Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2

Indiana Jones · Post #1441 » by **Indiana Jones** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:11 pm

fredericklove wrote:Drummond has 24 pts (11 of 12), 8 reb and 5 blk...damn.

a big man rotation of bargs, drummond, ed, and jonas sounds pretty sweet to me.

drew_28 · Post #1442 » by **drew_28** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:13 pm

Drummond had himself a game! 24/8/5blocks.

granted..it was against Holy Cross...but lets hope this is a statement game! I'm hoping he gets the minutes to actively contribute

fredericklove · Post #1443 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:44 pm

Indiana Jones wrote:
fredericklove wrote:Drummond has 24 pts (11 of 12), 8 reb and 5 blk...damn.

a big man rotation of bargs, drummond, ed, and jonas sounds pretty sweet to me.

I'm hoping for a good point guard for the raps (jose and bayless not doing it in casey's system), forget top 10 pick, draft kabongo! :lol:

fredericklove · Post #1444 » by **fredericklove** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:45 pm

drew_28 wrote:Drummond had himself a game! 24/8/5blocks.

granted..it was against Holy Cross...but lets hope this is a statement game! I'm hoping he gets the minutes to actively contribute

I hope he pulls a barnes season, make a huge comeback yup.

Dr Positivity · Post #1445 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:24 pm

Yeah, then a team can make the mistake of taking him 1st, helping us out hopefully picking 2nd or 3rd

Dr Positivity · Post #1446 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:31 pm

I know people are out on him and he's a knucklehad but I'm pretty impressed by the reasonable skill level Lebryan Nash shows in this vid

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP_RPU8uaAY&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

I don't think we should count him out considering a Nash who pans out would be exactly the type of player we want

plzinck · Post #1447 » by **plzinck** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:29 am

Anthony davis

kingz32 · Post #1448 » by **kingz32** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:39 am

plzinck wrote:Anthony davis

no. Perry Jones III will have the easiest transition to the NBA and the most impact. I don't know why people think he can't play the 3 either. He's very mobile and has good size to guard anyone at that position. He is forced to play big on his team because he is one of the longest guys on the floor. He has to be our guy.

nahom1319 · Post #1449 » by **nahom1319** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:54 am

kingz32 wrote:
plzinck wrote:Anthony davis

no. Andrea Bargnani will have the easiest transition to the NBA and the most impact. I don't know why people think he can't play the 3 either. He's very mobile and has good size to guard anyone at that position. He is forced to play big on his team because he is one of the longest guys on the floor. He has to be our guy.

This sounds familliar ^^^^ :lol:

kingz32 · Post #1450 » by **kingz32** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:08 am

nahom1319 wrote:
kingz32 wrote:
plzinck wrote:Anthony davis

no. Andrea Bargnani will have the easiest transition to the NBA and the most impact. I don't know why people think he can't play the 3 either. He's very mobile and has good size to guard anyone at that position. He is forced to play big on his team because he is one of the longest guys on the floor. He has to be our guy.

This sounds familliar ^^^^

lol nah, he's like a Lamar Odom type player. If you watch his highlights against a good team like Baylor you'd see what i mean. A lot of people are paying attention to the big numbers the other prospects are putting up against weak teams. However, what we really need to watch is how guys perform on the marquee saturday afternoon matchups against tourney bound teams. He put up 25 pts, 8 rebounds, was 2/2 from the 3pt line, and had two blocks. not to mention he led his team back from a large deficit to win the game on the road. It's those traits we need to look for. For me it's either him or Drummond. I'm not opposed to trading Bargnani to a top 5 lottery team in order to have a chance in getting Jones III and Drummond. Can you imagine this?

SG- Derozan
SF- Jones III
PF-Drummond
C-Valanciunus

That's a killer string of players who would take us to the next level for sure after a few years of development.

kingz32 · Post #1451 » by **kingz32** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:20 am

S.W.A.N wrote:
Steely Reserve wrote:
kingz32 wrote:Perry Jones is looking more and more like the wing player/interchangeable PF we need. He had a hell of a game today at BYU. He dropped 28 points on 11/16 FG shooting, he was 2/2 from the 3-pt line, 8 rebounds, 4 asts, and 3 steals. All of this in 33 minutes in one of the toughest places to play in the country.

This guy does everything. Give him more credit.

Perry could average 31/9/4/2 and people wouldn't care because they'd say he doesn't average enough rebounds.

But let Anthony Davis put up 9/13/4 and this place would go crazy. Same thing happened with Barnes last year.

Perry Jones III is the #1 prospect in this draft, It has always been that way.

Perhaps you fail to realize you are dealing with a more sophisticated group of fans here that realize there is more to basketball than ppg. The fact that Perry Jones doesn't have great rebounding or defense for a guy his size does not escape our attention.

Perry Jones is a talent and could well be in the running for first pick by time season is over, but he has to do more than just score for that to happen. Last night he was the man... now just gotta do it for full season

Since when did mentioning how much points a star player scored in a game become a sin? Why discount him because he doesn't grab 10 rebounds and 2 blocks every game at the collegiate level. Basketball is a team game and one thing our team lacks is a scoring threat on the wing that has the length and ability to guard other players. At the NBA level he's perfect for that. Defense wins games, and your correct in that regard, but his defense is not atrocious to the point in which he should be ruled out as a top prospect. A guy like Anthony Davis has the defense you speak of but he is not by any stretch an offensive threat. We should be looking for the most balanced player possible and as of now that is Perry Jones in my honest opinion. I respect Davis's game but I'm not sold on his physique or his ability to seriously guard NBA players.

Post #1452 » by **DG88** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:37 am

Imo I think MKG is going to be our guy. I'm pretty sure he reminds BC of Shawn Marion. MKG really does fit our style of play. I would have had concerns if DD'd 3 point shooting was none existent but so far it looks good. MKG is a decent spot up shooter, handles the ball real well, plays elite defense, and rebounds at a high rate. He'd have an immediate impact on our team.

strudel forever · Post #1453 » by **strudel forever** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:39 am

kingz32 wrote:
lol nah, he's like a Lamar Odom type player. If you watch his highlights against a good team like Baylor you'd see what i mean. A lot of people are paying attention to the big numbers the other prospects are putting up against weak teams. However, what we really need to watch is how guys perform on the marquee saturday afternoon matchups against tourney bound teams. He put up 25 pts, 8 rebounds, was 2/2 from the 3pt line, and had two blocks. not to mention he led his team back from a large deficit to win the game on the road. It's those traits we need to look for. For me it's either him or Drummond. I'm not opposed to trading Bargnani to a top 5 lottery team in order to have a chance in getting Jones III and Drummond. Can you imagine this?

SG- Derozan
SF- Jones III
PF-Drummond
C-Valanciunus

That's a killer string of players who would take us to the next level for sure after a few years of development.

Unless said team is going to include their worst contract in the trade, there is zero chance of obtaining a top 5 lottery pick for Bargnani. In fact, no team in their right mind would trade any 2012 lottery pick for our big softy.

mathgeek · Post #1454 » by **mathgeek** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:07 am

Since when did mentioning how much points a star player scored in a game become a sin? Why discount him because he doesn't grab 10 rebounds and 2 blocks every game at the collegiate level. Basketball is a team game and one thing our team lacks is a scoring threat on the wing that has the length and ability to guard other players. At the NBA level he's perfect for that. Defense wins games, and your correct in that regard, but his defense is not atrocious to the point in which he should be ruled out as a top prospect. A guy like Anthony Davis has the defense you speak of but he is not by any stretch an offensive threat. We should be looking for the most balanced player possible and as of now that is Perry Jones in my honest opinion. I respect Davis's game but I'm not sold on his physique or his ability to seriously guard NBA players.

Thank you couldn't have said it better. We need an offensive player more than anything. We have all the hustle/energy guys you need. We need someone that can carry the load offensively. Plus the reason Anthony Davis has been great on defense is because of his length. Davis is a finesse player, usually they aren't amazing defenders when they get to the league. Not saying that Davis is atrocious on offense either but as of right now I would rather take PJ3 if he can play SF.

kingz32 · Post #1455 » by **kingz32** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:31 am

mathgeek wrote:
Since when did mentioning how much points a star player scored in a game become a sin? Why discount him because he doesn't grab 10 rebounds and 2 blocks every game at the collegiate level. Basketball is a team game and one thing our team lacks is a scoring threat on the wing that has the length and ability to guard other players. At the NBA level he's perfect for that. Defense wins games, and your correct in that regard, but his defense is not atrocious to the point in which he should be ruled out as a top prospect. A guy like Anthony Davis has the defense you speak of but he is not by any stretch an offensive threat. We should be looking for the most balanced player possible and as of now that is Perry Jones in my honest opinion. I respect Davis's game but I'm not sold on his physique or his ability to seriously guard NBA players.

Thank you couldn't have said it better. We need an offensive player more than anything. We have all the hustle/energy guys you need. We need someone that can carry the load offensively. Plus the reason Anthony Davis has been great on defense is because of his length. Davis is a finesse player, usually they aren't amazing defenders when they get to the league. Not saying that Davis is atrocious on offense either but as of right now I would rather take PJ3 if he can play SF.

He can definitely play SF, he just has to play bigger than he'd like to for the sake of Baylor and he's doing a good job at that. That shows us that he's versatile and gives an inside out threat because he can shoot from the perimeter and work around the basket if he needs to.

Post #1456 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:00 am

PJ3 has used a shake/hook move on the right block a couple times that looks like it would work against anybody. Getting position in the NBA is a different story but it looks like he can score from anywhere.

He may just be able to play both 3 and 4 equally well, hopefully well enough on defence, but maybe you stick him at 3 if he's not going to rebound anyway. Here, I think he'd be "guarding a yard" on one low side in the eventual zone so he'd have to be able to guard both forward positions anyway. If he's a tweener, there are worse defensive schemes for him.

kingz32 · Post #1457 » by **kingz32** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:05 am

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:PJ3 has used a shake/hook move on the right block a couple times that looks like it would work against anybody. Getting position in the NBA is a different story but it looks like he can score from anywhere.

He may just be able to play both 3 and 4 equally well, hopefully well enough on defence, but maybe you stick him at 3 if he's not going to rebound anyway. Here, I think he'd be "guarding a yard" on one low side in the eventual zone so he'd have to be able to guard both forward positions anyway. If he's a tweener, there are worse defensive schemes for him.

Would you co-sign him as our pick? If not who would you favour over him?

Post #1458 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:09 am

kingz32 wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:PJ3 has used a shake/hook move on the right block a couple times that looks like it would work against anybody. Getting position in the NBA is a different story but it looks like he can score from anywhere.

He may just be able to play both 3 and 4 equally well, hopefully well enough on defence, but maybe you stick him at 3 if he's not going to rebound anyway. Here, I think he'd be "guarding a yard" on one low side in the eventual zone so he'd have to be able to guard both forward positions anyway. If he's a tweener, there are worse defensive schemes for him.

Would you co-sign him as our pick? If not who would you favour over him?

I'm still thinking the ADs, Lamb and PJ3 are above the rest but no clear order yet.

DreamTeam09 · Post #1459 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:15 am

PJ3 / Barnes / Lamb to me are the safest pick with still a high enough ceiling. I am also under the thought that PJ3 can play the 3 for us and in the nba. I give him the edge over anybody because at like 6'10-6'11 on the wings, its a problem.

fredericklove · Post #1460 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:49 am

DG88 wrote:Imo I think MKG is going to be our guy. I'm pretty sure he reminds BC of Shawn Marion. MKG really does fit our style of play. I would have had concerns if DD'd 3 point shooting was none existent but so far it looks good. MKG is a decent spot up shooter, handles the ball real well, plays elite defense, and rebounds at a high rate. He'd have an immediate impact on our team.

I bold these because those things are exactly what I have in mind. You and I think alike bro. His style of play fits our style of play, BC loves a versatile wing, check! Casey loves guys that play defense, check! Demar can knock down 3s, no need for a 3 point shooting wing but rather need someone who does abit of everything well, check! I see Gerald Wallace in him. A better comparison than Iggy.

Heck, also trade one of our assets for Kabongo to run our team (BC's version of Steve Nash, minus the offensive skills but defensive upgrade and flashy guard who can dribble drive and dish).

MKG + Kabongo = the end of BC and Casey's building plan.

Who do you want the Raptors to draft in the 2012 NBA Draft?