The Jonas Valanciunas Thread

Visceral · Post #601 » by **Visceral** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:09 am

I can't wait until people are surprised when Valanciunas comes in with 20 more lbs, a polished offensive game, higher understanding of Basketball, and drop their jaws in awe of what a beast he is.

Post #602 » by **Undefeated** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:09 am

Choker wrote:
Undefeated wrote:Valaciunas has some solid basketball IQ. I know highlights don't mean much, but Val is really good at recognizing when to cut to the basket for a easy alley-oop pass. A player who recognizes when to cut easily demonstrates high IQ.

I didn't say Val was McGee, but Noah has an extremely high basketball IQ. It's really really high. Don't think Val's is anywhere near close his.

I don't think Valanciunas' IQ is on par with Noah because he still struggles to time his shot blocking correctly leading to some fouling issues. Nonetheless, knowing when to cut and when to go up for the tip-in offensive rebound putback requires some IQ.

Homer Jay · Post #603 » by **Homer Jay** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:10 am

So Clutch wrote:
Homer Jay wrote:
So Clutch wrote:How does Bargs have any impact on Val in that sense? It's not like we picked a jump shooting finesse big.....

Who says we need a finesse jump shooting big? Amir and Ed cannot play C full time and this kid can.

I know I quoted you, but I was kind of referring to the argument you having with that other guy. If you read what I wrote, you will see I am agreeing with you. Why on earth would I be advocating for another jump shooting big man?

Cool Beans

MacDaddy · Post #604 » by **MacDaddy** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:10 am

Schadenfreude wrote:
Cool-Hand-Luke wrote:So Biyombo was a useless smokescreen.

Nope, it was just expected that Valanciunas would be gone by five. The Cavs seemed locked in on him at four for quite some time.

Yeah apparently Valanciunas was the smokescreen, just not for us. Nice night for Tristan Thompson! Why the Cas took him when they have Hickson and Varejao is a bit mystifying though.

bongmarley · Post #605 » by **bongmarley** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:11 am

I am not gonna kill BC for the pick only because i have never seen Jonas play and have no idea of where his game is at but i do find it funny that everything he is saying about Jonas is exactly what he said about Bargs.

Bosh isn't real 5 and we need him to play 4. Bargs will be a 5 and we are glad to have him on our team blah blah blah

fast forward

Bargs isn't real 5 and we need him to play 4. Jonas will be a 5 and we are glad to have him on our team blah blah blah

WhatsaTDot · Post #606 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:11 am

Laowai wrote:Jonas was one f the two players in the draft who could be potential franchise players.
Flynn & Val

Flynn as in the useless J Flynn from Minnesota? Maybe you're thinking of someone else...like Irving?

MacDaddy · Post #607 » by **MacDaddy** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:12 am

I think Valanciunas will be a great pick. It's the second year that a gift just dropped on us out of the sky.

Post #608 » by **Schad** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:12 am

MacDaddy wrote:Yeah apparently Valanciunas was the smokescreen, just not for us. Nice night for Tristan Thompson! Why the Cas took him when they have Hickson and Varejao is a bit mystifying though.

Buyout issues with Val might have scared them off. Dan Gilbert is pretty desperate to get that ship turned around, and it might've looked bad if one of his two picks couldn't come over this year.

WhatsaTDot · Post #609 » by **WhatsaTDot** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:13 am

And there's no guarantee Bargs plays with Val. The buyout is far from sorted and the lock out is far from sorted. Even if both were, I doubt Val would be starting at C with all of his 230 lb frame at 19 years old.

Kabookalu · Post #610 » by **Kabookalu** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:13 am

Undefeated wrote:I don't think Valanciunas' IQ is on par with Noah because he still struggles to time his shot blocking correctly leading to some fouling issues. Nonetheless, knowing when to cut and when to go up for the tip-in offensive rebound putback requires some IQ.

It does, but it's only one part of basketball IQ. Landry Fields I'd say has a high basketball IQ in that he knows when to cut or choose his spots to exploit lazy defenses, but you can't count on him to make a spectacular pass with the ball when he's driving to the hoop. For him I'd say it's more important seeing defensive plays before they happen because he doesn't have quite the athleticism to recover for a blocked shot, so he has to approach defense a more cerebral way like Noah does. And while he isn't terrible in this regard, it isn't that special.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #611 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:14 am

I like this pick. I think the uncertainty with Utah and Knight helped land him. With a lookout looming, I don't see a big deal with the buy out either way.

DarkKnight · Post #612 » by **DarkKnight** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:15 am

No athletecism. No shotblocking instincts. Backup big man upside. AWFUL.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_-RMKoX9Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

If you can watch that video and not see BIG STIFF written all over him, I don't know what to tell you.

baulderdash77 · Post #613 » by **baulderdash77** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:16 am

Must be nice for Cavs fans to have an owner who wants to turn things around. Sadly we have BC running things.

The stats that matter are this: 14 MPG. Why? Because 8.5 fouls/40 minutes.

He can't stay on the court long enough to get minutes in Europe. In the NBA opposing teams are going to go after him as a game plan. With the star calls in the NBA you can count on his foul rate increasing.

So there will be a natural regression of all his stats except fouls which will increase. He may be a great foul shooter- but he doesn't get to the line much in Europe and he'll get to it even less in the NBA.

That's why he's a bad pick.

Post #614 » by **DG88** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:17 am

Tough Tony D wrote:
disoblige wrote:2010-2011 STATS
PPG: 7.7
RPG: 5.8
APG: 0.2
SPG: 0.2
2P%: 70.8%
3P%: 0%
FT%: 88.5%
BLK: 0.5

Wingspan: 7.6'

his ft% , 2pt % , wingspan and reb are great.

and the 0.5 blocks per game will look great alongside Bargnani for the next years

playing 15 minutes a game

mowcrowbar · Post #615 » by **mowcrowbar** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:17 am

Great pickup. With added Muscle within his huge frame, I see a defensive force as well as a low post scorer.

carlosey · Post #616 » by **carlosey** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:17 am

Solid pick. I thought it was Biyombo all the way but he was more of a smokescreen.

So this Val guy is crazy long, plays good defense, great rebounder, shoots amazing ft, and ALWAYS goes to the hoop. He has good IQ.

I wasnt expecting it but we got a good player it seems and maybe even the BPA. He needs to bulk up next.

Post #617 » by **Undefeated** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:17 am

DarkKnight wrote:No athletecism. No shotblocking instincts. Backup big man upside. AWFUL.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_-RMKoX9Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

Um, Val did finish those alley-oop plays. How does that explain he has no athleticism?

wtfbosh · Post #618 » by **wtfbosh** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:17 am

Cory Joseph!

Tough Tony D · Post #619 » by **Tough Tony D** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:17 am

DarkKnight wrote:No athletecism. No shotblocking instincts. Backup big man upside. AWFUL.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_-RMKoX9Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

I wouldnt say awful, but he's not the rim protector, defensive center colangelo himself said we needed.

Brownman06 · Post #620 » by **Brownman06** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:18 am

wtfbosh wrote:Cory Joseph!

George Hill replacement. lol

Are you happy with the Raptors selection 5th overall?