Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread Part 9

NH · Post #401 » by NH » Mon May 30, 2011 9:25 pm

Interesting in the wiretap that Jazz will proceed under the assumption that Okur is not coming back. That might signal them getting Kanter, which to me makes more sense than them drafting a PG. So:

Cavs: Irving
Minni: D Williams
Utah: Kanter
Cavs: Jonas Val?
Raptors: Knight

I think this is the ideal situation for the Raps if we want to stay on this pick. What may mess this up is if Cavs go Derrick Williams first, in which case Minni goes Kanter, Utah Irving (steal), Cavs Knight, and we have to choose Jonas or Walker...

ty123 · Post #402 » by **ty123** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:28 pm

arbsn wrote:It sucks that we can't pick Kahwi Leonard.

Him and DeMar next to eachother would be an absolute disaster (kinda like James Johnson and DeMar next to eachother).

The best part about our team is our only certified shooter is our center roflmao.

As long as we don't pick Brandon Knight I'm happy. Guy can't even blow by a chair.

Dalek · Post #403 » by **Dalek** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:44 pm

NH wrote:Interesting in the wiretap that Jazz will proceed under the assumption that Okur is not coming back. That might signal them getting Kanter, which to me makes more sense than them drafting a PG. So:

Cavs: Irving
Minni: D Williams
Utah: Kanter
Cavs: Jonas Val?
Raptors: Knight

I think this is the ideal situation for the Raps if we want to stay on this pick. What may mess this up is if Cavs go Derrick Williams first, in which case Minni goes Kanter, Utah Irving (steal), Cavs Knight, and we have to choose Jonas or Walker...

My feeling is they draft Kanter and trade Jefferson for Bargs. It makes sense for both teams considering Bargs can fill an Okur role and Jefferson is a good low post scorer and better rebounder.

DreamTeam09 · Post #404 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:53 pm

Crooked_J wrote:
My feeling is they draft Kanter and trade Jefferson for Bargs. It makes sense for both teams considering Bargs can fill an Okur role and Jefferson is a good low post scorer and better rebounder.

Why would we want Al freaking Jefferson when we have Ed Davis??? Jefferson is not the player the raps need at all right now.

Dr Positivity · Post #405 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:07 am

The Lockedonjazz Utah guy did video breakdowns for Derrick Williams and Brandon Knight:

http://www.nba.com/jazz/features/locked_on_jazz.html

(he also has ones for Val, Kanter, Vesely in the past, just google it)

Haven't watched it yet, no sound/headphones on this computer. But he writes a lot on them. Loves Knight, has concerns with Williams effort level

Dr Positivity · Post #406 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:30 am

I'm kind of glad we won't end up with Williams. Talented guy but I could definitely see him being a faux franchise guy, someone who gets his 20ppg but doesn't play d and is inefficient due to staying on the perimeter taking shats. I don't know if I'd want to go down that road and hand the keys of the franchise over to him, as it would appear we would after a likely ROY type campaign

Post #407 » by **5DOM** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:46 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:I'm kind of glad we won't end up with Williams. Talented guy but I could definitely see him being a faux franchise guy, someone who gets his 20ppg but doesn't play d and is inefficient due to staying on the perimeter taking shats. I don't know if I'd want to go down that road and hand the keys of the franchise over to him, as it would appear we would after a likely ROY type campaign

Why do you say that? His defense wasn't even bad in college and he certainly didn't stay on the perimeter.

Dr Positivity · Post #408 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:56 am

He will likely play SF in the league. He's repeatedly said wants to and Minny, Utah's lineups will make him a SF (and we would too with Davis/Amir). At SF I think he'll be too slow to play good d. And with a size advantage instead of speed and skill one, I see him using his height to get jumpshots offensively

Indeed · Post #409 » by **Indeed** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:24 am

NH wrote:Interesting in the wiretap that Jazz will proceed under the assumption that Okur is not coming back. That might signal them getting Kanter, which to me makes more sense than them drafting a PG. So:

Cavs: Irving
Minni: D Williams
Utah: Kanter
Cavs: Jonas Val?
Raptors: Knight

I think this is the ideal situation for the Raps if we want to stay on this pick. What may mess this up is if Cavs go Derrick Williams first, in which case Minni goes Kanter, Utah Irving (steal), Cavs Knight, and we have to choose Jonas or Walker...

Most likely they will take Knight, and I think Cleveland just want to hype up Jonas in case Kanter is really gone.

As for Okur, maybe they want to resign him for cheap, so I am assuming they will draft a big at #12.
However, I am not sure their situation with AK as well. I am not sure would they like Veseley to replace him. He would provide more impact at SF/PF than drafting a C.

Dr Positivity · Post #410 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:30 am

I think Utah takes Kanter, he seems like the outright BPA there, and if I'm Utah I don't care about Jefferson any more than Harris so I'm not as concerned with the fit question there. Favors, Jefferson, Kanter frontcourt works too. Just have to trade Millsap

Knight really feels like our guy, whether it'll be a good thing or not

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #411 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:33 am

Anybody know when the Raptors will start bringing in some prospects for workouts?

sunny · Post #412 » by **sunny** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:46 am

Derrick Williams and Demar went to watch an AAU event on the weekend together.

Derrick and Ed Davis have been also working out together this past month.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #413 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:21 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VnSDwlzdpY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Selby is very intriguing imo. If we were to going to acquire a late pick to select a guard, I'd definitely go with him I think.

IrMitchell · Post #414 » by **IrMitchell** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:37 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VnSDwlzdpY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Selby is very intriguing imo. If we were to going to acquire a late pick to select a guard, I'd definitely go with him I think.

Lol I'm a Kansas fan, there is nothing "intriguing" about him. He couldn't get on the floor for more than like 8 minutes a game he was so bad. Just terrible.

NH · Post #415 » by NH » Tue May 31, 2011 3:36 pm

Really good read this morning from Stephen B. at Hoopsworld:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19964

He seems to like Walker as the safe pick. I am starting to hop on the Brandon Knight bandwagon though; I really want a star player on this team. Knight, Derozan, and Ed Davis will be a nice exciting young core to build around. There is a good chance I think Knight can be had at the 5th pick.

That said, I think PG is not our most immediate need. C is our most immediate need; we only have friggin Solomon Alabi as our true C!!! Next is SF, as JJ and Linas K are only bench SFs. PG is third; I can live with another season of Bayless and Jose if needed.

bonjovi0308 · Post #416 » by **bonjovi0308** » Tue May 31, 2011 3:46 pm

NH wrote:Really good read this morning from Stephen B. at Hoopsworld:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19964

He seems to like Walker as the safe pick. I am starting to hop on the Brandon Knight bandwagon though; I really want a star player on this team. Knight, Derozan, and Ed Davis will be a nice exciting young core to build around. There is a good chance I think Knight can be had at the 5th pick.

That said, I think PG is not our most immediate need. C is our most immediate need; we only have friggin Solomon Alabi as our true C!!! Next is SF, as JJ and Linas K are only bench SFs. PG is third; I can live with another season of Bayless and Jose if needed.

I'm happy with either Knight or Walker, but..

Walker: averaged 24.6 points, 6.2 rebounds, 5.0 assists, and 2.1 steals in 38.3 minutes over his last 11 games and was his coach's and teammates' go-to-guy in every tough situation down the stretch. 6' 1" tall at the NBA draft combine and had a 39.5" vertical jump

Knight: 6' 3.5" tall, is one of the fastest players tested in his draft class, and shows excellent athleticism with a 37.5" maximum vertical jump. Add in his 17.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, and 4.2 assists

If both are available, I don't see the reason why BC should choose Knight over Walker. The only advantages Knight have over Walker are 2 years younger and a bigger body frame. Everything else Walker > Knight. IMO.

ty123 · Post #417 » by **ty123** » Tue May 31, 2011 3:50 pm

NH wrote:Really good read this morning from Stephen B. at Hoopsworld:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19964

He seems to like Walker as the safe pick. I am starting to hop on the Brandon Knight bandwagon though; I really want a star player on this team. Knight, Derozan, and Ed Davis will be a nice exciting young core to build around. There is a good chance I think Knight can be had at the 5th pick.

That said, I think PG is not our most immediate need. C is our most immediate need; we only have friggin Solomon Alabi as our true C!!! Next is SF, as JJ and Linas K are only bench SFs. PG is third; I can live with another season of Bayless and Jose if needed.

You should hop off the Knight bandwagon and get back onto the Walker bandwagon. The PG you see in college will be th PG you see in the NBA. Kemba played his first two years as pass first PG, so he shouldn't have a problem.

If you want to get a star player then you should go after Alec Burks. He's the only one with star potential on our range.

Indeed · Post #418 » by **Indeed** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:18 pm

ty123 wrote:
NH wrote:Really good read this morning from Stephen B. at Hoopsworld:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19964

He seems to like Walker as the safe pick. I am starting to hop on the Brandon Knight bandwagon though; I really want a star player on this team. Knight, Derozan, and Ed Davis will be a nice exciting young core to build around. There is a good chance I think Knight can be had at the 5th pick.

That said, I think PG is not our most immediate need. C is our most immediate need; we only have friggin Solomon Alabi as our true C!!! Next is SF, as JJ and Linas K are only bench SFs. PG is third; I can live with another season of Bayless and Jose if needed.

You should hop off the Knight bandwagon and get back onto the Walker bandwagon. The PG you see in college will be th PG you see in the NBA. Kemba played his first two years as pass first PG, so he shouldn't have a problem.

If you want to get a star player then you should go after Alec Burks. He's the only one with star potential on our range.

I agree. Walker has the thing in him, and playing as PG, we can hide some of his defensive problem.
As for Alec Burks, I like his physical tools. He can really useful as a two-way player. However, I am unsure about his mentality on defense, I don't want him to become Weems 2.0.

Reignman · Post #419 » by **Reignman** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:32 pm

Just to play devil's advocate, how do you guys think Knight would look if he stayed in college for 3 years like Kemba?

The point of the draft isn't what you'll get today, it's about what you get today, tomorrow and 5 years down the road and that's where Knight looks like the better prospect because of age, size and athleticism. Kemba might be better out of the gates but Knight has the potential to be far better down the road.

Indeed · Post #420 » by **Indeed** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:39 pm

Reignman wrote:Just to play devil's advocate, how do you guys think Knight would look if he stayed in college for 3 years like Kemba?

The point of the draft isn't what you'll get today, it's about what you get today, tomorrow and 5 years down the road and that's where Knight looks like the better prospect because of age, size and athleticism. Kemba might be better out of the gates but Knight has the potential to be far better down the road.

It is hard to hard to judge potential. You look at Bargnani, he has all the tools to become a better one, his physical tools and ability are greater than Dirk, but sometimes some people are different, they have the mentality to mash with the team.

I think Kemba with his leadership and mentality (willingness to pass the ball) would help improve the team's decision making. We have Bayless, Barbosa, DeRozan, Weems where none of them are good at creating for others, so adding Kemba at this point might also help their development.