Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Perry Jones should be in the discussion for number 1 overall pick. I think he's arguably the best talent in the draft.

He's on his way to top 5 but idk about discussion for #1 though.

Why not? He has as much physical ability as Davis or Drummond. In Drummond's case, there are the same question marks regarding his aggressiveness, or lack thereof, as Jones'. As far as Anthony Davis goes, he's still a work-in-progress offensively, but I'd still probably give him the edge considering that he's a freshman vs. Jones, a sophomore. But, it's definitely close.

[bboyskinnylegs]

nice finish by Myck there

[fredericklove]

Perry Jones should be in the discussion for number 1 overall pick. I think he's arguably the best talent in the draft.

He's on his way to top 5 but idk about discussion for #1 though.

Why not? He has as much physical ability as Davis or Drummond. In Drummond's case, there are the same question marks regarding his aggressiveness, or lack thereof, as Jones'. As far as Anthony Davis goes, he's still a work-in-progress offensively, but I'd still probably give him the edge considering that he's a freshman vs. Jones, a sophomore. But, it's definitely close.

Defensively he's just not there, for a lengthy 6'11, he's not playing physical on that end. His offensive skillset though is off the chart..., that's the only intriguing part of his game. Teams probably still draft Davis and Drummond top 2.

[fredericklove]

Which strikes the question: How does a Val/PJ3 pairing strike you?

I don't think that PJ3 can play time 3 full-time, I just don't see it. He's looking like a face-up 4 a la Bosh.

It'll be Bosh all over again, do not want.

[fredericklove]

Pray the lord BC finds a way to trade for Kabongo.

[fredericklove]

Kabongo - 5 of 10 FG, 8 of 14 FT, 5 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl, 18 pts

[ZanTabak2]

We need Perry Jones

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Cody Zeller looking good. Still think he's the 4th big taken if he comes out, after the ADs and PJ3.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Cody Zeller looking good. Still think he's the 4th big taken if he comes out, after the ADs and PJ3.

ahead of Sullinger and Henson as well?

[baulderdash77]

I was really the biggest PJ III detractor last year I think, mostly because he was so passive and looked disinterested a lot last year.

This year the lights are on and he's harnessing his incredible basketball talent. Right now if I had the #1 overall pick, I would take Perry Jones and fit him into the lineup. From what I'm seeing of him, he's going to be a star in the NBA because his size & athleticism are going to translate.

I like him better than Davis at this point because his body is physically ready and he has a defined position (PF). He has the look of a 1st option much more than anyone else in the draft at this point.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ I think him and Lamb are the two guys that really looks like potential go-to scorers in the league.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Cody Zeller looking good. Still think he's the 4th big taken if he comes out, after the ADs and PJ3.

ahead of Sullinger and Henson as well?

Yes. I think Sullinger's ability to get his game off and size/position will be called into question, and Henson will be seen as perma-skinny/defensive.

Cody looks like a PF and has a good mix of hands, feet and brains, and he'll be seen as somebody who can score up front which there isn't much of this year or any other. Think he's a top 10, top 7 pick and the other two are going to slip to late lotto.

[baulderdash77]

^^ I think him and Lamb are the two guys that really looks like potential go-to scorers in the league.

Lamb is a Rip Hamilton clone to me. I think he can be a good 2nd or 3rd option but not a go to guy.

I really like what Lamb is becoming but I wouldn't want to make him our primary focus.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

^^ I think him and Lamb are the two guys that really looks like potential go-to scorers in the league.

Lamb is a Rip Hamilton clone to me. I think he can be a good 2nd or 3rd option but not a go to guy.

His ability to create is his best asset, I think you're off there. If anything, he shoots too much because he can get what he wants.

[baulderdash77]

^^ I think him and Lamb are the two guys that really looks like potential go-to scorers in the league.

Lamb is a Rip Hamilton clone to me. I think he can be a good 2nd or 3rd option but not a go to guy.

His ability to create is his best asset, I think you're off there. If anything, he shoots too much because he can get what he wants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tnktoIjtiU

In his big 30 point game, he only got 8 points creating for himself (and 2 of those were on the big dunk where they swung the ball to him and he just drove straight to the basket). The rest were on fast breaks, screens & catch & shoots. That's pretty consistent with his game overall.

He moves without the ball very very well and sticks those shots. He gets up the court and finishes well in transition. Sometimes he can makes 1 move to get his shot off but normally to get a mid range shot. I think I got it right.

Rip Hamilton is his comparison and that's not a really bad thing. That's 15,000 NBA points and a title as a 2nd option for most of it.

[Undefeated]

Which strikes the question: How does a Val/PJ3 pairing strike you?

Jonas will have to cover a lot for Perry defensively with that pairing in the front court. Despite being close to 7'0", he just doesn't impact the game defensively with his length and strength when he has the upper hand. He'll get the occasional blocked shot here and there, though he tends to coast too much - gives up post position rather easily and doesn't box out. I couldn't believe how easily Brandon Davies got his 13th rebound this afternoon when he was all the way back at the perimeter. His lack of a motor annoys me a bit on the defensive side.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

In his big 30 point game, he only got 8 points creating for himself (and 2 of those were on the big dunk where they swung the ball to him and he just drove straight to the basket). The rest were on fast breaks, screens & catch & shoots. That's pretty consistent with his game overall.

He moves without the ball very very well and sticks those shots. He gets up the court and finishes well in transition. Sometimes he can makes 1 move to get his shot off but normally to get a mid range shot. I think I got it right.

Rip Hamilton is his comparison and that's not a really bad thing. That's 15,000 NBA points and a title as a 2nd option for most of it.

I think a lot of that is the offense being executed well. When things break down I see him attacking left and right, jumpers, floaters, layups (although I wish he finished with his left). He showed off his handle more when he was backing up the point, now he's playing some 3 with Boatright around.

He's definitely a good off-ball player too, and I wasn't dissing Rip.

Agree to disagree.

[dagger]

He has the look of a 1st option much more than anyone else in the draft at this point.

So far this draft isn't exciting me as much as I'd expect, given the hype. It's certainly deeper, but deeper doesn't do a team like ours any good. There is no Top 10 superstar for sure, no griffin or Durant or Carmelo - these guys ate up the NCAA as freshmen, and Griffin as a soph was an absolute no-brainer.

[Pseudonym]

...I think my ideal draft day would be having a pick high enough to draft A.Davis, then moving E.Davis + a 2013 pick for one of Barnes, MKG, or Miller.
Also:

I guess that this should be worth noting:

Sophomore small forward Harrison Barnes, who was a middle-of-the-pack defender last season, has regressed to the point that he has the worst stop percentage of any rotation player (50.6). He's allowing opponents to shoot 49.0 percent on three-point attempts, and his defensive rebounding percentage has dropped from 12.6 as a freshman to a non-factor-level 7.4. Barnes needs to be a more engaged defender if he plans on leading UNC to a national championship.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1giNFzi6R

Addendum:

Through the Tar Heels’ first ten games, Harrison Barnes’ scoring efficiency on catch-and-shoot/0-dribble possessions is a robust 1.51 points per possession. This includes a sizzling 55.6 percent from behind the 3-point arc.

On possessions in which he takes a single dribble, Barnes’ efficiency falls off to 0.81 points per possession.

When using multiple dribbles, it drops further to 0.66 points per possession. With 2+ dribbles, Barnes is shooting just 31.3 percent through 10 games with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 0.33 (3 assists, 9 turnovers).

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1gpn3g4ci

Full article: http://hoopspeak.com/college/2011/12/di ... on-barnes/

[S.W.A.N]

He has the look of a 1st option much more than anyone else in the draft at this point.

So far this draft isn't exciting me as much as I'd expect, given the hype. It's certainly deeper, but deeper doesn't do a team like ours any good. There is no Top 10 superstar for sure, no griffin or Durant or Carmelo - these guys ate up the NCAA as freshmen, and Griffin as a soph was an absolute no-brainer.

Agreed


At this point its looking like 2 superstar potential guys in Davies and Drummond, not sure fire guys like Durant or Griffin but they both have aspects of their games that will stand out more at the next level...
Drummond just needs to continue to improve as season goes on.

After that it does fall off a bit. Barnes has not stepped his game up, Miller is probably still too close to his injury to show what kind of player he really is, and then there is a whole bunch of tweeners at the top end of this draft as well.

That said, there is a boat load of talent this year and I don't think the normal 5 deep charts apply (percentage of guys that become starters drops rapidly after 5th pick in most drafts)


But it certainly does make me cheer more for wins this year. I think we have too much talent on our roster right now to compete for the top 2 guys and picks 3-10 are somewhat interchangeable at this point.

I really hope one or two of the point guards play their way into our draft range.