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jadewbj wrote:IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Are we even trying to trade right now? I never hear anything about us actually trying to negotiate trades for Monta, just seems to be what the fans want
This is the problem with Otis, he doesn't talk about what he is doing. There aren't even leaks. It's a real problem because apparently he won't even talk to Dwight.
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Are we even trying to trade right now? I never hear anything about us actually trying to negotiate trades for Monta, just seems to be what the fans want
MagicFan149 wrote:RickB-Orlando wrote:MagicFan149 wrote:if dwight really wants sjax....
jj and ryno for sjax.... then tpe for gooden? helps them get further under cap while atleast somewhat replaceing both player..... then you still have hopefully enough to work a 3 team trade to aquire beans and ellis from gsw.....
i think that the sjax trade already makes us more competitive then we are now and that would give dwight 2 of his "list" players in big baby and sjax
Ugh, Gooden. Only if we could flip him for something useful, like some old socks or something.
haha well gooden hopefully could give you 10-12 mins a nite off the bench.... but you gotta give to get .... we lose some youth but definately get us a gritty "dwight" player...i think id do it....especially if you knew the ellis trade was possible
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:jadewbj wrote:IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Are we even trying to trade right now? I never hear anything about us actually trying to negotiate trades for Monta, just seems to be what the fans want
This is the problem with Otis, he doesn't talk about what he is doing. There aren't even leaks. It's a real problem because apparently he won't even talk to Dwight.
It's really obnoxious, because part of me says fire Otis, but then part of me says he might be in the middle of working out a trade with GSW
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:jadewbj wrote:IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Are we even trying to trade right now? I never hear anything about us actually trying to negotiate trades for Monta, just seems to be what the fans want
This is the problem with Otis, he doesn't talk about what he is doing. There aren't even leaks. It's a real problem because apparently he won't even talk to Dwight.
It's really obnoxious, because part of me says fire Otis, but then part of me says he might be in the middle of working out a trade with GSW
jadewbj wrote:IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Are we even trying to trade right now? I never hear anything about us actually trying to negotiate trades for Monta, just seems to be what the fans want
This is the problem with Otis, he doesn't talk about what he is doing. There aren't even leaks. It's a real problem because apparently he won't even talk to Dwight.
i agree here it could be a great time to fire him or the worst time, Otis himself has actually made it very difficult to let go because he may be working on something worthwhile.
I think if he does end up pulling of an Ellis trade you still fire him anyway just to show Dwight he has a voice on this team.
See, here’s my problem.
Carmelo Anthony had it right. For all his ego, for all the manipulation, for holding the Nuggets and the news cycle hostage for six months, he had it right. It was quiet. He never committed to the Nuggets, kept it quiet, didn’t make it worse. Melo knows it’s a business and acted as such. Anthony was cold, calculating, and brutal in his decision making.
Dwight Howard wants you to like him. It’s not enough that he plays basketball better than all but about maybe two people on Earth, he has to be loved. And as abandoning the franchise that has repeatedly gone into the luxury tax, and gone to the voters to get you a new arena is typically frowned upon, Dwight is doing the whole big long act. There’s a whole speech you’re supposed to give, about how much you love the city and the fans, about how hard it is for you. None of this ever stops the departure, mind you, it always happens along the same timeline.
But Dwight’s a little different in one way. He’s not blaming it on business, or his heart, or wanting to win. No, no. He’s doing it because he didn’t get to play general manager.
One slight problem.
Dwight Howard’s input is pretty well worthless.
It’s not really his fault. It’s hard to really be up on analyzing player trends, thinking of the total team concept, working on scouting and statistical analysis when you’re dunking the bejesus out of people. And yet multiple reports have indicated Howard was upset with the amnesty clause being used on Gilbert Arenas. Reports indicated Howard was upset at the trade of Rashard Lewis. In short, this comes across as Howard wanting to bring his friends in, and being upset when management wanted to manage, and wanted their player to play.
It’s one thing for stars to be consulted on deals, to be made aware of decisions. But there’s a big gap between that and having influence. Howard has his own agenda, he’s always had his own agenda, and it involves commercial appeal. And that’s great! He’s a genuinely funny, lovable guy. But don’t lie to the fans, don’t lie to the media, and don’t lie to yourself. Melo played it cold, because that’s what the situation required. Howard trying to play the victim is like someone being upset they got a paper cut while causing a car wreck.
If you’re going to blow the tracks, don’t blame the conductor.
"I just think everybody needs to stop talking about it," Howard said. "There's more to life than free throws."
RickB-Orlando wrote:jadewbj wrote:IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Are we even trying to trade right now? I never hear anything about us actually trying to negotiate trades for Monta, just seems to be what the fans want
This is the problem with Otis, he doesn't talk about what he is doing. There aren't even leaks. It's a real problem because apparently he won't even talk to Dwight.
If in fact he isn't talking to Dwight, that's a problem.
Just because he isn't leaking anything, that's not a problem. In fact, if he were discussing who he was going after, it would be a problem, because that's the definition of tampering.
magicfan84 wrote:
I think if he does end up pulling of an Ellis trade you still fire him anyway just to show Dwight he has a voice on this team.
magicburt wrote:Dwight is just coming up with excuses to make himself look/feel better if you ask me. I really don't think us landing bbd and sjax would have kept him from leaving. The front official is a joke but I bet some of the bad moves were Dwights ideas. He should just man up and stop trying to make excuses and admit he wants to play in a bigger market.
"When I saw the [Lamar] Odom trade, it made no sense unless there’s a follow-up move that’s already set for the Lakers. You don’t give away a guy like Odom to one of your big rivals unless something’s coming. So my first thought was this opens up a trade exception for the Lakers. Maybe they take in Jameer Nelson. I think they got a first-round pick from Dallas, although it’s not clear. But maybe Orlando ends up with a couple of firsts and Bynum and Gasol and unloads some money with Turkoglu. I think that’s the best-case scenario."
OS: "How quickly do you think this will get resolved?"
Kerr: "It’s really impossible to know unless you’re involved, but I would think sooner than later.
Nobody wants to go through what Denver went through last year, and in this case, it’s not just one team like it was last year with the Nuggets. There are multiple teams that really want to get on with life and not have this sort of cloud hanging over their seasons. The Lakers are in that boat. Orlando is there. And New Orleans is there. Houston may even be there now because of the fact that that last trade fell through, because now they’ve got to answer to Luis Scola, Kevin Martin and all those guys."
sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
If E.Gordon put in the deal, it's a different story. But Odom, Scola, Martin, Dragic & Knicks' No. 1 > Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu & Minn. No. 1
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Ken Berger
KBergCBS Ken Berger
We won't know whether this deal is better for Hornets or not for 2-3 yrs. But Stern's nixing of Lakers deal was wrong regardless.
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Nick
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@HowardBeckNYT as a hornets fan it does. makes me bloody happy with sterns decision after all
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Fred McTweeter
tweetinomglol Fred McTweeter
@HowardBeckNYT Everyone got so pissed, but isn't it Stern's right to veto any trade to the Hornets for any reason as if he were the owner?
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David Salman
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@HowardBeckNYT No. It's still a blatant abuse of power. Stern entrusted basketball operations to Jack and Demps. Can't go back on that now.
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Marcus Washington
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@HowardBeckNYT No. The big problem with the veto comes from what Gilbert said. The deal would allow another team to get too good.
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Steve Bennett
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@HowardBeckNYT Much as I hate the Lakers and all these prima donnas (Melo, CP3, Howard) demanding trades, nothing validates what Stern did.
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Chris Naylor
ThePantsMan42 Chris Naylor
@howardbecknyt The real loser in all of this is the Rockets. They won't get their C, their plan destroyed, and Martin and Scola pissed off
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Howard Beck
HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Will RT a few...
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Howard Beck
HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Responses fall in two categories: 1. Stern veto wrong on principle. Meddling. Screwed Hou and LAL. 2. Veto OK if it made Hornets better
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Howard Beck
HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Rhetorical question: If Hornets get reported package from LAC - young talent, Minn pick - does it validate Stern's veto of CP3 to Lakers?
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Zach Lowe
ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
ESPN story, time-stamped 3 mins ago, says LAC deal is submitted to league and includes Gordon, not Bledsoe: tinyurl.com/clo9zxs
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Adrian Wojnarowski
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Eric Gordon isn't included in a revised Clippers-New Orleans deal for Chris Paul, league source tells Y! Sports.
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Ken Berger
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Wrong because it affected five teams the NBA does NOT own: Lakers, Rockets, Mavs, Clippers and Nets. League shouldn't be in their biz.
magicfan4life05 wrote:Interesting read:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... eam-badly/See, here’s my problem.
Carmelo Anthony had it right. For all his ego, for all the manipulation, for holding the Nuggets and the news cycle hostage for six months, he had it right. It was quiet. He never committed to the Nuggets, kept it quiet, didn’t make it worse. Melo knows it’s a business and acted as such. Anthony was cold, calculating, and brutal in his decision making.
Dwight Howard wants you to like him. It’s not enough that he plays basketball better than all but about maybe two people on Earth, he has to be loved. And as abandoning the franchise that has repeatedly gone into the luxury tax, and gone to the voters to get you a new arena is typically frowned upon, Dwight is doing the whole big long act. There’s a whole speech you’re supposed to give, about how much you love the city and the fans, about how hard it is for you. None of this ever stops the departure, mind you, it always happens along the same timeline.
But Dwight’s a little different in one way. He’s not blaming it on business, or his heart, or wanting to win. No, no. He’s doing it because he didn’t get to play general manager.
goes thru D12 quotes then,One slight problem.
Dwight Howard’s input is pretty well worthless.
It’s not really his fault. It’s hard to really be up on analyzing player trends, thinking of the total team concept, working on scouting and statistical analysis when you’re dunking the bejesus out of people. And yet multiple reports have indicated Howard was upset with the amnesty clause being used on Gilbert Arenas. Reports indicated Howard was upset at the trade of Rashard Lewis. In short, this comes across as Howard wanting to bring his friends in, and being upset when management wanted to manage, and wanted their player to play.
It’s one thing for stars to be consulted on deals, to be made aware of decisions. But there’s a big gap between that and having influence. Howard has his own agenda, he’s always had his own agenda, and it involves commercial appeal. And that’s great! He’s a genuinely funny, lovable guy. But don’t lie to the fans, don’t lie to the media, and don’t lie to yourself. Melo played it cold, because that’s what the situation required. Howard trying to play the victim is like someone being upset they got a paper cut while causing a car wreck.
If you’re going to blow the tracks, don’t blame the conductor.