Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[fatlever]

did anyone catch the interview with bonnell this morning on 730AM? i only heard the last few mintues but seems like they were talking about honeycut. i didnt hear what was said though.

only part i heard was bonnell talking about how amazing jax looks and how much of a leader he has become since being named captain. he had very high praise for jax.

[Bassman]

Thinking that at #19 someone like Hamilton or Klay or Marshon will be available, I'm starting to wonder if we should be looking to take Nikola Vucevic at #9 and then the best wing shooter left at #19?

I'm just getting done watching that Nikola Vucevic footage on DX and can't help but think that there were a lot of dudes all busted up that we passed up on Lopez in his draft class - is Nikola Vucevic going to be much worse than him?

Their pre-draft measurements are almost exactly the same:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brook-Lopez-545/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nik ... evic-5828/

Vucevic seems to have a great mix of inside/outside and rebounding/shot blocking. Maybe he's the next best big option behind Kanter this year? Vucevic might not have super star potential, but if we got 5-10 solid years out of him at the 5 spot and then lucked out with either Hamilton or Klay or Marshon busting out - how good a draft would that be???

Slam, a little late to your post, but I tend to agree with you. IF, and that is a true IF, Vucevic proves in his workouts that he's all that, and he's rising rapidly up the boards (as I think he is), I do believe you seriously consider taking him at 9. He fits our biggest need (pun intended), provides an immediate post game, and appears to be a quality rebounder and decent defender, plus has range on his shot. Not sure how well he can defend in space, but he's athletic enough to pull it off with some coaching. Hopefully Brooks would still be available at 19.

[BigSlam]

Lifted from hotrod's other post:

Two teams actively trying to trade down are the Utah Jazz and Cleveland Cavaliers, according to sources. The Cavs have been telling agents they are actively trying to acquire a draft pick in the 10-19 range, which is why certain player with no chance of being picked in the top four are coming to Cleveland for workouts. The No. 1 and No. 4 picks are the Cavs' only first round picks. This would certainly be an option if they believe Derrick Williams and Enes Kanter will both be gone in the top three picks. The Jazz are exploring every option, especially trading down from the No. 3 pick

http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=741

Wonder if the Jazz would be interested in #9 and #19 for #3?

That would give them picks #9, #12 and #19 and would give us Kanter.

Pretty good deal if you ask me!

Also from the same report:

There is a chance that Motiejunas and/or Valanciunas could withdraw from the NBA Draft by the June 13 deadline

Wouldn't that be a kick in the nuts to an already soft'ish draft class!

[countryboi]

9 and 19 is not going to have enough juice to get us 3... we would need to add something else and the cupboard is bare. we need both Motiejunas and Valanciunas to be in his draft there is already barely 9-10 guys worth picking in the lottery anyway.

[fatlever]

this is so much more fun compared to last year when we had no picks. what the hell did i do in june last year?

[fatlever]

this is so much more fun compared to last year when we had no picks. what the hell did i do in june last year?

oh yeah, world cup.

[ohara]

Not completely sold on Biyombo at #9 yet, but I am definitely feeling more comfortable with him should we end up taking him at #9. Most of what I see now acknowledges his offensive short comings, applauds his defense and rebounding, and thinks his offense will get better with experience as he has a good work ethic. Is he worth the risk at #9 if still on the board? I'm sure the opinion here is split, and likely will still be on draft day.

[Marvel]

I don't like Burks, Brooks, or Klay....*vomit* I'm meh on Hamilton, but i'd prefer him at 9 than the latter prospects.

For seven years I have made this same rant I am about to make. First as Pointguard#1 then I became Geraldmutumbo now I am DJquick. I really don't understand how some of you can be so convinced of your own opinion. You haven't been to one of these workouts. You have not had one conversation with any of the players, coaches, or combine staff. You most certainly are not God. You do not know any of these player's future. Yet you guys can be so imperative. These players are being evaluated by experts who have guidelines by which the whole nba judges. Yet all of them get it wrong half the time. But for some reason many of you think you know more than the experts do.

None of us have any information except for what little they allow to filter out. I have my favorites like everyone else. Yet I am not so arrogant as to completely dismiss any players. I like Burks, Klay, Singleton, and Biyombo at nine in that order. But if Mike picks one of the Morris twins or Tristan I will just assume that they know something that I don't. Why? Because even though the Bobcats have not been the best drafters I realize that they always have their reasons to pick who they pick. I realize that they are using the same guidelines the Spurs, and Celics are using. They just have not had a lot of luck. WHEN...the bobcats disappoint some of you, and they will. Some of you will act like complete babies. It always happens.

My friends tell me all of the time, "Dann you know that those boards are full of children who have know idea what they are talking about." At times like this I believe that they are right. Just this once can we try to be mature, and just support our team whether we like the picks or not? Is that really to much to ask?

Really? You're going to rant about THIS on a draft discussion board. That's like going to a wet t-shirt competition and asking the guys not to look. Seems like a whole lot of irony to me, since you're the one crying about it.

[BigSlam]

Team Needs: Southeast Division

Charlotte Bobcats

Needs: PG, SF, C

Picks: 8, 19, 39

Few teams are as porous as the Bobcats, who not only have two distinct positions to fill (SF and C), but are not even satisfied with their strongest positions. The organization’s love/hate relationship with D.J. Augustin continues despite his respectable PER of 15.97 (better than Conley, Wall, Jennings and Holiday). Stephen Jackson is getting old, and Gerald Henderson hasn’t yet proven that he can be a starter in the league. Gerald Wallace’s mid-season departure left a gaping hole at SF, and even after signing that lucrative 5-year deal and posting an excellent PER of 18.25, Tyrus Thomas started just two games at PF. Don’t even bother wondering who their center is.

This team is a mess, but their cap space is bright: Charlotte can look forward to losing Joel Przybilla ($7.4 million) and Morris Peterson ($6.6 million) to free agency, and they have three valuable draft picks, including two in the top 20. They would be wise to target Wilson Chandler and possibly Greg Oden in free agency, though their mindset in signing players will be decided by the direction that they take in the draft.

Charlotte will have a huge decision when their turn comes at #9, as they could have the opportunity to grab a raw but potential-laden bigman (Tristan Thompson, Donatas Motiejunas, Bismack Biyombo) to team with Tyrus Thomas for the future, though it might be wise to target an impact wing player who also has considerable potential. Alec Burks and Kawhi Leonard would be excellent options, and Marcus Morris could be a great fit with the versatility to play either forward position at the next level. Considering how shallow they are at the swing, and seeing as only three teams hit fewer three-pointers last season, it would make sense to target a shooter at 19, such as Jordan Hamilton, Klay Thompson or Marshon Brooks

http://www.nbadraft.net/team-needs-southeast-division-1

[BigSlam]

9 and 19 is not going to have enough juice to get us 3... we would need to add something else and the cupboard is bare.

I wonder if Hendo and #9 would have any attraction to the Jazz? They need a SG and Hendo's skill set would mesh pretty well with Hayward.

That would be even better for us, because then at #19 we could still land Klay, Hamilton or Brooks.

DJ - Klay - Jax - T2 - Kanter

[bobcats3wallace]

9 and 19 is not going to have enough juice to get us 3... we would need to add something else and the cupboard is bare.

I wonder if Hendo and #9 would have any attraction to the Jazz? They need a SG and Hendo's skill set would mesh pretty well with Hayward.

That would be even better for us, because then at #19 we could still land Klay, Hamilton or Brooks.

DJ - Klay - Jax - T2 - Kanter

I don't think I would give up that much for Kanter. I think his skill level is being a bit exaggerated by the lack of a strong draft. Hendo is a guy who showed potential and who you know what you will have in the NBA. With Kanter you don't even know if he is a PF or a C in the nba. Just too many questions for me to give up that much for him.

I also HIGHLY doubt Klay will fall down to 19. His stock is rising, not falling. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go in the 8-12 range.

[doc.end]

I am thinking about rather trading up for Biyombo. Like something like

Biyombo takers' pick for 9th and DJ White

or 5th-7th? pick + their second rounder( or even future pick) for 9th and Diaw. Add irrelevant throw-ins if needed.

I know you are not that high on Biyombo (that's why I want to trade a big man preferably) but it should work the same way for any available player. I think we shouldn't trade up for a small though. What do you think?

[BigSlam]

I don't think I would give up that much for Kanter. I think his skill level is being a bit exaggerated by the lack of a strong draft. Hendo is a guy who showed potential and who you know what you will have in the NBA.

Ya, a guy who can't seem to stay healthy, has no range on his J and limited handles!!

I also HIGHLY doubt Klay will fall down to 19. His stock is rising, not falling. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go in the 8-12 range

Then we could take Hamilton or Brooks.

[Eoghan]

Man, we giving up on Henderson already? He only started like half a season and was getting better and better, hitting clutch shots and playing lock down defense. Let's see what the kid can do without the LB albatross hanging around his neck, i.e. a full training camp under Silas, before we go trading him for question mark foreign bigs and a dude that "tore up" teams like Idaho St.

Can't stay healthy, please, he had a congenital defect that he's been playing through practically his whole life.

[Kembastockton]

I don't like Burks, Brooks, or Klay....*vomit* I'm meh on Hamilton, but i'd prefer him at 9 than the latter prospects.

For seven years I have made this same rant I am about to make. First as Pointguard#1 then I became Geraldmutumbo now I am DJquick. I really don't understand how some of you can be so convinced of your own opinion. You haven't been to one of these workouts. You have not had one conversation with any of the players, coaches, or combine staff. You most certainly are not God. You do not know any of these player's future. Yet you guys can be so imperative. These players are being evaluated by experts who have guidelines by which the whole nba judges. Yet all of them get it wrong half the time. But for some reason many of you think you know more than the experts do.

None of us have any information except for what little they allow to filter out. I have my favorites like everyone else. Yet I am not so arrogant as to completely dismiss any players. I like Burks, Klay, Singleton, and Biyombo at nine in that order. But if Mike picks one of the Morris twins or Tristan I will just assume that they know something that I don't. Why? Because even though the Bobcats have not been the best drafters I realize that they always have their reasons to pick who they pick. I realize that they are using the same guidelines the Spurs, and Celics are using. They just have not had a lot of luck. WHEN...the bobcats disappoint some of you, and they will. Some of you will act like complete babies. It always happens.

My friends tell me all of the time, "Dann you know that those boards are full of children who have know idea what they are talking about." At times like this I believe that they are right. Just this once can we try to be mature, and just support our team whether we like the picks or not? Is that really to much to ask?

Really? You're going to rant about THIS on a draft discussion board. That's like going to a wet t-shirt competition and asking the guys not to look. Seems like a whole lot of irony to me, since you're the one crying about it.

The point is my friend is that none of us know enough to be disrespectful of anyone else's opinion. I am reminded of a couple years ago when there was a guy who could not stop talking about Rodney Carney and everyone else who didnot share his desire to draft Carney was an idiot.

[Marvel]

I am thinking about rather trading up for Biyombo. Like something like

Biyombo takers' pick for 9th and DJ White

or 5th-7th? pick + their second rounder( or even future pick) for 9th and Diaw. Add irrelevant throw-ins if needed.

I know you are not that high on Biyombo (that's why I want to trade a big man preferably) but it should work the same way for any available player. I think we shouldn't trade up for a small though. What do you think?

I'm hoping that BB keeps being slept on and he creeps right on up to us at 9. But if that were the case and i was MJ, i would trade up to grab BB.

[ohara]

Chad Ford Insider article this evening. On Bobcats, said they will be conservative with #9, looking for someone they know can help, even if less of a ceiling. Not going to swing for the fences - which would indicate Biyombo is not in their plans. More likely #9 will come from : Klay T., Tristan T., J. Hamilton, C. Singleton or Morris Twins. At #19, likely Faried, Markief Morris, Brooks or Vucevic.

Also said that the team was most impressed by Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard, but feel both will be gone by #9.

[BigSlam]

this is so much more fun compared to last year when we had no picks. what the hell did i do in june last year?

oh yeah, world cup.

Don't forget that the bitter old man spent much of last summer pissing on our parade - which took the shine off a lot of things. Without that hate hanging over the team things are a lot more enjoyable this year.

[fatlever]

Chad Ford Insider article this evening. On Bobcats, said they will be conservative with #9, looking for someone they know can help, even if less of a ceiling. Not going to swing for the fences - which would indicate Biyombo is not in their plans. More likely #9 will come from : Klay T., Tristan T., J. Hamilton, C. Singleton or Morris Twins. At #19, likely Faried, Markief Morris, Brooks or Vucevic.

Also said that the team was most impressed by Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard, but feel both will be gone by #9.

this draft most likely isnt going to produce many all-stars and maybe not even a bunch of regular starters. but it most likely will be deep with guys in that 6 to 8 range. maybe this isnt the draft to be chasing home runs. normally i would suggest drafting players who have tons of upside trying to find a gem, but this year i think i am ok with us staying safe in the first round and simply finding two players who we know will contribute.

[BigSlam]

Chad Ford Insider article this evening. On Bobcats, said they will be conservative with #9, looking for someone they know can help, even if less of a ceiling. Not going to swing for the fences - which would indicate Biyombo is not in their plans. More likely #9 will come from : Klay T., Tristan T., J. Hamilton, C. Singleton or Morris Twins. At #19, likely Faried, Markief Morris, Brooks or Vucevic

Of the group, Leonard and Walker are at the top of their list, but neither player is projected to be on the board at No. 9. That should leave the two Thompsons (Klay and Tristan), Hamilton, Singleton and the Morris twins battling it out to be the 9th pick.

Faried, Markieff Morris, Brooks and Vucevic are all serious possibilities with the 19th pick.