Discussing Other Teams' Moves

[dangermouse]

Orlando have to decide:

Take Bynum + picks or Lopez + picks? Tough choice imo. I dont think Lakertown will throw in Pau as well.

And for Paul, with Clips being the front runners (again yeah?):

Paul + Okafor
for
Kaman + Mo Williams + Wolves 2012 1st

That deal is better than either of the LAL offers by a country mile. And there is still room for tweakage...

[LyricalRico]

And for Paul, with Clips being the front runners (again yeah?):

Paul + Okafor
for
Kaman + Mo Williams + Wolves 2012 1st

That deal is better than either of the LAL offers by a country mile. And there is still room for tweakage...

Wow, that's interesting. Certainly meets the league's asking price of salary relief and young talent. Even if they also had to include Aminu, they'd still be pretty deep (assuming they match the offer for Jordan):

Jordan/Okafor
Griffin/Okafor
Butler/Gomes
Gordon/Foye
Paul/Bledsoe

Nothing to sneeze at there.

[Nivek]

Kaman and Mo Williams? Blech. Best thing to say about either of them is that their contracts are ending.

[no D in Hibachi]

Call me crazy, but I think Haywood and a healthy Roddy B can replicate 80% of what Tyson Chandler and JJ Berea did, perhaps more if Roddy B returns to 2010 playoff form. Adding Odom is such a savvy move. I think they're actually a better team now with Odom even if they lose JJ in addition to losing Chandler. Odom is a perfect addition for a veteren championship contending team. He is an awful acquistion for a rebuilding meddling team.

[montestewart]

Some on this board (and on the general and trade boards) underrate Martin and Scola. Martin has throughout his career performed exceptionally, and had the misfortune to never play on an exceptional team. If he was plugged into Boston, NY, LA, etc. they wouldn't miss a beat and everyone would know him. Scola has for some years been (along w/ Battier, Hayes, Landry) an integral part of Houston's over-performing without a functioning star front court. Both Martin and Scola would be significant upgrades for NO at their positions, as would Odom as a front court 6th man, and they would have gotten a 1st and a backup PG in Dragic. Odom was traded today to Dallas, I believe for a 1st. NO might have gotten more for Odom from a team in a jam at the deadline.

When you trade a superstar, you rarely get one back. That's been the history of the league. There's only so many superstars. Detroit lost Grant, and they didn't get a superstar back. They did alright. Phoenix lost Kidd, but they did alright, signing Nash, who left Dallas, but Dallas did alright. Besides, Grant, McGrady, Arenas, etc. show the risk of highly paid stars with injury histories/fragile bodies.

[sfam]

I think everyone is looking at NO as receiving a bunch of old players, but what if they already had options for turning them over? If I'm a NO fan right now, I'm truly pissed. Stern's meddling means less teams will want to take a change on a deal with NO that gets rejected. All that does is piss off your players who were in the deal.

LA fans can be pissed as well, but honestly, I think they end up just fine from this.

[MF23]

As soon as you want to address the other half of the game of basketball - you know, the one that these other names you're mentioning don't suck at - I might find your arguments more compelling.

hahahaha

[penbeast0]

Possibly stupid question . . . can the Lakers trade the exemption they got for Odom to Orlando for a Turkoglu type bad contract to sweeten a DHoward deal?

[hands11]

Gotta say that Cuban continues to show that he is the NBA's premier master strategist - Odom fits perfectly for them - he has only 2.4 mil guaranteed next season - or they can keep him for 8.2 mil. So, they can be a contender this season and still have great flexibility for next season. Now, I don't look at them as favorites - they need a young guy to step up big in that backcourt and another big - like DM said, but they've got a shot.

Now, can the Lakers get Howard for Bynum and not give up Pau? If yes, they're in better shape than if they had made the Paul trade - and the Lakers and the Mavs owe Stern a Christmas present - Stern's meddling has inadvertantly helped the Lakers and Mavs. Will it hurt NO? Probably not much - if they get Minnesota's unprotected 1st rounder in a trade with the Clips - along with Aminu, Bledsoe, and Kaman - though I'm not a Kaman fan.

I agree. Specially given the situation Cuban is dealing with. They just won it all. A lot of people would just double down at all cost and go at it again. He tried but he didnt want to be locked down long term. Chandler could have stayed in Dallas, but the Mavs offered only a one-year deal reportedly for $20 million. So he let Chandler walk. He is looking a mile or two down the road.

Instead he signed a 4 year deal worth 58M which is an average of 15M a year. That is probably a year long and maybe 1-2M more then Cuban wanted to go. I guess we will see if this was the right move in time.

[MF23]

I think everyone is looking at NO as receiving a bunch of old players, but what if they already had options for turning them over? If I'm a NO fan right now, I'm truly pissed. Stern's meddling means less teams will want to take a change on a deal with NO that gets rejected. All that does is piss off your players who were in the deal.

LA fans can be pissed as well, but honestly, I think they end up just fine from this.

You know there is no team that will have low picks which Paul would want to resign with. Paul has to want to go to this trade partner. The Hornets are backed in a corner and are probably going to end up getting F'd.

[no D in Hibachi]

I think everyone is looking at NO as receiving a bunch of old players, but what if they already had options for turning them over? If I'm a NO fan right now, I'm truly pissed. Stern's meddling means less teams will want to take a change on a deal with NO that gets rejected. All that does is piss off your players who were in the deal.

LA fans can be pissed as well, but honestly, I think they end up just fine from this.

Trouble is 'NO fan' really stands for no fan. They are the Atlanta Thrashers of the NBA a team with no fan base and shouldn't have been moved there in the first place.

[Ruzious]

It looks like the Knicks are going to clear cap room to acquire Jamal Crawford - finding a 3rd team to take a salary off their hands - just like they did with Wiz taking Turiaf to get Chandler. If it's Douglas that they're dumping, I think it's a mistake. I love Douglas' toughness, and he can play either guard position. They've already wasted space by getting Bibby. I'd just go after Barea if I were the Knicks. Btw, Crawford going to the Knicks doesn't help for the Wiz getting back Young cheaply - we figured Crawford would go to a team with cap room - not a team like the Knicks.

Alan Hahn:Deal for Crawford, whom D'Antoni loved before Nov. 08 trade, would include team with cap space to help facilitate deal.2 minutes ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1gFDHEiLq

[montestewart]

Knicks would have four potential all stars (Crawford's a stretch, but under D'Antoni, who knows?) and Bibby would be their starting PG? And virtually no depth? I guess it might be entertaining for awhile, but it also might miss the playoffs, earning a higher draft pick for some lucky team other than the Knicks.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Call me crazy, but I think Haywood and a healthy Roddy B can replicate 80% of what Tyson Chandler and JJ Berea did, perhaps more if Roddy B returns to 2010 playoff form. Adding Odom is such a savvy move. I think they're actually a better team now with Odom even if they lose JJ in addition to losing Chandler. Odom is a perfect addition for a veteren championship contending team. He is an awful acquistion for a rebuilding meddling team.

Dallas also drafted a guy last season, Dominique Jones, who looked to be among the best players in the 2010 Vegas Summer League.

Jones will replace a lot of what DeShawn Stevenson did. He attacks the rim ferociously.

I think the problem for Dallas will be that Tyson Chandler was the defensive anchor and a strong finisher who made life so much easier for Dirk. I will be curious to see the Mavs with MORE talent but different chemistry.

[sfam]

Call me crazy, but I think Haywood and a healthy Roddy B can replicate 80% of what Tyson Chandler and JJ Berea did, perhaps more if Roddy B returns to 2010 playoff form. Adding Odom is such a savvy move. I think they're actually a better team now with Odom even if they lose JJ in addition to losing Chandler. Odom is a perfect addition for a veteren championship contending team. He is an awful acquistion for a rebuilding meddling team.

Dallas also drafted a guy last season, Dominique Jones, who looked to be among the best players in the 2010 Vegas Summer League.

Jones will replace a lot of what DeShawn Stevenson did. He attacks the rim ferociously.

I think the problem for Dallas will be that Tyson Chandler was the defensive anchor and a strong finisher who made life so much easier for Dirk. I will be curious to see the Mavs with MORE talent but different chemistry.

Agreed. Without Chandler, they probably end up a slightly more talented version of the Mavericks of old - they run through the regular season and then lose in the second round of the playoffs where defense is king.

[sfam]

Knicks would have four potential all stars (Crawford's a stretch, but under D'Antoni, who knows?) and Bibby would be their starting PG? And virtually no depth? I guess it might be entertaining for awhile, but it also might miss the playoffs, earning a higher draft pick for some lucky team other than the Knicks.

I would sort of expect Baron Davis to end up in NY, even with Bibby. If Cleveland dumps him, NY seems like the right place for someone with Davis' talents. No D, run and gun is what that guy does.

[fishercob]

If LA gives up Bynum and Gasol for Howard, I wonder if Otis would go back to Morey and get Scola and Mertin for Gasol. Jameer, Martin, JRich, Scola, Bynum, Redick, Baby, etc is a pretty good team.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think everyone is looking at NO as receiving a bunch of old players, but what if they already had options for turning them over? If I'm a NO fan right now, I'm truly pissed. Stern's meddling means less teams will want to take a change on a deal with NO that gets rejected. All that does is piss off your players who were in the deal.

LA fans can be pissed as well, but honestly, I think they end up just fine from this.

Trouble is 'NO fan' really stands for no fan. They are the Atlanta Thrashers of the NBA a team with no fan base and shouldn't have been moved there in the first place.

What Stern failed to consider is Lamar Odom has a couple of rings and he's known (for better or worse) for his reality tv show appearances. Put him and Scola next to Okafor, and the winning would draw fans IMO.

Add to that a guy who can score 23 PPG in Kevin Martin, and the Hornets would have been perhaps an improved team with legit playoff hopes. The Saints turned it around and I think the Hornets would have, too. Odom would have been better for them than David West, IMO. Scola can provide most of what West did for that team.

I think Stern meddled where he should have and that he's already determined to contract the Hornets.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Call me crazy, but I think Haywood and a healthy Roddy B can replicate 80% of what Tyson Chandler and JJ Berea did, perhaps more if Roddy B returns to 2010 playoff form. Adding Odom is such a savvy move. I think they're actually a better team now with Odom even if they lose JJ in addition to losing Chandler. Odom is a perfect addition for a veteren championship contending team. He is an awful acquistion for a rebuilding meddling team.

Dallas also drafted a guy last season, Dominique Jones, who looked to be among the best players in the 2010 Vegas Summer League.

Jones will replace a lot of what DeShawn Stevenson did. He attacks the rim ferociously.

I think the problem for Dallas will be that Tyson Chandler was the defensive anchor and a strong finisher who made life so much easier for Dirk. I will be curious to see the Mavs with MORE talent but different chemistry.

Agreed. Without Chandler, they probably end up a slightly more talented version of the Mavericks of old - they run through the regular season and then lose in the second round of the playoffs where defense is king.

Yep, sfam. Then again, Brendan got a lot of rest last season. We know he's a good defender in his own right. With added offense and speed on the perimeter, the Mavs won't need ANY offense at C. He won't have to provide offense Chandler did. Could also be that the Mavs will use Odom primarily at C and bring Haywood off the bench as Odom backs PF or SF.

I will be very interested to see Dallas around playoff time. Odom and Haywood will make or break the Mavericks in their quest to repeat.

[Rafael122]

Loving what the Pacers are doing.