Why does Chris Paul get ranked historically

[Copperhead]

So why doesn't Deron Williams get ranked historically against all timers? People are making the Williams/Paul comparisons (as if we haven't had enough of those) but no one is saying why Williams hasn't gotten the comparisons to other PG greats? Heck, there's a thread on this very forum saying "Give Hakeem CP3...". Why don't people do a "Give Hakeem Deron Williams...."? On page 2 there's a "Replace Magic with a prime CP3 on the Lakers....", why not a 'Replace Magic with a prime Deron Williams..."? Why is it always CP3?

[therealbig3]

So why doesn't Deron Williams get ranked historically against all timers? People are making the Williams/Paul comparisons (as if we haven't had enough of those) but no one is saying why Williams hasn't gotten the comparisons to other PG greats? Heck, there's a thread on this very forum saying "Give Hakeem CP3...". Why don't people do a "Give Hakeem Deron Williams...."?

Don't know, but what does that prove?

And if I had to guess, it's probably because Paul started off quicker, and peaked higher, so he's a more interesting comparison. Not too many PGs ever have peaked as high as CP3, so I can understand where the comparisons come from. Deron Williams' peak isn't quite on that level, so he doesn't have that advantage over a lot of other PGs like Paul does, while definitely having less longevity, especially since he didn't get elite PG status until his 3rd year.

Paul's career is better than Williams's right now, but right now, who's the better player? I think that comes down to personal preference.

[Copperhead]

So why doesn't Deron Williams get ranked historically against all timers? People are making the Williams/Paul comparisons (as if we haven't had enough of those) but no one is saying why Williams hasn't gotten the comparisons to other PG greats? Heck, there's a thread on this very forum saying "Give Hakeem CP3...". Why don't people do a "Give Hakeem Deron Williams...."?

Don't know, but what does that prove?

And if I had to guess, it's probably because Paul started off quicker, and peaked higher, so he's a more interesting comparison. Not too many PGs ever have peaked as high as CP3, so I can understand where the comparisons come from. Deron Williams' peak isn't quite on that level, so he doesn't have that advantage over a lot of other PGs like Paul does, while definitely having less longevity.

Paul's career is better than Williams's right now, but right now, who's the better player? I think that comes down to personal preference.

It doesn't really prove anything but it's obvious some want to see it. If they think there are comparisons that should/could be made, then make the comparisons. OP obviously thinks that if Paul is being compared then Deron should be as well.

[giordunk]

CP3 was definitely the consensus best PG from '07-'09


and Deron didn't/couldn't do anything with AK, Okur, Boozer, Jefferson all in their primes. CP3 made his teammates godly in the regular season and playoffs. The talent around him was putrid and he still won series and still made series' competitive because of his abilities to make his teammates better.

If you meant 07 as in the 06/07 season, then no... That was definitely Nash's year.

18.6/11.6 on .532 FG% 45.5 3P% and 89.9% FT

against Paul's 17.3/8.9 on .437 FG% .350 FG% and .818% FT

^ That is really a clear statistical edge. I don't think you can take Paul and Williams and have this much disparity in numbers. Nash shoots close to a whole 10% better in every category.

And what does 'made his teammates godly' mean? As a Rockets and Warriors fan I've watched a fair share of Deron Williams beating my team in the playoffs. I was actually very impressed by Deron Williams the year they beat the Rockets in 7. Deron Williams was a second year point guard, wasn't receiving as much attention as Paul but absolutely tore it up against the Rockets. Rafer Alston is no Bruce Bowen but he was pretty good as far as Point Guard defense goes. The Rockets have always been a great defensive team and Deron Williams was able to beat that. The D-Will/Boozer tandem was giving people nightmares. Andrei Kirilenko was definitely not in his prime. Maybe for D-Will's rookie season, but he kind of disappeared after that. He was actually crying because of his lack of production in the 07 playoffs.

I'll stop posting because it only make me look like a Chris Paul hater, which wasn't really the point of this thread. Let me just see some more Deron Williams threads.

[NO-KG-AI]

Deron "tore it up" against Houston in 7? You have very low standards for "tearing it up" then.

[ahonui06]

I know one thing and that is Deron Williams always has a field day with Chris Paul in head to head matchups.

But, as I said earlier neither of these two have warranted discussion as an all-time great.

[Copperhead]

I know one thing and that is Deron Williams always has a field day with Chris Paul in head to head matchups.

But, as I said earlier neither of these two have warranted discussion as an all-time great.

Not always. Most times though. But then again, Deron's teammates usually have field days with Paul's teammates as well. Would you rather Peja or AK47? And don't say Peja based on your being a MAVS fan. Would you have picked Boozer or West? Sloan or Scott? You see, this (head to head thing) is pretty much the only thing that keeps Williams in the conversation with Paul. This and the fact they came out of the same draft playing the same position picked within 1 number of each other. Other than that, there wouldn't be much conversation at all.

Let me add that I also agree that both of them are too early in their careers to be considered all time greats. I don't think anyone claimed them to be all time greats. They can get compared to where all time greats were at the same stage in their careers though.

[NO-KG-AI]

I know one thing and that is Deron Williams always has a field day with Chris Paul in head to head matchups.

But, as I said earlier neither of these two have warranted discussion as an all-time great.

Deron has 16.7 and 8.4 assists. He scores one more point on the same amount of shots, and gets less assists, more turnovers, less rebounds, less steals.

Point is, neither one of them even plays good, I dunno why there is all this bragging about Deron having a field day when they both play like crap.

[Copperhead]

I know one thing and that is Deron Williams always has a field day with Chris Paul in head to head matchups.

But, as I said earlier neither of these two have warranted discussion as an all-time great.

Deron has 16.7 and 8.4 assists. He scores one more point on the same amount of shots, and gets less assists, more turnovers, less rebounds, less steals.

Point is, neither one of them even plays good, I dunno why there is all this bragging about Deron having a field day when they both play like crap.

We've seen games where they both play like crap or CP has a better game than Deron and the Jazz still end up winning by 20+.