbosa is 12-15 ppg off of the bench, or even more as a starter. They could also play JC at the point, and move Westbrook to the 2 guard for stretches. A front court rotation of Perk, Ibaka, Bargs and Collison is fantastic.

For us, a young dynamic back court of Harden (again, provided that he can play pg) and Derozen would be a fantastic building block with Ed Davis, Amir Johnson, Bayless, James Johnson and our lottery pick and # 20 this year. If we could sign DeAndre Jordan, and maybe someone like Al Thornton to compete with JJ for the sf spot, our rotation could potentially look like this:

PG: Harden, Bayless
SG: Demar, Sonny
SF: JJ, Al Thornton, Chris Singleton (#20?)
PF: Easy Ed, Amir
C: Jordan, Biyombo, Kantar, Val (#5?), Mullens

Young, crazy freaky athletic and still bad enough to get a lottery pick for '12. What say you?

[Reignman]

Ok, I typically don't make trade proposals but here's one that makes sense I think. Two parts but I think it could address some of our C needs.

#5 to SAC for #7 + Whiteside (Sac does this so they can get Kemba/Knight)

Draft Alex Burks with #7 and flip him to Chicago for Asik + their 2012 (remember, they wanted Demar and Burks is a Demar type of prospect).

We still have Jose/Bargs/Barbosa as trade assets but we add to our core and at a position of need.

Bayless
Demar
Johnson
Ed/Amir
Asik/Whiteside

We also add another 2012 1st round pick.

I think Asik/Whiteside are two decent C prospects worth investing some developmental time to. We turn our #5 into Asik/Whiteside/late 2012 1st.

Thoughts?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Ok, I typically don't make trade proposals but here's one that makes sense I think. Two parts but I think it could address some of our C needs.

#5 to SAC for #7 + Whiteside (Sac does this so they can get Kemba/Knight)

Draft Alex Burks with #7 and flip him to Chicago for Asik + their 2012 (remember, they wanted Demar and Burks is a Demar type of prospect).

We still have Jose/Bargs/Barbosa as trade assets but we add to our core and at a position of need.

Bayless
Demar
Johnson
Ed/Amir
Asik/Whiteside

We also add another 2012 1st round pick.

I think Asik/Whiteside are two decent C prospects worth investing some developmental time to. We turn our #5 into Asik/Whiteside/late 2012 1st.

Thoughts?

I'd be fine by it. We get two C prospects for our pick, plus another prospect or trade chip in 2012.

I'm probably biased though, because I'm a huge fan of Asik (hopefully his leg fracture doesn't affect him moving forward).

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

I like that trade myself. It's clever.

Although the talk of Calderon to SAC is silly, they are still a team to talk with. They have some nice pieces (Thompson, Casspi, Whiteside, Greene) that I would be very interested in. They're line-up is far from complete, and, depending on what they do with Dalembert , some of their young frontcourt players could be available.

[Silk Wilkes]

Ok, I typically don't make trade proposals but here's one that makes sense I think. Two parts but I think it could address some of our C needs.

#5 to SAC for #7 + Whiteside (Sac does this so they can get Kemba/Knight)

Draft Alex Burks with #7 and flip him to Chicago for Asik + their 2012 (remember, they wanted Demar and Burks is a Demar type of prospect).

We still have Jose/Bargs/Barbosa as trade assets but we add to our core and at a position of need.

Bayless
Demar
Johnson
Ed/Amir
Asik/Whiteside

We also add another 2012 1st round pick.

I think Asik/Whiteside are two decent C prospects worth investing some developmental time to. We turn our #5 into Asik/Whiteside/late 2012 1st.

Thoughts?

Yes please! In a New York minute.

[Laowai]

[quote="Youngblood"][quote="Reignman"]Ok, I typically don't make trade proposals but here's one that makes sense I think. Two parts but I think it could address some of our C needs.

#5 to SAC for #7 + Whiteside (Sac does this so they can get Kemba/Knight)

Draft Alex Burks with #7 and flip him to Chicago for Asik + their 2012 (remember, they wanted Demar and Burks is a Demar type of prospect).

We still have Jose/Bargs/Barbosa as trade assets but we add to our core and at a position of need.

Bayless
Demar
Johnson
Ed/Amir
Asik/Whiteside


Decent Trade
With a few additions with SAC we get Whiteside they also take Alabi.
With #7 if Val is available take him rather than Asik.
Think for 7 get Asik and Miami 1st back and 2012 2nd.

We also add another 2012 1st round pick.


Calderon, Bayless,( Joseph with Miami 1st)
DD Barbosa ( Weems if cheap )
JJ Kliesa
( Asik or Val ) Whiteside
Bargs, Amir, Davis

[Ackshun]

I wonder if Hassan Whiteside is available. Needs some muscle, but he'd be a better project than Alabi in my opinion.

[henrydunn13]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3jh4yr7

To Lakers: Brandon Bass + Jose Calderon

Lakers get a solid PF and PG for their great PF/SF Lamar Odom.

To Toronto: Daniel Orton + Chris Duhon + Luke Walton

Toronto get young C prospect Daniel Orton and backup PG Duhon, as well as take on Luke Walton's contract (to perhaps play SF sparingly).

To Orlando: Lamar Odom

Orlando gets a big upgrade PF/SF at the expense of a young prospect stuck behind Dwight Howard and a backup PG.

Bayless/Knight(Draft)/Duhon
DeRozan/Barbosa
J.Johnson/Kleiza/Walton
Davis/A.Johnson/Dorsey
Bargnani/Oden(FA)/Orton/Alabi

[Rapsfan07]

Thinking of a crazy blockbuster to add to the last one I proposed. This should work after contracts expires and if the Suns pick up VC's team option.

to TOR: Vince Carter, Robin Lopez, Phoenix 2012 pick (unprotected), A.J Price
to INDY: Jose Calderon, O.J Mayo
to MEM: Leandro Barbosa, Indiana 2011 pick
to PHX: Andrea Bargnani, Amir Johnson

thought?

[Indiana Jones]

just heard a rumor of a three-way deal between indy, memphis and toronto.

toronto gets rudy gay, dahntay jones and james posey
indy gets OJ mayo, xavier henry and calderon
memphis gets bargnani, paul george and 10th pick from indy and barbosa

[witnessraps]

do you really think it's logical to make a trade proposal with VC going to the Raptors?

[Rapsobsessed7]

heres my favorite off-season. Im assuming Knight is gone before we pick, thats the only way i do it.

To Toronto: Brandon Jennings + Corey Maggette + Larry Sanders
To Milwaukee: Jose Calderon + Leandro Barbosa + Rights to #5 (Kemba Walker)

Raptors get a PG best friends with Derozan and a potential solid defensive C. He has potential, is athletic, plays good defense already and blocks shots & already loves Toronto

Bucks get their top 5 pick, added scoring with Barbosa since their one of the worst offensive teams in the league.

Next: Immediately ship out Maggette

To Toronto: Matt Carroll + Desagana Diop + POR 2013 1st Round Pick
To Charlotte: Corey Maggette + TOR 2012 2nd Round Pick

Raptors get a future 1st to use as an asset, both players coming in are useless and expire the same time as Maggette except dont really do anything. Carroll adds 3 point shooting (BC talked about it) Diop is a veteran C (BC talked about this too) and a big body to throw out there.

Bobcats get better right now, trade their 2 worst contracts in order to grab a starting SF. They take the 2nd in the deep draft and get their youth that way. The difference from a 1st to 2nd is made up from the talent from Maggette - Diop + Carroll
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Free Agency:
- Sign veteran PG (Ronnie Price?)
- Sign SG (Reggie Williams, 40+% from 3 this year, good shooter, young can fill some needs)

- Allow Bayless to be 6th man.

Brandon Jennings / Jerryd Bayless / Ronnie Price
Demar Derozan / Reggie Williams / Matt Carroll
James Johnson / Linas Klezia
Ed Davis / Amir Johnson / Desagana Diop
Andrea Bargnani / Larry Sanders / Solomon Alabi

pretty nice young team IMO. You fix all the problems, you get better defensively (Jennings is above average according to MIL fans, Sanders also plays good D and blocks shots just needs to add muscle), fix 3 point shooting with guys off the bench. Build with the young team.

in 2012/2013 you draft a SF like Micheal Gilchrist/Harrison Barnes/Quincy Miller and youd have young players everywhere. You hope Sanders can add muscle and play the C effectively. For comparison sake lets compare him to Kanter who everyone wants as our future C.

Jennings / Bayless
Derozan / Williams
Gilchrist / Johnson
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / Sanders

Sanders:
- 6'11 with shoes
- 7' 5.75" wingspan
- 9' 4" standing reach
- 222 pounds (4.6% body fat %)
- 28' Max Vert

Kanter:
- 6'11 with shoes
- 7' 1.5" wingspan
- 9' 1.5" standing reach
- 259 (5.9% body fat %)
- 32 ' Max vert

Obviously Kanter is bigger weight wise but Sanders has a longer standing reach, longer wingspan and lower body fat %. If he can put on 15-20 pounds this off-season then he will be a solid C for us IMO.

[henrydunn13]

^ I don't think Sander or Diop are the answer at Center. What about free agency?

Did you see my Daniel Orton proposal?

[Rapsobsessed7]

^ I don't think Sander or Diop are the answer at Center. What about free agency?

Did you see my Daniel Orton proposal?

Diop isnt but hes a big body to throw out there for 5 fouls. Sanders i think can be. If you ask MIL fans (which i did) they said his future position in the NBA is at the C position. Once he gains muscle thats where he plays best and he blocks shots, plays good defense just doesnt have the strength now but could coming into next season. Which is why i like him. That and he compares his game to KG (the fact they are both intense defensively) and he was in Toronto for his workout last year and Kelly said he was the most impressive and Sanders loved Toronto, the coaching staff and the facility. That combine with the fact hes only 22 years old he has room to grow, add muscle and be our answer at C for the future.

As for your idea, makes a lot more sense if you take Duhon out. He has no place in the deal IMO. We wont need a PG (because i think we draft either Knight or Walker) and he adds to our salary (we take on more long term salary than just keeping Calderon). So i mean if its something like.

To TOR: Walton + Orton
To LAL: Calderon + Bass + Q.Richardson
To ORL: Odom

then i like it a lot. I dont see a team like LAL trading Odom though... i just cant see it. Calderon makes sense there but i cant see them dealing him maybe im wrong but when i think Lakers i think Odom and Bryant but thats just me.

[Rapsfan07]

do you really think it's logical to make a trade proposal with VC going to the Raptors?

Yup. That's a lot of money for us and he can be bought out if anything.

[NH]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3jh4yr7

To Lakers: Brandon Bass + Jose Calderon

Lakers get a solid PF and PG for their great PF/SF Lamar Odom.

To Toronto: Daniel Orton + Chris Duhon + Luke Walton

Toronto get young C prospect Daniel Orton and backup PG Duhon, as well as take on Luke Walton's contract (to perhaps play SF sparingly).

To Orlando: Lamar Odom

Orlando gets a big upgrade PF/SF at the expense of a young prospect stuck behind Dwight Howard and a backup PG.

Bayless/Knight(Draft)/Duhon
DeRozan/Barbosa
J.Johnson/Kleiza/Walton
Davis/A.Johnson/Dorsey
Bargnani/Oden(FA)/Orton/Alabi

Orton sucks; do not want. We already have enough backup PGs these last few sessions; time to get a real starter. Luke Walton? I mean sure, if you just want to kick Jose out of town, but I am confident there are better packages out there for Jose then this; despite all this hate for him on this board.

[NH]

heres my favorite off-season. Im assuming Knight is gone before we pick, thats the only way i do it.

To Toronto: Brandon Jennings + Corey Maggette + Larry Sanders
To Milwaukee: Jose Calderon + Leandro Barbosa + Rights to #5 (Kemba Walker)

Raptors get a PG best friends with Derozan and a potential solid defensive C. He has potential, is athletic, plays good defense already and blocks shots & already loves Toronto

Bucks get their top 5 pick, added scoring with Barbosa since their one of the worst offensive teams in the league.

Next: Immediately ship out Maggette

To Toronto: Matt Carroll + Desagana Diop + POR 2013 1st Round Pick
To Charlotte: Corey Maggette + TOR 2012 2nd Round Pick

Raptors get a future 1st to use as an asset, both players coming in are useless and expire the same time as Maggette except dont really do anything. Carroll adds 3 point shooting (BC talked about it) Diop is a veteran C (BC talked about this too) and a big body to throw out there.

Bobcats get better right now, trade their 2 worst contracts in order to grab a starting SF. They take the 2nd in the deep draft and get their youth that way. The difference from a 1st to 2nd is made up from the talent from Maggette - Diop + Carroll
______________________________________________________________________________________________
Free Agency:
- Sign veteran PG (Ronnie Price?)
- Sign SG (Reggie Williams, 40+% from 3 this year, good shooter, young can fill some needs)

- Allow Bayless to be 6th man.

Brandon Jennings / Jerryd Bayless / Ronnie Price
Demar Derozan / Reggie Williams / Matt Carroll
James Johnson / Linas Klezia
Ed Davis / Amir Johnson / Desagana Diop
Andrea Bargnani / Larry Sanders / Solomon Alabi

pretty nice young team IMO. You fix all the problems, you get better defensively (Jennings is above average according to MIL fans, Sanders also plays good D and blocks shots just needs to add muscle), fix 3 point shooting with guys off the bench. Build with the young team.

in 2012/2013 you draft a SF like Micheal Gilchrist/Harrison Barnes/Quincy Miller and youd have young players everywhere. You hope Sanders can add muscle and play the C effectively. For comparison sake lets compare him to Kanter who everyone wants as our future C.

Jennings / Bayless
Derozan / Williams
Gilchrist / Johnson
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / Sanders

Sanders:
- 6'11 with shoes
- 7' 5.75" wingspan
- 9' 4" standing reach
- 222 pounds (4.6% body fat %)
- 28' Max Vert

Kanter:
- 6'11 with shoes
- 7' 1.5" wingspan
- 9' 1.5" standing reach
- 259 (5.9% body fat %)
- 32 ' Max vert

Obviously Kanter is bigger weight wise but Sanders has a longer standing reach, longer wingspan and lower body fat %. If he can put on 15-20 pounds this off-season then he will be a solid C for us IMO.

This is a good trade proposal actually, though I think the Raps giving up the 5th pick entirely is a bit too much, so if we can get back their 10th pick or even a 2nd rounder; won't be too bad. I like the idea of flipping Maggette to Charlotte too. I don't think we can get a good C in FA this year anyways.