Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread Part 9

Post #1101 » by **5DOM** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:10 pm

Did people see this?

Lucas Nogueira – 6'9”, 6'10” w/ shoes, 9'3” standing reach, 7'4” wingspan, 1'9” vertical.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/201#ixzz1P6PA0MED
http://www.draftexpress.com

That's disappointing.

RomaniaLuvTR · Post #1102 » by **RomaniaLuvTR** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:35 pm

E-TRAK wrote:Donats.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0JdLMTqgao&feature=player_embedded#at=33[/youtube]

bargs is hundred time better,and i`m not kidding there`s a huge difference betweem them, this guy will not have a long career in this nba..

PowerPhil15 · Post #1103 » by **PowerPhil15** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:41 pm

the euro prospects are dissapointing wow.

i want to see some stuff with val though before we can rule all of the top prospects out

Indeed · Post #1104 » by **Indeed** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:49 pm

RomaniaLuvTR wrote:
E-TRAK wrote:Donats.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0JdLMTqgao&feature=player_embedded#at=33[/youtube]

bargs is hundred time better,and i`m not kidding there`s a huge difference betweem them, this guy will not have a long career in this nba..

He is a lefty, usually they are smarter (Bosh, Davis).
Donats doesn't seem to be very quick, maybe he is tired. A late lotto pick might be possible. Still a decent big man prospect in this draft.

Los Manos · Post #1105 » by **Los Manos** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:59 pm

RomaniaLuvTR wrote:bargs is hundred time better,and i`m not kidding there`s a huge difference betweem them, this guy will not have a long career in this nba..

I think the reaction here to Donatas' 5 min workout vid only illustrates just how flawed it is to dismiss Biyombo because of his. Who in their right mind would watch that 5 minute workout video and make up their mind about a player?

Donatas IS a player, with legitimate skills both offensively and defensively who has been scouted for 3+ years. We've known who he is for a long time, he just doesn't appear to have the motor that most scouts believe could make him an above average NBA player but he certainly has the skillset. I agree with everyone who says he looked like crap and a second round pick at best in that 5 min workout vid but he is clearly a better, more skilled player than he showed there. I don't want him anywhere near this team but seriously the reaction to both Biyombo's and Donatas' workout vid is ridiculous. They both looked god awful but you only need to watch game tape to judge who they are as players right now and to get a rudimentary gauge on where their development might take them. Yes they both have big questions marks besides them (along with nearly every prospect in this draft) but they have proven to be better players than in those workout vids, so why are people so ready to judge their potential NBA impact on a 5 minute workout video? I really don't get it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqK-YXlsHs[/youtube]

microjacklin · Post #1106 » by **microjacklin** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:06 pm

Just because Kemba is the main scoring guy in Uconn doesn't mean he can't play PG
Uconn's talent drop big time if you take Kemba out of that team
that's why Kemba need to be more aggressive on scoring than passing

Los Manos · Post #1107 » by **Los Manos** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:16 pm

PowerPhil15 wrote:the euro prospects are dissapointing wow.

i want to see some stuff with val though before we can rule all of the top prospects out

You'll learn more from Val by looking at his play in the Lithuanian finals a month ago than you will any 1 on 0 workout (which won't happen as he is with the Lithuanian Under 19's already.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbF1X10UXHw[/youtube]

Or by looking at some highlights over this season:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNugzv7_Uo[/youtube]

It would have been nice to see a bit more of his game in a workout like his jumpshot out to 18 feet, ability to handle the ball and post footwork. All of which have been said to be limited due to his role at Rytas and could be helpful in gauging how sharp his development curve will be in the NBA. But it's not going to tell you anymore about where his game is right now than his play the past season. A highlight reel isn't ideal either but you'll learn more about a player from that than any short workout video.

PHANTOMPHOENIX · Post #1108 » by **PHANTOMPHOENIX** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:18 pm

In general, these 1 on 0 workouts are pointless.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1109 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:22 pm

5DOM wrote:Did people see this?

Lucas Nogueira – 6'9”, 6'10” w/ shoes, 9'3” standing reach, 7'4” wingspan, 1'9” vertical.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/201#ixzz1P6PA0MED
http://www.draftexpress.com

That's disappointing.

Yeah Bebe had some pretty disappointing results. I read that some GMs did not like his attitude either.

While Biyombo and Monteijunas received a lot of buzz leading up to their individual workouts, the player receiving the most buzz who is actually fully participating in the camp is Lucas “Bebe” Nogueira. But, the buzz isn't all warmth and fuzz, with one GM saying, “[he's] So raw… So raw… and he's out there on the court laughing with all the guys – it's like, ‘get serious,' ” and others reaffirming that notion that he did not help himself at all with his first day showing.

Indeed Noguiera looked very raw and showed some questionable body language throughout the day.

Early on he looked very uncomfortable when forced to put the ball on the floor or pass and he failed to stand out going up against fellow lanky big man and camp teammate (Team 1) Bengaly Fofana.

As the day went on, in two five-on-five games, Bebe showed a bit better. First he registered 5 points, 5 rebounds and 4 blocks when going up against Sarra Camara and Team 4. Then, he exhibited a bit more offense going for 11 points and 5 rebounds against the Serbia U19 squad later in the day. His decision making left something to be desired, as did the lack of awareness and experience he showed on both ends of the floor.

All-in-all, without reading too much into day one, Nogueira probably showed talent evaluators a lot of what they expected to see considering his lack of polish, confirming his status as a long-term project.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/201 ... z1P6gntPqR
http://www.draftexpress.com

Lucas Noguera is the best prospect playing in the event (Motiejunas and Biyombo are only here for workouts). But that really isn't saying much. The level of talent in the camp is pretty under whelming. Noguera was impressive in San Antonio a year ago at the Global Games but seems to have regressed playing in Spain for his 2nd division team. He struggled today showing an inability to catch the ball and go up strong. He did have some nice blocks and shows solid length. But his performance in day one left a lot to be desired. He seems to be a little delusional about himself. At one point he layed in an "and-1" in what should have been a dunk and let out a yell only to have most of the scouts on hand roll their eyes and give looks of disgust. His length and agility are at an elite level for a 7 footer, but it's painful to watch a kid underachieve so heavily. Bigmen take the longest to develop and guys like Roy Hilbbert made incredible transformations between the ages of 19 and 22, but the difference here is Lucas' body doesn't really seem to have any limitations aside from strength. His problems all seem to be mental as he acts more like a 15 year old than a 19 year old auditioning for a multi-million dollar contract. He's got a hefty buyout so he may pull out of this draft in the next few days. Based on his performance in day one and reactions from scouts, he's not a first round pick at this point.

Post #1110 » by **The Duke** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:28 pm

1 on 0 is good for evaluating potention dunk contest candidates/3 point contest.

MEDIC · Post #1111 » by **MEDIC** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:33 pm

number15 wrote:Since BC is trying to get another top 10 pick and considering that Knight is rumoured to be falling from Utah possibly and Kemba likey available from 6-10 overall depending on workouts unless he imporves alot.

I know they are both PG but I dont see Kemba as PG material. He is a SG in a PG body. I also think Kemba is strong enough to handle SG against bigger players.

ofcouse it all can only happen if Demar can handle the SF spot.

PG- Knight
SG- Kemba
SF- DeRozan

I don't understand how anyone could think that Knight has better PG skills than Kemba at this stage in the game. You need your PG to be your best ball handler. Kemba's ball handling skills are light years ahead of Knights & likely always will be. Kemba's footwork is better, as is his overall body coordination.

The only thing Knight has on Kemba is length & a more reliable jumper. Everything else falls in Kemba's favor.

yayotube · Post #1112 » by **yayotube** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:47 pm

number15 wrote:Since BC is trying to get another top 10 pick and considering that Knight is rumoured to be falling from Utah possibly and Kemba likey available from 6-10 overall depending on workouts unless he imporves alot.

I know they are both PG but I dont see Kemba as PG material. He is a SG in a PG body. I also think Kemba is strong enough to handle SG against bigger players.

ofcouse it all can only happen if Demar can handle the SF spot.

PG- Knight
SG- Kemba
SF- DeRozan

why dont you see Kemba as PG material but see Knight as PG material? if you watched Kemba his 1st two years you wouldn't think SG. in fact after watching Knight this year you'd think HE's a future SG at 6'3. they're both PG's at the end of the day.

bonjovi0308 · Post #1113 » by **bonjovi0308** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:16 am

What if...Vals drops out and,

Irving goes 1st overall,
Willaims goes 2nd,
Kanter goes 3rd,
Who the Cavs would choose with their 4th??

Ackshun · Post #1114 » by **Ackshun** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:49 am

This draft really makes me appreciate Bargs/Jose more.

Although, trading Jose should be done for financial purposes alone.

Bargnani, delegated to a 6th man/scoring role could be fierce. I know he makes starter money, but what's done is done. Time to accept what he is, and use his strength(s) properly. There isn't one player after the 1st pick that I would consider for Andreas.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1115 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:39 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WedufjGIejE&feature=player_embedded#at=62[/youtube]

I really like the idea of acquiring Bertans with a late pick. I think he can at the very least be a solid shooter off the bench at SF, and given that he's just 18 he has the potential to become a lot more.

pspot · Post #1116 » by **pspot** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:44 pm

number15 wrote:Since BC is trying to get another top 10 pick and considering that Knight is rumoured to be falling from Utah possibly and Kemba likey available from 6-10 overall depending on workouts unless he imporves alot.

I know they are both PG but I dont see Kemba as PG material. He is a SG in a PG body. I also think Kemba is strong enough to handle SG against bigger players.

ofcouse it all can only happen if Demar can handle the SF spot.

PG- Knight
SG- Kemba
SF- DeRozan

Kahn?

Indeed · Post #1117 » by **Indeed** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:09 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WedufjGIejE&feature=player_embedded#at=62[/youtube]

I really like the idea of acquiring Bertans with a late pick. I think he can at the very least be a solid shooter off the bench at SF, and given that he's just 18 he has the potential to become a lot more.

We got Kleiza, no?

dagger · Post #1118 » by **dagger** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:22 pm

bonjovi0308 wrote:What if...Vals drops out and,

Irving goes 1st overall,
Willaims goes 2nd,
Kanter goes 3rd,
Who the Cavs would choose with their 4th??

Valanciunas says he's 100% not dropping out. And he said it today, which is the deadline to drop out.

cookieman · Post #1119 » by **cookieman** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:46 pm

I wonder if Miami would offer something like Bosh for the #1 pick (and take Irving). Then CLE takes Knight at 4. CLE could be back in the playoffs next season, with Knight backing up Baron Davis.

I still hope we trade down or out. This draft is hot garbage after pick #2. The hype machines are trying to change our minds but they're clutching at straws.

Indeed · Post #1120 » by **Indeed** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:52 pm

cookieman wrote:I wonder if Miami would offer something like Bosh for the #1 pick (and take Irving). Then CLE takes Knight at 4. CLE could be back in the playoffs next season, with Knight backing up Baron Davis.

I still hope we trade down or out. This draft is hot garbage after pick #2. The hype machines are trying to change our minds but they're clutching at straws.

I don't think they want Bosh, who represents/supports the superstar join up theory. I don't think Bosh will sell tickets there.