Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

doc.end · Post #361 » by **doc.end** » Mon May 30, 2011 1:22 pm

Rebounding I guess.

Bizz · Post #362 » by **Bizz** » Mon May 30, 2011 2:18 pm

I think that Noah comparison comes from activity. Valanciunas is fairly active and is not shy during games. He tries to make his mark on the game but is not always successful.

hotrod · Post #363 » by **hotrod** » Mon May 30, 2011 11:59 pm

BigSlam wrote:
hotrod wrote:I am gonna throw in my 2 cents here. If we would consider Burks at 9, I think we should then consider Brooks there also. I have read a few posters say that Brooks is not as athletic as others.That is not correct. If you think D Wade and James Harden are not athletic, then Brooks is more unathletic. Brooks has a better vertical than both those guys. I was surprised as well.

You are looking at the numbers too closely/relying on the combine numbers wayyyyyyyyyyyy too much hotrod.

You know that Durant had one of THE worst verts in his draft class (bottom 5 if I remember). Didn't look too shabby when he stuffed his junk down Haywoods face last week though!

Not really going by the numbers, just used them to support my point. Brooks passes the eye test with me. The guy can flat out ball.

As far as KD, the guy is 6'10", of course he can dunk on a stiff like Haywood with a running start.

SWedd523 · Post #364 » by **SWedd523** » Tue May 31, 2011 5:44 am

Looking at the DX draft, the guys available to us are (in DX's order):

Marcus Morris
Bismack Biyombo
Alec Burks
Donatas Motiejunas

Who do you think the FO decides to go with?

Fred Williamson · Post #365 » by **Fred Williamson** » Tue May 31, 2011 6:09 am

out of these four? Burks.

Stun704 · Post #366 » by **Stun704** » Tue May 31, 2011 6:32 am

Biyombo is falling, how good would our draft be if we get Burks and Biyombo? i wouldn't be surprised of Biyombo gets the Blair treatment of a few years ago

Post #367 » by **Diop** » Tue May 31, 2011 6:58 am

It's been a funny ride for Bismack, when we first heard about him this was our general response:

Ohara on 17 March 2011 wrote:I dont know what to say about this one. RGM Mock from 3/15 has us taking Bismack Biyombo, a PF from Baloncesto Fuenlabrada. A 6' 7" 248 lb project PF. On ESPN they have him rated #66 and 2nd round to undrafted. What in the heck is Chris R. thinking here at RGM with us taking this kid at #10?

(saying that Draftexpress now rank him as 10, Chris R. could look like a genius here)

Then he goes mad in a couple of games and gets ranked as high as 3 before slipping down the drafts again.

I wonder where he will end up.

bobcats3wallace · Post #368 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue May 31, 2011 10:11 am

Sachmo wrote:It's been a funny ride for Bismack, when we first heard about him this was our general response:

Ohara on 17 March 2011 wrote:I dont know what to say about this one. RGM Mock from 3/15 has us taking Bismack Biyombo, a PF from Baloncesto Fuenlabrada. A 6' 7" 248 lb project PF. On ESPN they have him rated #66 and 2nd round to undrafted. What in the heck is Chris R. thinking here at RGM with us taking this kid at #10?
(saying that Draftexpress now rank him as 10, Chris R. could look like a genius here)

Then he goes mad in a couple of games and gets ranked as high as 3 before slipping down the drafts again.

I wonder where he will end up.

I think he is solely the product of a weak draft and over hype. He's has a couple good games and suddenly he is a top 5 pick? He's too small to play C and is very limited on offense. I will be beyond pissed if we waisted our pick on this guy. Certainly this is a guy on my DO NOT DRAFT list.

doc.end · Post #369 » by **doc.end** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:31 am

He is slipping because he is showibng in no workouts (as most of the rest of players from Europe). He was raising when he had that truiple double and he will be raising again during Eurocamp and his individual workouts (and when more relevant people see his medical paper proving his age)

Badd_Intentions · Post #370 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Tue May 31, 2011 12:50 pm

The NBA and NFL drafts are funny. I laugh when I see this whole "he's rising" and "he's falling" when there are no games to be played. I can understand if there are character issues, but i'm sure game film is the top contributing factor to where guys get drafted. I mean even a guy like Kawhi, seems to be shooting well in workouts, but shooting well in workouts and games are completely different things. I'm not saying a guy can't improve his game, but I think sometimes people take workouts a bit too seriously.

Bassman · Post #371 » by **Bassman** » Tue May 31, 2011 1:11 pm

hotrod wrote:Not really going by the numbers, just used them to support my point. Brooks passes the eye test with me. The guy can flat out ball.

Great point Hotrod. Some guys may not be in ideal situations, but they just produce. I think Brooks has those qualities. Probably not the right pick at 9 unless he absolutely wows us and is rising into late lottery status. But I think he will be a player in the league. He could emulate other guys who were picked lower because of school/competition variables but became stars (Wade, Arenas), or be a guy who could flat out score in college but struggled in the NBA (a la Morris Almond).

ohara · Post #372 » by **ohara** » Tue May 31, 2011 1:23 pm

Sachmo wrote:It's been a funny ride for Bismack, when we first heard about him this was our general response:

Ohara on 17 March 2011 wrote:I dont know what to say about this one. RGM Mock from 3/15 has us taking Bismack Biyombo, a PF from Baloncesto Fuenlabrada. A 6' 7" 248 lb project PF. On ESPN they have him rated #66 and 2nd round to undrafted. What in the heck is Chris R. thinking here at RGM with us taking this kid at #10?
(saying that Draftexpress now rank him as 10, Chris R. could look like a genius here)

Then he goes mad in a couple of games and gets ranked as high as 3 before slipping down the drafts again.

I wonder where he will end up.

Seeing him as high as #4, and as low as #14. Although taking him at #9 scares me, I'd be very happy to take a chance on him at #19. Just dont think he will quite fall that far.

bobcats3wallace · Post #373 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:33 pm

I hate Bioyumbo at #9, and i agree, it's a scary thought. However, if he were to fall to #19 then i'm okay with taking the chance on him. Completely agree with ohara. i also don't think he will fall that far....

Rich4114 · Post #374 » by **Rich4114** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:08 am

I would pass on this guy, we can't waste a pick on another guy who can't put the ball through the hoop. It's too bad he wasn't like 6'11". This guy's ceiling is Okafor it seems.

W_HAMILTON · Post #375 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:23 am

I noticed how most seemed to conveniently side-step your Okafor comment before...if everyone wanted to run Okafor out of here, why would Biyombo be any better? He just seems like an unproven, riskier version of Okafor.

ohara · Post #376 » by **ohara** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:43 am

Valanciunas's team in Europe is going to screw him over. They are raising the price of his buyout. He wont go Top 5 for sure, and may even fall out of the Lottery with them being greedy.

If Biyombo can give us what we got from Okafor, but at a #19 pick rather than a #2 pick, I dont think I'd be terribly upset. Resign Kwame and that gives us 2 bigs who can play inside. But what happens at #9 will greatly impact what happens at #19.

W_HAMILTON · Post #377 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 12:46 am

I don't think the question is whether we should draft him at #19; the question is whether we should draft him at #9, or as mentioned in another thread, at #4 (given our draft polls).

Badd_Intentions · Post #378 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:07 am

Heres a question, Assuming we go big at 9 and at 19 Jimmer, Brooks, and Hamilton are on the board who do we take??

bobcats3wallace · Post #379 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:11 am

Badd_Intentions wrote:Heres a question, Assuming we go big at 9 and at 19 Jimmer, Brooks, and Hamilton are on the board who do we take??

Hamilton without a doubt! IF we could pull off getting Hamilton at 19 then I guess i could maybe live with Bioyumbo at 9...that's how happy I would be with Hamilton at 19.

bobcats3wallace · Post #380 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Wed Jun 1, 2011 1:12 am

ohara wrote:Valanciunas's team in Europe is going to screw him over. They are raising the price of his buyout. He wont go Top 5 for sure, and may even fall out of the Lottery with them being greedy.

If Biyombo can give us what we got from Okafor, but at a #19 pick rather than a #2 pick, I dont think I'd be terribly upset. Resign Kwame and that gives us 2 bigs who can play inside. But what happens at #9 will greatly impact what happens at #19.

Yeah, I think that officially eliminated him from us drafting him. To pay 3 million plus his salary for him to play and not even know if he will pan out? WAY too much to ask for at pick 9 or perhaps even 19...