Bean Burrito / Nick Young Appreciation Thread.

[hands11]

I wonder if Barea's deal($19 million/4 years) is about the right price for Nick Young?

They had very similar PERs. Barea gets more assists and Nick Young scores a little more. Barea would seem to be a defensive liability, but opposing PGs only had a PER of 11.2 against him.

If the deal was structured well(the cap space this season for the first year and the rest flat or declining) I think it could be great for the Wizards and a fair one for Nick Young. Under that deal Young could be a great trade asset, if the Wizards decide to deal him.

The length of the deal I believe will largely be up to Nick. The Wiz can say how much but Nick, I think, will be the driving force for how long.

We only have one data point for the Nick/Wiz negotiations and that is 1 year at $3,695,857

Now we have a few reference points from other teams regarding other players. The next big important factor will be any contract offer made directly to Nick. If that doesn't happen, then I think things get real interesting. Will Nick shoot for 1 year, 2 years or maybe more. If he has no better offer then the 1 year, I doubt the Wizards offer him anything in the 7M range for 3 or more years. That is where Nick has to decide what he wants to do. Go for it in a year or two or settle for less which is likely in the 5M-6.5M range for 2-4 years.

[GhostsOfGil]

man... were coming down to the wire for this whole ny situation. if i had to guess, he'll take the qualifying offer thats on the table. not sure if we've offered anything other than the qo...

[Rafael122]

man... were coming down to the wire for this whole ny situation. if i had to guess, he'll take the qualifying offer thats on the table. not sure if we've offered anything other than the qo...

I just think the team offered him the QO and that's it. Makes no sense for them to overpay or bid against themselves. If he had amarket he'd have a deal by now. Young is just one of the casualties of the lockout.

I just hope Nick doesn't take it personally. Just makes business sense, and it makes sense business wise if he signs the 1 year deal and goes back on the market again.

[no D in Hibachi]

Now that the clips gave away their SG maybe they make a play for N1? Do they still have cap space?

[mhd]

Now that the clips gave away their SG maybe they make a play for N1? Do they still have cap space?

With Paul, Jordan, Blake, Caron, Mo WIlliams, Foye, Gomes, and Billups, I don't think they have room.

[hands11]

I know this my sound strange coming from me since I have been a huge Nick supporter but lately I have started to wonder....

I mean I love what Nick adds to the team in shooting and man D. And at 6-7 athletic and long armed, it doesn't get much better then that for measurements. And I even think he can round out his game to include more rebounding and passing. I think the kid has all the tools to be a really good top SG. It's just the dumb/immuture factor that worries me.

This team is transforming its character. There are a lot more serious focused smart players here now. And if Dray has truly traded in his immature bone head membership, that really only leaves Nick and McGee as player who need to make that step. And Nick and McGee are good friends. I think I like the idea of McGee being isolated from Nick. It would give him a better chance of getting pulled forward by the rest of the team. It might be better for both Nick and McGee if they are separated.

At the same time, I think Nick has a better chance of rounding out his game here. I think it would be harder on him changing teams and then learning to fit in on a new team. Nick seems to be a who needs to be comfortable in his surroundings.

I just wonder if the new Wizards team has enough to pull both McGee and Nick forward. Or if adding him will delay McGee's progress. It actually worked out really well that Nick was in a contract situation. That allowed to team to gel in a serious way without his added goofiness. Now if he comes back, he can plug into that and benefit from it.

But I guess McGee is McGee's problem. Also, I don't have a strong feeling he will be sticking around as long as Flip is here. I think McGee wants to be a different kind of player. He doesn't really want to be a true center. I think he wants to be more like Vesely. A PF/SF type. I think seeing Jan added who is similar height and seeing him slotted to do those things he wants to do probably bothers him. I just read an article that Vesely is now 7-0 so he is basically the size and weight McGee was when he got here only he won't be asked to play center or defend it. McGee would have loved to be picked 6th as a run, dunk, energy guy who get to work on his outside shooting.

Anyway, just stuff running though my head.

Damn the Wizards are a long team. And they aren't just tall, they are long armed.

Consider the front court of McGee 7-0, Dray 6-11 and Jan 7-0 with 6-7 NY and Wall 6-5

Then you have Lewis SF/PF at 6-10
Singleton SF at 6-8

[hands11]

man... were coming down to the wire for this whole ny situation. if i had to guess, he'll take the qualifying offer thats on the table. not sure if we've offered anything other than the qo...

I just think the team offered him the QO and that's it. Makes no sense for them to overpay or bid against themselves. If he had amarket he'd have a deal by now. Young is just one of the casualties of the lockout.

I just hope Nick doesn't take it personally. Just makes business sense, and it makes sense business wise if he signs the 1 year deal and goes back on the market again.

Actually it does make some sense to bid against themselves if they want to keep him more then a year. I was just reading a article showing how players that signed to qualifying offer on a first contract almost always leave the following year. In part they said it was because simply offering the QA showed the team did not value that player and they were not in their longer term plans.

Best balanced offered for the Wizard/Nick would be a 2 year deal at 5-6M Nick would keep flexibility but also feel valued.

Best deal for the Wizards would be a 3 year at the same price.

Ok, I found the article ..... http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/12/1 ... bably-gone

There are other article about this there also.

http://www.sportsoverdose.com/nba-players/nick-young

[Ruzious]

man... were coming down to the wire for this whole ny situation. if i had to guess, he'll take the qualifying offer thats on the table. not sure if we've offered anything other than the qo...

I just think the team offered him the QO and that's it. Makes no sense for them to overpay or bid against themselves. If he had amarket he'd have a deal by now. Young is just one of the casualties of the lockout.

I just hope Nick doesn't take it personally. Just makes business sense, and it makes sense business wise if he signs the 1 year deal and goes back on the market again.

Actually it does make some sense to bid against themselves if they want to keep him more then a year. I was just reading a article showing how players that signed to qualifying offer on a first contract almost always leave the following year. In part they said it was because simply offering the QA showed the team did not value that player and they were not in their longer term plans.

Best balanced offered for the Wizard/Nick would be a 2 year deal at 5-6M Nick would keep flexibility but also feel valued.

Best deal for the Wizards would be a 3 year at the same price.

Ok, I found the article ..... http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/12/1 ... bably-gone

There are other article about this there also.

http://www.sportsoverdose.com/nba-players/nick-young

Yup, if they're just going to end up doing the qualifying offer, what's the point? It shows that clearly 1 or both sides doesn't really want it to be long-term relationship - and if it's one side, that eventually sours the other side. It opens up some flexibility, but... it's probably not to going to be a good situation - just f it and try something different if that's all that you're willing to commit - that goes for both Nick and the Wiz. Hopefully, both sides do want to commit.

Our front office is showing all the energy and excitement of watching grass turn brown.

[REDardWIZskin]

The more i watch training camp the more I become comfortable with the idea of letting Nick walk or just keeping the one yr qualifying offer. I'd be fine going through this season without him and heading into the draft with Lamb/ Beal/ Ross high on our draft board.

[nate33]

My guess is that EG and Young's agent have reached an impass. Young thinks he's worth $7-8M a year and management thinks he's worth less. Young may be willing to take the QO and gamble that he'll have more success in free agency next year.

Let's assume Young thinks he can get $7M a year if he waits. By taking the QO, he'll only get $3.7M this year. That means, in a best-case scenario, he'll make $10.7M over the next two years. Why not compromise and sign him right now to a 2-year deal? Give Young $5M a year for 2 years. Young takes just slightly less money than his best case scenario (to compensate for the injury risk) while the Wizards get to keep a solid SG for another 2 years while they wait to see how the team's roster rounds out. It'll be easier to make a long term decision on Young by next year. By then we'll know our 2012 draft position; the Dwight Howard situation will be resolved; and we'll have a good handle on the long term viability of Jordan Crawford.

Ideally, instead of 2-years at $5M per, we give Young $7M this year and $3M next year. (That's about all we have under the cap this year.) I'd like to keep our cap figure next year as low as possible.

Also, with Young signed for 2-years, he'll be a marketable asset in a trade. I don't think you can trade players who have taken the QO. And nobody will trade much for an impending free agent anyway.

[nate33]

The more i watch training camp the more I become comfortable with the idea of letting Nick walk or just keeping the one yr qualifying offer. I'd be fine going through this season without him and heading into the draft with Lamb/ Beal/ Ross high on our draft board.

Training camp videos don't show the missed shots.

In the NBA, shooting matters. Teams without knock-down shooters simply don't succeed. We don't have any deadeye shooters on the roster except Rashard Lewis. Losing Young would definitely hurt this team, don't kid yourself.

[jivelikenice]

I still want to bring back Nick Young. We're pretty thin at at the 2 guard and we're one injury away from being in a major hole there. Mason is good at what he is, but should not be considered a potential starter.

Nick also is our best & most consistent shooter. On a time that doesn't get high % ouitside shooting from the PG,, its a necessity to have that at the 2 guard spot. Crawford can shoot it, but he's more of a scorer than a shoter IMO.

I also think this would benefit Crawford. I'm a huge fan of his but think he's best suited for a #3 guard role. He can back-up Nick & John and play the Jason Terry type role for us....

[TheKingOfVa360]

We need Nick Youngs shooting bad, he can create his own shot from anywhere.

[montestewart]

The more i watch training camp the more I become comfortable with the idea of letting Nick walk or just keeping the one yr qualifying offer. I'd be fine going through this season without him and heading into the draft with Lamb/ Beal/ Ross high on our draft board.

Training camp videos don't show the missed shots.

In the NBA, shooting matters. Teams without knock-down shooters simply don't succeed. We don't have any deadeye shooters on the roster except Rashard Lewis. Losing Young would definitely hurt this team, don't kid yourself.

If letting Young go, at least do it with open eyes, considering the above. Maybe one or more of Singleton, Mack, Crawford develop into a reliable 3 pt shooter. Maybe not. Maybe Blatche or Vesely develop more efficient midrange games. Maybe not. Maybe the Wizards pick up someone in trade or as a FA to fill the void. Maybe not. Lots of maybes, but certainly no obvious shooter, other than Lewis.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, training camp videos of guys like Mason making shots in practice = zero value.

[Ruzious]

My guess is that EG and Young's agent have reached an impass. Young thinks he's worth $7-8M a year and management thinks he's worth less. Young may be willing to take the QO and gamble that he'll have more success in free agency next year.

Let's assume Young thinks he can get $7M a year if he waits. By taking the QO, he'll only get $3.7M this year. That means, in a best-case scenario, he'll make $10.7M over the next two years. Why not compromise and sign him right now to a 2-year deal? Give Young $5M a year for 2 years. Young takes just slightly less money than his best case scenario (to compensate for the injury risk) while the Wizards get to keep a solid SG for another 2 years while they wait to see how the team's roster rounds out. It'll be easier to make a long term decision on Young by next year. By then we'll know our 2012 draft position; the Dwight Howard situation will be resolved; and we'll have a good handle on the long term viability of Jordan Crawford.

Ideally, instead of 2-years at $5M per, we give Young $7M this year and $3M next year. (That's about all we have under the cap this year.) I'd like to keep our cap figure next year as low as possible.

Also, with Young signed for 2-years, he'll be a marketable asset in a trade. I don't think you can trade players who have taken the QO. And nobody will trade much for an impending free agent anyway.

I think even a 2 year contract misses the mark. Either make a real commitment or try elsewhere - especially if you can get him for a price that helps the team long-term.

[Benjammin]

I would think the minimum multi-year deal that would work for both the Wizards and Nick would be three years. Ideally that would utilize a frontloaded first year of the contract (if that is permissible under the rules) and then the next two years at a reduced rate. So, if they had space for 8 million this year and then 5 mill a year for the following two years that would be a 3 year 18 million dollar contract. These next three years are likely to be some of the best years of his career looking at historical trends.

[Illuminaire]

The more i watch training camp the more I become comfortable with the idea of letting Nick walk or just keeping the one yr qualifying offer. I'd be fine going through this season without him and heading into the draft with Lamb/ Beal/ Ross high on our draft board.

Training camp videos don't show the missed shots.

In the NBA, shooting matters. Teams without knock-down shooters simply don't succeed. We don't have any deadeye shooters on the roster except Rashard Lewis. Losing Young would definitely hurt this team, don't kid yourself.

I don't even count Lewis. His no-jump catapult style windup takes forever and he's easy to contest.

[closg00]

Mike Prada's latest blog has insights from Flip on Nick.

Saunders did say that Ernie Grunfeld is "still talking" to Young's representatives about a long-term deal, but he followed that up by saying that, "as in most negotiations," the two sides are apart as far as the terms of a new deal. Then, Saunders said this:

"With Nick's situation, what's happened is a lot of the money right now is drying up in some places. I think he's kind of waiting to see if something does happen. There's always trades and seeing if anything pans out with some of those other trades and see where everything falls into place"

I wonder what the offer is?

[nate33]

I think even a 2 year contract misses the mark. Either make a real commitment or try elsewhere - especially if you can get him for a price that helps the team long-term.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather see them agree to a 3-year or 4-year contract. But I can understand Young's reluctance to do so. He wants to enter free agency while still in the prime of his career. If he signs a 3-year deal now, he'll be 28 when he's a free agent again. That may be a bit old to expect a big money, long-term contract given the way shooting guards often decline around age 31 or so.

All I'm saying is that a 2-year $10M deal seems to me to be more preferable to BOTH parties than the qualifying offer. Young gets the same amount of money he would get in his best-case scenario, he hits free agency at age 27 when he's still young enough to get a long term deal, and the Wizards get him locked up for 2-years with next year at a cheaper salary, and with a contract that is tradeable.