John Wall makes 2000 shots a day

[CjayC]

Plus if you look at Eric Gordon his body doesn't scream athletic specimen.

[KF10]

Going back to BB's thought. From what I can recall, ~30% of Wall's offense is entirely in transition!! That's almost unheard of. I was looking through well-known players (in synergy) that like to go in transition, they don't approach the percentage of that of Wall's.

I always thought 20%-22% is the standard of a player's offense is transition based, I'm specifically talking about players that love to go in transition.

But even then, despite of Wall being known as one of the top players in transition play, he is only converting his chances at a 51.8% rate. That's a bit inefficient for a player that goes into transition that much. To really become a true threat in transition, Wall need to bump up his % around ~60%+.

And already stated, Wall was a poor defender despite the raw numbers in steals & blocks says last year. But that can be partially explained because Wall was pretty banged up throughout the season..

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Rose was definitely better at half court offense, but little of that had to do with proficiency getting to the rim. It was almost purely due to Wall's terrible jumper last year. I do think Rose may have a little better first step, but Wall has no trouble getting to the rim, and has a blazing first step. What you are seeing in games isn't that Wall's first step isn't as good, it is that because Wall's first step is so good, and his jumper isn't, defenders sag off him and challenge him to shoot.

The Wall first step criticism is one unique to realgm Bulls fans as far as I can tell. Can you Bulls fans post a link to any scout or media source that supports that Wall has a mediocre first step, or has trouble getting to the rim in the half court? Any link from a decent, non-bleacher report source? Secondarily, I have never seen Wall stonewalled by anyone the way Lebron totally shut down Rose one on one in the playoffs.

For all of Wall's acknowledged inefficiencies last year, turnovers, defense, and his jumper, Wall posted a TS% .494. Rose had a rookie TS% of .516. Westbrook had a rookie TS% of .490. So, Wall had a TS% better than Westbrook, and 2 percent lower than Rose. Wall posted a PER of 15.85 as a rookie, Rose 16.05, and Westbrook 15.20. I don't know where you are getting your winshare stats. Wall had 5.17 WS as a rookie, compared to 5.1 for Rose and 3.8 for Westbrook. That is a very similar TS% and more win shares for Wall BTW.
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=John%20Wall

In the interest of seeing how their stats compared once Wall was more healthy, I pulled the splits for Rose, Wall and Westbrook after the All star break. Wall was clearly better than Westbrook, and looked like a slightly less efficient player than Rose, but with more production and likely a higher ceiling.

Post All star break rookie stats
Wall: 18.5ppg .410 FG% 7.4 Ast 5.2reb 0.6blk 1.9 stl 7.0FTA .787FT% 4.0 TO
Rose: 16.5ppg .480 FG% 6.3ast 4.5reb 0.2blk 0.8 stl 3.3FTA .785FT% 2.5TO
Westbrook: 15.8ppg .384 FG% 6.0ast 5.2reb 0.2blk 1.2stl 5.1FTA .830FT% 3.7TO

That is more points, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals, and FTA then Rose and Westbrook.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/439 ... e=Fielding

I got the numbers from Basketball reference.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2011.html

More numbers from 82games.com also suggest that Wall, within his own team, wasn't close to being near the top in helping his team win. That's really the point I was making, which was that the team's lack of success definitely wasn't just a fault of Wall's teammates, and not on Wall. People were using scapegoats for the guy, when he added to that culture of losing.

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011WAS.HTM

All those rookie vs rookie stats show is that Wall was worse than a rookie Rose, and is somehow supposed to end up better because people say so? How does that work? What makes Rose special was that Rose made incredible strides in a very short amount of time. To suggest that Wall will do even more than that, based on not a whole lot, is something I have no problem disagreeing with.

Rose has been injured and played through injury throughout his career. Non injury stats is a nice cop out. Rose has had to deal with it too.

[Winsome Gerbil]

And already stated, Wall was a poor defender despite the raw numbers in steals & blocks says last year. But that can be partially explained because Wall was pretty banged up throughout the season..

Or just because he's young.

His defensive potential is off the charts though.

[LoneyROY7]

I don't know...dude's pretty built.

[KF10]

Or just because he's young.

His defensive potential is off the charts though.

His defensive potential is "off the charts'. I agree with that. But how likely is that? I remember Wall was pretty underwhelming in defending in isolation-based setting. Injury or not.

With that said, Wall should be a fine defender soon.

[7-Day Dray]

So if you want to look at those combine numbers and “not ignore them”, you’ll note that Wall is a full 1.5 inches taller than Rose, had a better max vert reach, and beat him handily in the agility testing.

Secondarily, Wall’s coach noted in May of this year that John was still growing and is now an inch taller than when he was drafted, which would put him at about 2.5 inches taller than Rose. If you watched any video of Wall this offseason, you would see that he does now appear to stand about the same height as Harden, who is 6’5”.

No Wall only has 1.25" on Rose, shoe heights vary. Lets not believe Rose's shoes only add 1 inch while Wall's shoes add 1.5 inches. Wall may appear to be taller than he was last year but so does everyone who was drafted after high school or a freshman year. Durant is damn near 7 foot these days. Rose likely experienced his own growing as well. Again, this is not the different beteween Wade and Lebron or Lebron and Durant. The height difference here is negligible. Vert reach and length for point guard isn't as important as it is for bigmen or even wings. Wall isn't going to be anchoring a defense any time soon. Wall did beat Rose in the agility i will concede that.

Every inch matters. If you take into account the difference in height and length Wall has on them, it's big. Once inch can determine if you block a shot or not.

And it's certainly possible that Wall's shoes add more height than Rose's. They likely wear different shoes sizes, and different shoe sizes add different height IIRC.

[Senor Chang]

So if you want to look at those combine numbers and “not ignore them”, you’ll note that Wall is a full 1.5 inches taller than Rose, had a better max vert reach, and beat him handily in the agility testing.

Secondarily, Wall’s coach noted in May of this year that John was still growing and is now an inch taller than when he was drafted, which would put him at about 2.5 inches taller than Rose. If you watched any video of Wall this offseason, you would see that he does now appear to stand about the same height as Harden, who is 6’5”.

No Wall only has 1.25" on Rose, shoe heights vary. Lets not believe Rose's shoes only add 1 inch while Wall's shoes add 1.5 inches. Wall may appear to be taller than he was last year but so does everyone who was drafted after high school or a freshman year. Durant is damn near 7 foot these days. Rose likely experienced his own growing as well. Again, this is not the different beteween Wade and Lebron or Lebron and Durant. The height difference here is negligible. Vert reach and length for point guard isn't as important as it is for bigmen or even wings. Wall isn't going to be anchoring a defense any time soon. Wall did beat Rose in the agility i will concede that.

Every inch matters. If you take into account the difference in height and length Wall has on them, it's big. Once inch can determine if you block a shot or not.

And it's certainly possible that Wall's shoes add more height than Rose's. They likely wear different shoes sizes, and different shoe sizes add different height IIRC.

Absolutely, Wall has excellent size for a point guard no doubt about it. My point is that the height difference between them isn't going to be the difference between who is the better defender. Durant may be taller but i doubt he is ever the defender Lebron or even Wade are. Wall has the potential to be a great defender at point guard, but Rose already is a great defender.

Like kodo posted below, Rose was the best point guard defensively last year. The synergy numbers show it. Better than Westbrook, Paul, Williams, Rondo, everyone. Lets see how Wall develops defensively this season.

By opponent points per possesion and opponent PER, Rose is a better defender.


Overall Opponent PPP
Rose: .78
Westbrook: .90

Isolation Opponent PPP
Rose: .64
Westbrook: .83

Opponent PG PER:
Rose: 13.2
Westbrook: 16.9

You could argue Rose is just on a better defensive team, but that doesn't explain the huge disparity between their isolation defense results.

That being said, i do think Westbrook is overlooked because of Durant, he's in that top tier w/ Rose & CP.

[B-easy]

he is only converting his chances at a 51.8% rate.

Is this his shooting percentage at the rim in transition?

Overall he is shooting 60% at the rim, so that would mean he is shooting well above 60% in half court which is means he's better at the rim in the half court offense than in transition.

[Senor Chang]

While they may be similar in playing styles, the difference in BBIQ and talent is favored completely in Rose's favor...and it's not even close.

Rose's supporting cast has been hyped up recently due to the MVP debates that went on last season but the reality is minus Rose the bulls were a terrible team. Larry Hughes and Tyrus Thomas aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and young Noah was a total slacker pothead. He was Javale Mcgee before Javale Mcgee. It was only recently he got his head out of his behind. Luol Deng was injured a lot that year and Ben Gordon was Ben Gordon. Nothing special. Clutch but that's it. You would think Rose was drafted by a contender the way people like to discredit his contribution to his teams winning.

I'm sorry, but I need to respectfully disagree. Luol Deng would be the second best player on the Wizards even IF he were injured. Noah, even in his early stages, was better than McGee. Tyrus Thomas is a question mark...similar to Blatche, but at least he played defense. Ben Gordon is still an 18+ PPG scorer. Rose definitely helped that team be successful, but if you're trying to say that Rose's cast was worse or even remotely equal to the Wizards' supporting cast for Wall you are mistaken.

I wasn't saying the Rose supporting cast that year was worse or even as bad as Wall's. Just that Rose wasn't drafted on a contender or even a playoff team as people like to claim. It was even worse the next season with no Ben Gordon and Salmons and yet he still lead them to the playoffs.

[KF10]

he is only converting his chances at a 51.8% rate.

Is this his shooting percentage at the rim in transition?

Overall he is shooting 60% at the rim, so that would mean he is shooting well above 60% in half court which is means he's better at the rim in the half court offense than in transition.

They take everything into consideration in transition play. Scoring near the basket, mid range, 3PT and combine everything into a percentage. So, anything that resulted in a FGA during transition is counted.

[sipclip]

I don't believe for a second that Wall makes 2000 shots a day unless he is doing a ton of layup drills. Even if he were to make a shot every 6 seconds it would take 3 hours and 20 minutes for him to make 2000 and that is without missing a shot. The reality is that he may be shooting at a 70 to 80% clip max and he sure as hell could not sustain a pace of a shot every 6 seconds for very long without tiring out and needing a break. I would say that it would probably take him at least 8 hours to make 2000 shots with breaks included and I highly doubt he is spending that much time a day getting up shots. I wouldn't be surprised if he were doing a couple 1 hour shooting sessions a day but he isn't putting in nearly the time to make close to 2000 shots a day since I would assume he is also working in the weight room along with actually playing a few pickup games to work on his cardio.

[funkentelechy_7]

Nothing to see here.

[dangermouse]

easy explanation: he just doesnt miss any.

[schematics]

Dude is the complete package.

John Wall: I didn’t have to shoot jumpshots when I was in high school; I just ran past everybody and just dunked and did whatever. So this whole summer that’s all I’m working on is my jumpshot. I wanna take the next step to being a superstar, to be an All-Star, that’s my goal this year, so I’m working on my jumpshot and everything else….

Question (Audience): So you’ve been working on your jumper. Do you try to hit a certain amount everyday?

John Wall: I have to make 2,000 a day.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... k-contest/

I wonder what good NBA shooters make per day, anyone know?

Cool story but it's one thing to make 2000 shots a day and making 2000 or more shots under playoff style duress #IJS

[orangeparka]

I don't see what's so damn impossible about 2000 shots a day.

The guy is a pro basketball player, for starters.

And he probably shoots them with ball racks like the 3pt shooting contest. If that's the case, it can't take more than 2~4 seconds per shot off.

It's not like he has to hit 2000 without resting.

[doctorfunk]

well ill go with what Ray Allen said
- hard time believing this
- more than few hundred is unnecessary

[bigfan26]

I'm sure he said I have to make 2000 a day. He never said he actually makes 2000 per day. Heck, I can try and put that many shots up a day.

[moximus]

Assuming that he sleep 8 hours day,

he has make a shot every

((24 - 8) *16 * 60 * 60) / 2000 = 28.8 seconds

Assuming during his awake hours, he doesn't do anything including eating, taking a dump or check his emails, that all he does is shoot, he has to make a shot every 28.8 seconds to make 2000 shots a day.

Of course, maybe Wall meant he was making jumpshot in his sleeps too ...

[Lakers05]

well ill go with what Ray Allen said
- hard time believing this
- more than few hundred is unnecessary

Ray Allen is already a great shooter, so his comment doesn't mean much. In fact, even shooting 2000 a day won't make you a great shooter in just one season.