John Wall makes 2000 shots a day

7-Day Dray · Post #21 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:02 am

Ron Harper wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:
Lakers05 wrote:High school players are shooting this much? I don't think so. I don't think you realize how much 2000 is(for comparison, Duncan takes about 200 bank shots while he was in college). And it's makes, not takes.

No where in that article does in state anything about a HS player. I says that Wall didn't have to work on his shot back in HS.

But yeah, I have a hard time believing he's actually shooting (and making) 2000 jumpers a day. That's A LOT!

He was responding to my post in which I said that work ethic starts at the HS level. Which it does.

My bad.

Winsome Gerbil · Post #22 » by **Winsome Gerbil** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:02 am

I always wonder about those numbers. For a not great shooter who's obviously not going to make anything like 100% of them you are probably talking about 4-6 hours a day of shooting a jumper every 5 seconds in order to get to 2000 made jumpers (if you shoot a jumper every 5 seconds and never stopped or slowed down you could get up 720 shots an hour. Not makes. Shots.). This supposedly on top of ballhandling workouts, weightlifting, any cardio etc. And every day? These claims never sound entirely reasonable when you think them through. Your body would flat wear out.

Post #23 » by **corona** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:03 am

on last years percentages, that means he's gotta attempt nearly 5000 shots a day.

at 15 shots per minute that'd take 6 hours a day to complete.

he's gonna wear his elbow out.

dangermouse · Post #24 » by **dangermouse** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:04 am

Ron Harper wrote:I'm telling you guys, when it comes down to it in basketball, size trumps talent all day.

Mik317 · Post #25 » by **Mik317** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:06 am

Winsome Gerbil wrote:I always wonder about those numbers. For a not great shooter who's obviously not going to make anything like 100% of them you are probably talking about 4-6 hours a day of shooting a jumper every 5 seconds in order to get to 2000 made jumpers (if you shoot a jumper every 5 seconds and never stopped or slowed down you could get up 720 shots an hour. Not makes. Shots.). This supposedly on top of ballhandling workouts, weightlifting, any cardio etc. And every day? These claims never sound entirely reasonable when you think them through. Your body would flat wear out.

These are top notch athletes. They aren't built like you or me.

Ron Harper · Post #26 » by **Ron Harper** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:06 am

Shooting is a feel. It starts at your feet with balance. It works like water up to your finger tips. It takes more than just repetition (which is 99% of shooting). You also need to be mentally willing to just accept that you're the best shooter in the world. It sounds funny but you literally have to think that no one can beat you when it comes to shooting the rock. You don't have to say it (Jones) but you do have to think it.

As a Bulls fan, I always worry about Rose's humbleness when it comes to shooting. There is no room for humbleness when it comes to shooting a jumper. It is literally you make it or you don't. There is no "trying" to shooting. You shoot a lot and you accept that you will never miss, shot after shot after shot...

I don't know what cloth Wall is cut from, but if you feel he is cut from that 'ain't no body better cloth', you should be very excited.

Lakers05 · Post #27 » by **Lakers05** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:07 am

Ron Harper wrote:I'm telling you guys, when it comes down to it in basketball, size trumps talent all day.

Wall needs to hit that weight room. Rose is a biggggg dude at that PG spot. When you can body someone and get your way it breeds confidence. It's great that Wall is working on his skills and striving to be a better player. But do not sleep on the fact that body> skill when you get to this level.

Wall will get bigger, that's for sure. Can he handle Rose's strength? That's to be seen. Pretty exciting time for the PG position.

Weight training puts a lot of stress on the knees. And for a point guard, it's really a trade-off of speed for stamina, so I don't think it's worth it.

stillalive · Post #28 » by **stillalive** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:09 am

Who is his trainer? If it's not Rob Mac.....well then there's nothing to get excited about.

7-Day Dray · Post #29 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:11 am

stillalive wrote:Who is his trainer? If it's not Rob Mac.....well then there's nothing to get excited about.

I wish the Wizards still had Dave Hopla. He was the best shooting coach around!

Ron Harper · Post #30 » by **Ron Harper** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:11 am

dangermouse wrote:
Ron Harper wrote:I'm telling you guys, when it comes down to it in basketball, size trumps talent all day.

Get around the game player.

Let me say, I'm not talking height here. I'm talking about being able to put a body on a body and take away any path to the lane.

You ever play the game where you are clearly better than your man but he just stonewalls you? Not even better, but quicker?

Size is the all equalizing factor in the game of basketball. Players that can body you up and take away your game will take you out of your game.

You can stop reading if you'd like, but from the college level and up, if you don't hit the weight room, you are dead in the water. It isn't a joke. You have to get big and maintain your skills. Wall needs to put on some size to be able to jockey for position, because a large portion of the PG spot is being able to position yourself and set your teammates up.

But by all means rookie, stop reading...In fact, stop working on your game, because who needs to get bigger faster and stronger? Right?

Ron Harper · Post #31 » by **Ron Harper** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:16 am

Lakers05 wrote:
Ron Harper wrote:I'm telling you guys, when it comes down to it in basketball, size trumps talent all day.

Wall needs to hit that weight room. Rose is a biggggg dude at that PG spot. When you can body someone and get your way it breeds confidence. It's great that Wall is working on his skills and striving to be a better player. But do not sleep on the fact that body> skill when you get to this level.

Wall will get bigger, that's for sure. Can he handle Rose's strength? That's to be seen. Pretty exciting time for the PG position.

Weight training puts a lot of stress on the knees. And for a point guard, it's really a trade-off of speed for stamina, so I don't think it's worth it.

With all due respect, this isn't a comment from someone who has had to go after college/euro dudes. It's not a matter of "i can shoot better than you" or "i am faster than you"

I think if you matched up on Nash you'd be like "god, you're a big strong dude"

This is size, this is position, basketball is a game of position. Is Rose more skilled than Rondo? Nash? Paul? D Will? Maybe not, but you can look at google and find that they all struggle matching up with him.

Size, from Wilt, to Magic, to Jordan, to Shaq is what allows you to take your skills to the next level and dominate. I know it's cool to say "LBJ doesn't lift"...but he does. They all do. You have to get big to compete. It's the nature of the game. Saying otherwise demonstrates that you have not been around the game.

dangermouse · Post #32 » by **dangermouse** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:21 am

Wall is big enough, what does he need extra weight for? I'd rather he maintain his quicks to stay in front of guys rather than jeopardize that by adding mass.

Ron Harper · Post #33 » by **Ron Harper** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:22 am

Fwiw, you're going to see Wall get a lot stronger. He has good people around him that will recognize those weaknesses. I pull for most every NBA player, the better every single player gets, the better the league gets, and the more fun it is to watch.

But to say that size is not > skill is crazy. It's the same reason the 5'9 160lb kid from wherever who is as skilled as they come will be passed over for those huge freaks. And that's not a bad thing. A lot of basketball is about making the court smaller and being able to execute vertically.

It's a game of height and strength, whether you like it or not. It's the reason LBJ, Rose, Melo, Dwight, Dirk, etc etc all get theirs at a good clip. It's just very tough to accept size and find a way around it. The way to deal with it? Get bigger. I bet Wall does. He's a niceeeeeee player IMO.

Ron Harper · Post #34 » by **Ron Harper** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:25 am

dangermouse wrote:Wall is big enough, what does he need extra weight for? I'd rather he maintain his quicks to stay in front of guys rather than jeopardize that by adding mass.

Quick enough for sure. Probably the quickest IMO. Jrue is quick, Collinson is quick, Rondo is quick. Heck, there are a lot of quick SG, SFS.

Why do the Rose's, Kobe's, LBJ's, Melo's, Dirk's, MJ's of the world eat people up? Cause they can body them.

Body is position, position is freedom, freedom is the ability to get whatever you want.

It's how the game is played. It just is man, it just is.

They don't put weight room's in your team's training facility for nothing. Wall will get there, I think.

7-Day Dray · Post #35 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:27 am

It looks like Wall has packed on some muscle from what I've seen from him in these charity games.

NYK0605 · Post #36 » by **NYK0605** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:28 am

Wall is going to run this league for years to come.

Ron Harper · Post #37 » by **Ron Harper** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:29 am

7-Day Dray wrote:It looks like Wall has packed on some muscle from what I've seen from him in these charity games.

Nice. Watching him against the Bulls last year he was real quick. He hounded Rose. He has that defense where he will kind of sneak up on you. Rose started body him up though and keeping him off his ball hand. There is just some things size will be able to deal with.

I really, really hope Wall pushes Rose. Can you imagine how stacked the East will be with Rose, Rondo, Williams, Wall?

That's just awesome/fun to watch.

NYK0605 · Post #38 » by **NYK0605** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:33 am

Ron Harper wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:It looks like Wall has packed on some muscle from what I've seen from him in these charity games.

Nice. Watching him against the Bulls last year he was real quick. He hounded Rose. He has that defense where he will kind of sneak up on you. Rose started body him up though and keeping him off his ball hand. There is just some things size will be able to deal with.

I really, really hope Wall pushes Rose. Can you imagine how stacked the East will be with Rose, Rondo, Williams, Wall?

That's just awesome/fun to watch.

East is going to be insane for PGs.

Wall
CP3
Rose
Deron
Rondo
Irving

7-Day Dray · Post #39 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:34 am

Ron Harper wrote:
7-Day Dray wrote:It looks like Wall has packed on some muscle from what I've seen from him in these charity games.

Nice. Watching him against the Bulls last year he was real quick. He hounded Rose. He has that defense where he will kind of sneak up on you. Rose started body him up though and keeping him off his ball hand. There is just some things size will be able to deal with.

I really, really hope Wall pushes Rose. Can you imagine how stacked the East will be with Rose, Rondo, Williams, Wall?

That's just awesome/fun to watch.

Yeah, but it's gonna be tough for some of these PGs in the East to make the All-Star game, especially if CP3 goes to the Knicks lol.

dangermouse · Post #40 » by **dangermouse** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:43 am

Ron Harper wrote:Fwiw, you're going to see Wall get a lot stronger.

Already happened. Look at him in college/rookie year, then check out highlights from the summer pick up games. Hes ripped now, shoulders look wider and larger. Thats why I am so adamant that he doesnt need any more size, it will become counter-productive. He was the most athletic player on the court in those all-star pickup games, faster and better hops than anyone else on the floor.

But to say that size is not > skill is crazy. It's the same reason the 5'9 160lb kid from wherever who is as skilled as they come will be passed over for those huge freaks.

Wait, a few posts back you said this wasnt about height? In any case, I agree that size and length is important in the game of basketball, along with general athletecism. But to say that it trumps talent is not always right. You mention Kobe, Dirk, Melo, MJ... these are some of the most talented players to have played the game, period.

The only one ill give you is Dwight, who clearly does what he does from athletecism and size over his talent level.