Is this a travel?

[grimballer]

somebody should contact the league n ask em, with kobe gif included.

[Nastradamus]

Is this thread really 24 pages? It's a travel.

Homie, you dont have a clue about the rules of the game and obviously you've never played or whistled a single second of organized ball.

[_nokturnal]

It was always a travel to take two steps? Coulda fooled me.

Really? Then why did the NBA feel the need to UPDATE THEIR RULE BOOKS in 2009?? Just for fun?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4563546

Learn the game.

[Nastradamus]

somebody should contact the league n ask em, with kobe gif included.

Theres nothing to ask. Its not a travel, its a basic fundamental move.

I thought this discussion ended at 11 pages, where wise people had given enough proof that this aint a travel. 11 pages is actually way too much on a basketball forum - forum where people are supposed to understand such basic stuff, but now all dem sport fanatics that seem to watch baseball, football, basketball and hockey equally and not know a clue about the rules of any of these games equally, they have argued this thread to 25 pages (!!!)

All Ive got to say is

LMAO

[jazzfan1971]

It was always a travel to take two steps? Coulda fooled me.

Really? Then why did the NBA feel the need to UPDATE THEIR RULE BOOKS in 2009?? Just for fun?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4563546

Learn the game.

"Enforcement of the one-step rule has been hit-or-miss at every level of basketball. Archival footage shows NBA greats, from Magic Johnson and Pete Maravich to Bob Cousy and Julius Erving, getting away with two steps. Borgia, whose father was also an NBA official, said he cannot remember a time when NBA referees did not allow two steps."

Watch teh game.

[grimballer]

somebody should contact the league n ask em, with kobe gif included.

Theres nothing to ask. Its not a travel, its a basic fundamental move.

I thought this discussion ended at 11 pages, where wise people had given enough proof that this aint a travel. 11 pages is actually way too much on a basketball forum - forum where people are supposed to understand such basic stuff, but now all dem sport fanatics that seem to watch baseball, football, basketball and hockey equally and not know a clue about the rules of any of these games equally, they have argued this thread to 25 pages (!!!)

All Ive got to say is

LMAO!

thats the problem, the rule is confusing, n if u knew all along that it wasnt a travel, thats good for u, but u are a big minority.

u say its a basic move, but most ppl didnt know that.

whats the point of u knowing ur right, if big majority thinks ur wrong.

guess what in real world when majority thinks ur wrong

UR WRONG.

u know u didnt rob the bank, but the judge n jury think u did, guess what? u goin to jail anyways.

if u pull that move in a pickup game, nobody will let u get away with it. ull either argue to death with 9 other guys, yes even your teammates will tell u that u traveled, or your gonna accept, againt your own will, that u traveled.

[blacktopking319]

i play at LA fitness all the time and i do an up and under step through launching my body forward using my non pivot foot and only 1 idiot calls me out on it


everybody just says they see luis scola do it all the time so they say it must be legal lol but i already know its legal

[venky]

*Sigh* Basketball is dead. Thanks AAU.

[Nastradamus]

somebody should contact the league n ask em, with kobe gif included.

Theres nothing to ask. Its not a travel, its a basic fundamental move.

I thought this discussion ended at 11 pages, where wise people had given enough proof that this aint a travel. 11 pages is actually way too much on a basketball forum - forum where people are supposed to understand such basic stuff, but now all dem sport fanatics that seem to watch baseball, football, basketball and hockey equally and not know a clue about the rules of any of these games equally, they have argued this thread to 25 pages (!!!)

All Ive got to say is

LMAO!

thats the problem, the rule is confusing, n if u knew all along that it wasnt a travel, thats good for u, but u are a big minority.

u say its a basic move, but most ppl didnt know that.

whats the point of u knowing ur right, if big majority thinks ur wrong.

guess what in real world when majority thinks ur wrong

UR WRONG.

u know u didnt rob the bank, but the judge n jury think u did, guess what? u goin to jail anyways.

if u pull that move in a pickup game, nobody will let u get away with it. ull either argue to death with 9 other guys, yes even your teammates will tell u that u traveled, or your gonna accept, againt your own will, that u traveled.

Youve got a point there, but you cant really compare this to life itself. See, in this thread, the majority seems to be simple sports fans that arent really involved in basketball, but if this discussion wwas held by people that are involved, say refs and coaches, the majority would think im right. Thats what matters.
At last graph. If i ever play pickup ball, i damn sure dont play with ignorant fat kids that think they know, but dont know **** - the type of people that this forum seems to be filled with. I wouldnt get in trouble making legit moves playing with my homies, lets say.

[CharlieMurphy]

somebody should contact the league n ask em, with kobe gif included.

Theres nothing to ask. Its not a travel, its a basic fundamental move.

I thought this discussion ended at 11 pages, where wise people had given enough proof that this aint a travel. 11 pages is actually way too much on a basketball forum - forum where people are supposed to understand such basic stuff, but now all dem sport fanatics that seem to watch baseball, football, basketball and hockey equally and not know a clue about the rules of any of these games equally, they have argued this thread to 25 pages (!!!)

All Ive got to say is

LMAO!

thats the problem, the rule is confusing, n if u knew all along that it wasnt a travel, thats good for u, but u are a big minority.

u say its a basic move, but most ppl didnt know that.

whats the point of u knowing ur right, if big majority thinks ur wrong.

guess what in real world when majority thinks ur wrong

UR WRONG.

u know u didnt rob the bank, but the judge n jury think u did, guess what? u goin to jail anyways.
if u pull that move in a pickup game, nobody will let u get away with it. ull either argue to death with 9 other guys, yes even your teammates will tell u that u traveled, or your gonna accept, againt your own will, that u traveled.

Because that's how right and wrong works, right? That's why Galileo, Columbus and Jesus were all idiots. You keep saying the rule is confusing but it's not. It's vey clear. Just because you didnt know it or understand it until today isnt called confusion or obscurity, it's called ignorance. Just accept it and move on. It's not a travel, never has been, never will be, be it in a game on national television or a pick up game at the YMCA.

[CharlieMurphy]

every year we have to go through one of these threads about "is it a travel? is it not a travel?" and it seems it's always this same move and very few people think "hey maybe I should just read the rule book"

[sixerswillrule]

the problem heres is theres 2 type of ppl

ppl thinking they know the rule, n theyre wrong

ppl who know the rule, but act as this rule is basic.

im sure if u go play pick up game right now n pull that move off, 99.9% of ppl out there will call a travel on u.

me too i was convince kobe got away with the travel.

im sure there many nba players that are not aware that they allowed to lift off the pivot when attempting the shot.

so for all those acting like their sh*t dont stink, u need to realize big majority of bball community (fans/players) thinks this is a travel.

this move doesnt happen as often n when it does ppl will think a player got away with a travel.

Oh yeah, I completely agree. I wasn't trying to act like I was better than anyone who still thought it was a travel because this was me 2 years ago in a thread just like this and I was more persistent than anyone in believing that it was an illegal move. I was just shocked to hear anyone argue differently because that's what I had thought from years of playing and watching basketball without seeing or hearing anything to show me otherwise.
There's a reason for confusion from so many people on this issue. You almost never see a player take full advantage of this move during a game. By that, I mean stopping, pivoting, picking up your pivot completely up into the air and in front of your body, and putting all your energy into jumping forward off of your non-pivot foot. It's just not done.
I'm honestly very curious to see what would happen if players started doing this much more often. I don't see it happening, though, because I have a feeling that they think just like many fans think, that it is a travel.

[Nastradamus]

the problem heres is theres 2 type of ppl

ppl thinking they know the rule, n theyre wrong

ppl who know the rule, but act as this rule is basic.

im sure if u go play pick up game right now n pull that move off, 99.9% of ppl out there will call a travel on u.

me too i was convince kobe got away with the travel.

im sure there many nba players that are not aware that they allowed to lift off the pivot when attempting the shot.

so for all those acting like their sh*t dont stink, u need to realize big majority of bball community (fans/players) thinks this is a travel.

this move doesnt happen as often n when it does ppl will think a player got away with a travel.

Oh yeah, I completely agree. I wasn't trying to act like I was better than anyone who still thought it was a travel because this was me 2 years ago in a thread just like this and I was more persistent than anyone in believing that it was an illegal move. I was just shocked to hear anyone argue differently because that's what I had thought from years of playing and watching basketball without seeing or hearing anything to show me otherwise.
There's a reason for confusion from so many people on this issue. You almost never see a player take full advantage of this move during a game. By that, I mean stopping, pivoting, picking up your pivot completely up into the air and in front of your body, and putting all your energy into jumping forward off of your non-pivot foot. It's just not done.
I'm honestly very curious to see what would happen if players started doing this much more often. I don't see it happening, though, because I have a feeling that they think just like many fans think, that it is a travel.

I know i aint acting nothing. It dont matter what people think in a pickup game, what matters is what people think around organized basketball. It is a rather basic move indeed. It's practiced A LOT, not only to use it in a game, but to develop co-ordination. It seems like an easy move, but in reality, it requires quite a bit coordination to pull off effectively, especially in a game situation, hence the rather seldom use of it in the NBA. Also, it's easier to do an up and under off of one leg which basically gives you the same result.
Saying some people in the NBA dont know this move? Im damn sure even Eddy Curry knows this move's not a travel. Probably any highschool kid too, that finds time to go to practice once in a while, instead of rolling a joint.

[grimballer]

Theres nothing to ask. Its not a travel, its a basic fundamental move.

I thought this discussion ended at 11 pages, where wise people had given enough proof that this aint a travel. 11 pages is actually way too much on a basketball forum - forum where people are supposed to understand such basic stuff, but now all dem sport fanatics that seem to watch baseball, football, basketball and hockey equally and not know a clue about the rules of any of these games equally, they have argued this thread to 25 pages (!!!)

All Ive got to say is

LMAO!

thats the problem, the rule is confusing, n if u knew all along that it wasnt a travel, thats good for u, but u are a big minority.

u say its a basic move, but most ppl didnt know that.

whats the point of u knowing ur right, if big majority thinks ur wrong.

guess what in real world when majority thinks ur wrong

UR WRONG.

u know u didnt rob the bank, but the judge n jury think u did, guess what? u goin to jail anyways.
if u pull that move in a pickup game, nobody will let u get away with it. ull either argue to death with 9 other guys, yes even your teammates will tell u that u traveled, or your gonna accept, againt your own will, that u traveled.

Because that's how right and wrong works, right? That's why Galileo, Columbus and Jesus were all idiots. You keep saying the rule is confusing but it's not. It's vey clear. Just because you didnt know it or understand it until today isnt called confusion or obscurity, it's called ignorance. Just accept it and move on. It's not a travel, never has been, never will be, be it in a game on national television or a pick up game at the YMCA.

so if tomorrow it tuns out 9/11 was an inside job, does that make u n everybody else who did believe in it ignorant? should those who believed in it call u names, cause u didnt believe for what ever reason?

listen i didnt know about the rule, cause like most i assumed pivot is the last thing to leave the floor, thats how it is when it comes to dribbling, so i assumed its the same for everything. everytime i saw someone pull a move like the one kobe did, i assumed he got away with travel, cause alot of players in the nba get away with travels.

thats the 0.000000000000000000001% aspect of the game i wasnt aware of i guess.

now u can act all smart n be an ahole behind your screen, but i would love to see u do that move n then try to convince ppl who been palyin bball 20 years, n r not aware of that rule, that u didnt travel.

u know what they would do to u?

[CharlieMurphy]

so if tomorrow it tuns out 9/11 was an inside job, does that make u n everybody else who did believe in it ignorant? should those who believed in it call u names, cause u didnt believe for what ever reason?

listen i didnt know about the rule, cause like most i assumed pivot is the last thing to leave the floor, thats how it is when it comes to dribbling, so i assumed its the same for everything. everytime i saw someone pull a move like the one kobe did, i assumed he got away with travel, cause alot of players in the nba get away with travels.

thats the 0.000000000000000000001% aspect of the game i wasnt aware of i guess.

now u can act all smart n be an ahole behind your screen, but i would love to see u do that move n then try to convince ppl who been palyin bball 20 years, n r not aware of that rule, that u didnt travel.

u know what they would do to u?

Key words: assumed and smart

When someone assumes something without doing any research, that's what we call just pulling things out of thin air. The smart thing to do is to search for an answer before you make a claim, but what do I know? I'm just acting all smart... Try going to college and writing a paper without citing anything, a paper based on assumptions...

u know what your professor would do to u?

furthermore, just because you've played basketball for 20 years or 40 years doesnt mean you can't be ignorant about the rules. Just look at all the NBA players who argue with refs on blatant and clear calls. Pick up's an even worse example because very few people playing pick up know anything about calling the game correctly. There's a reason why eveyone hates the guy who's always calling his own fouls....

just like ignorance isnt an excuse for breaking the law, it's not an excuse for not knowing the rules of basketball.

[USA]

Assumption is the mother of all F-ups.

[unowen85]

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/12/31/have-ball-will-travel-deron-williams/

Has someone posted this link already?

Deron does the same move and it's not called.

Quite frankly, I think it should be called a travel. But because the rule doesn't say anything about taking off on the other foot after having lited the pivot foot, the refs can't call a travel.

David Stern must clarify, or die...

[Duffman100]

Is this thread really 24 pages? It's a travel.

Homie, you dont have a clue about the rules of the game and obviously you've never played or whistled a single second of organized ball.

I have actually and I've made that move, and been called for a travel. But nice assumption there pal.

As far as I was aware, once you've established a pivot foot, you can't lift that pivot foot and take another step...only to shoot.

He's essentially changing pivot feet there, no?

[emunney]

Unless he replants his original pivot foot, which in this case is his left, it isn't a travel.
Lol, this move is often taught in youth practices as well.

[mid-post]

Probably the most entertaining thing about this thread is seeing people who are so sure of themselves start to admit they might be wrong, and then ultimately caving to the logic. It's pretty rare that you actually get to see that kind of thing, especially people admitting that they are wrong. It's kind of weird to witness.
I'll admit, I was almost in that boat, but I made sure to carefully check the rules and read the thread before I posted.