Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[RocLaFamilia]

How are the PG's in this draft? From what you guys are saying its a Forward heavy draft

[wtfbosh]

How are the PG's in this draft? From what you guys are saying its a Forward heavy draft

The PG class this year's probably gonna be:
Austin Rivers (if he can ever learn to pass and transition to PG)
Kendall Marshall
Marquis Teague
Tu Holloway
Tyshawn Taylor

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Yup, glad I never jumped off the Barnes bandwagon, the kid has the highest floor of any prospect in the top 5.

I'd rank his floor higher than I would rank him on his potential. But I don't think you look at a top 5, let alone a top 3 pick that way and the Raps as a franchise need to get a guy who can potentially dominate at one end and do something at the other. It's not like we need to appease anybody on the roster or add the final piece.

Barnes is still a 6-10 pick to me, because, I agree his floor is high. Looks to be 2-way pure SF with range, a starter.

[Basketball_Jones]

Should be fun watching Demar and Barnes dribbling in the same spot and passing the ball off/forcing a tough shot because of their weak ball handling. Should be a good combination.

[nahom1319]

After watching last night's game I say come hell or high water we need to draft Drummond and pray to God he pans out. He's the guy we need that can affect both ends of the court he just needs time and lots of development. I think he Demar and jonas with Bargs as a 6th man could work.

[Undefeated]

Some dude name Erik Etherly just had a nasty dunk down middle over Anthony Davis lol

[So Clutch]

I think at this point, I'm taking Drummond if he gives us any excuse to.

[S.W.A.N]

I think the comparisons of MKG to Pippen need to chill out a tad cuz I think people misunderstanding the comparison. He's getting that because he's an excellent defender that can still score relatively well unlike say a Tony Allen. BUT let's not forget (for those old enough) that Scottie was much longer, quicker and easily a better athlete...that all makes a big difference.

Still like the guy (definitely over Barnes) but I think he needs to be kept in perspective.

Which is why he is compared to him rather then declared better then him.... comparisons are just for fun bro

LOL I know...despite the rumor; internet is not serious business.

Its just if your read through this thread there is some perspective needed as some are saying if he's like 4cottie "well he was one of the top 50 all-time" and "Scottie lead the Bulls to 55 wins"....and yes Pippen did do those things but let's not build up MKG there cuz with most comparisons ppl either think player is or can be at that level --- I'm sorry to say so definitely but Gilchrist will not be the next Pippen for the reasons I stated. Doesn't mean he won't be a stud...cuz I think he may reach Iggy/Granger status but he just doesn't scream true elite to me; but I do love his desire to win.

Always said I would love him with a 2nd pick (ie/ for EDavis) and with his work ethic he's making me drool at that prospect more BUT our pick needs to be to at least attempt to find a franchise player. Loading the roster with a bunch of "solid" players equals Atlanta Hawks 2.0 (and I'll motherf*cking pass lol)

Who would you draft above kidd ?

[andyo]

Man, outside of Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond, this draft is lacking surefire talent thus far. I really think Barnes is highly overrated, he reminds me exactly of Marvin Williams. I have a hard time telling myself how he'll be good in this league with his suspect shot creation ability. And my standards are high because I really feel we need a star talent out of this draft- because that's exactly what we need on this team if we hope to be relevant any time soon.

[Lakonomy]

uhhh... Davis or Drummond? Would people here seriously take MKG over these two likely sure-fire picks?

I like MKG, and he fits well as our SF, but we need talent, at all positions. We can't pass on likely all-stars just to fill an SF need.

[RaptorReloaded]

I think it just goes to show that no matter where we pick we're going to get a player that we like.

[DreamTeam09]

Can we stop comparing harrison Barnes to Marvin Williams. Marvin didn't even start the 1yr he was at UNC. Granted he may had a buzz like Barnes coming outta HS but Barnes UNC career trumps Marvins 10x....

[Undefeated]

The Raptors would be crazy to pass up on Andre Drummond with the potential of an Amar'e Stoudemire with better ball handling and passing ability. His motor has been susceptible so far at UConn, but I think that's largely due to being the 4th wheel offensively. UConn's offense is revolved around their guard play with Lamb, Napier and Boatwright, so that leaves Drummond out with whatever is left. It's difficult to go hard night in and night out when you're left out of the offense.

[S.W.A.N]

uhhh... Davis or Drummond? Would people here seriously take MKG over these two likely sure-fire picks?

I like MKG, and he fits well as our SF, but we need talent, at all positions. We can't pass on likely all-stars just to fill an SF need.

I think for the most part everyone here considers Davis and Drummond the only two clear picks right now.

After that is where it gets hazy....

PJIII
MKG
HB
JL

If it comes down to positional need (assuming no clear bpa at our position) the choice becomes somewhat clear. SF (assuming no pg's are in lottery, that could change by end of season)

At SF you have 4 choices (Barnes, Kidd, Miller, Jones)

Barnes (16.8 4.8 0.9 1.0 0.4)
MKG (12.9 6.9 1.8 1.5 1.2)
Miller (10.8 5.3 2.8 0.7 1.1)
Jones (16.2 5.8 1.6 1.2 0.4)

Barnes is the an round guy, shooting great 3 point % this year and can post up small SF's but his numbers dip terribly as soon as he has to put the ball on the ground.

MKG is similar to Barnes, does everything but maybe a little higher motor. Is a defensive stud with solid offense

Miller has offensive talent for sure, but how healthy is he ? How much athleticism will regain.

Jones is a great scorer, can he be assertive enough to be the superstar his body says he should be? and what position does he play at next level. 3-4 tweener who may have to play the 4 at next position. At which point his rebounding and toughness are a question mark.

All 4 could be very very good. Right now I give the nod to kidd because it sounds like he is clearly the best defender in this group and provides similar offensive output with a high motor.

So

A. Davis
A. Drummond
M. kidd-Gilchrist

the rest... PJIII and lamb are two guys that I can see changing this as the season goes on but for now I really have a hard time putting anyone other than the AD's above Kidd

[andyo]

Can we stop comparing harrison Barnes to Marvin Williams. Marvin didn't even start the 1yr he was at UNC. Granted he may had a buzz like Barnes coming outta HS but Barnes UNC career trumps Marvins 10x....

Not comparing his college legacy or anything, just his skill-set and that's most important when we're looking at how players translate over. I just don't think he has the ability to create a shot at the college level sufficiently, and you don't see much star perimeter players in the NBA that lack that attribute. If we're strictly talking about wanting a high upside player in this draft with star potential moving forward, I just don't think he's the right pick. Maybe he'll prove me wrong down the line.

I'd also like to add that we need an SF next to Derozan that has the attribute, because Derozan is lacking in that regard too. Either that or a very good PG that can bridge the gap.

[CANsportsguru]

My draft order would be ...

1)Andre Drummond
2)Perry Jones
3)Harrison Barnes

If those 3 aren't on the board when we pick I'd look to trade the pick.

[Steely Reserve]

Davis can't make shot outside 6 feet against players he's three inches taller than. How long you all going to ignore this fact?

I know its cool to watch players with little skill dominate players they're far bigger than, but that doesnt translate at the next level, particularly in Davis case. The guy is rail thin and i question if he can guard his man an elite level level in the NBA. He's soft at the point of attack defensively. He's seems to struggle holding his position when guys get physical with him. His biggest strength is his help-D but I need to see more skill from him before I'm sold. The fact many of you act this guy is a sure-fire building piece is distrubing.

What games are you watching?

[Steely Reserve]

I think for your team, MKG is the piece at the moment, even over Drummond. Val is a Center, no need drafting Drummond to pass on Gilchrist. MKG gives you ball-handling and playmaking ability from the wing that will nicely mesh with Valanciunas in the middle.

[DreamTeam09]

Can we stop comparing harrison Barnes to Marvin Williams. Marvin didn't even start the 1yr he was at UNC. Granted he may had a buzz like Barnes coming outta HS but Barnes UNC career trumps Marvins 10x....

Not comparing his college legacy or anything, just his skill-set and that's most important when we're looking at how players translate over. I just don't think he has the ability to create a shot at the college level sufficiently, and you don't see much star perimeter players in the NBA that lack that attribute. If we're strictly talking about wanting a high upside player in this draft with star potential moving forward, I just don't think he's the right pick. Maybe he'll prove me wrong down the line.

I'd also like to add that we need an SF next to Derozan that has the attribute, because Derozan is lacking in that regard too. Either that or a very good PG that can bridge the gap.

We've seen Barnes go for 40, we've seen him put up 20 & 10s, Marvin never did none of those things. What are ya'all looking 4 in Barnes that would say he has star potential then??? I think i've already seen it, bringing it on a consistantl level is something that falls on everyones shoulders tho like teammates/coaching/himself....

[Undefeated]

PJIII and lamb are two guys that I can see changing this as the season goes on but for now I really have a hard time putting anyone other than the AD's above Kidd

I'd put Perry Jones III above Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and my top two guys are Kidd-Gilchrist and Quincy Miller. You can't ignore it, PJ III has been killing it offensively lately. He seems like he can be a go-to-scorer who can carry the offense with his inside-outside scoring and playmaking that the Raptors need.