2011

IronChef · Post #1261 » by **IronChef** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:42 pm

RvP should have had a second too. Somehow the ref booked him for diving when he was taken out, though.

MaliBrah · Post #1262 » by **MaliBrah** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:26 pm

sturrrrridgggggeeee..... comon chelsea .. beat the damn spurs

Post #1263 » by **5DOM** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:57 pm

AVB must really regret sidelining Alex. Bosingwa at CB lol

Post #1264 » by **5DOM** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:59 pm

#thfc 1 #cfc 1 ht. Loads of chants, mainly at Terry. Chelsea fans' riposte to Spurs: "you stupid b******s, you burned your own town' #riots

lol

Post #1265 » by **5DOM** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:21 pm

Paulo > World's greatest

Could have won but 1-1 seems fair. JT responded well

Post #1266 » by **Slava** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:29 am

Dalglish has called for the introduction of guidelines advising clubs on what language is and is not acceptable. "It would be helpful to everyone if someone gave us some guidelines about what you can and cannot say," he said.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... te?cc=4716

How about not calling someone the N word for starters? Dalglish behavior throughout this episode has been thoroughly despicable.

Post #1267 » by **5DOM** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:28 pm

Haven't been following the case closely, but is it now known what Suarez said to Evra?

Post #1268 » by **Slava** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:10 pm

He called him a negrito, which is equivalent of the N word in his native language. Liverpool are playing the "cultural differences" card. Apparently the N word is a pretty common slang for black people in Uruguay.

J-Mezzy · Post #1269 » by **J-Mezzy** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:09 pm

SlavaMedvedenko wrote:He called him a negrito, which is equivalent of the N word in his native language. Liverpool are playing the "cultural differences" card. Apparently the N word is a pretty common slang for black people in Uruguay.

I gotto agree with Liverpool here. No black person in S. America gets offended to be called negrito unless it was ovbious that the other person was tryinbg to be funny. The word is nowhere near the N word. Negro is not the N word, negro means black. IN our culture, we add a ito to everything to add familiarity. Carlos becojmes Carlitos, perro becomes perrito, etc. My son is half hispanic half black and my entire family calls him negrito, they love the boy more than anything in the world so they are obviously not trying to offend him.

I'm not defending Suarez because I do not know what his intentions are. My guess would be that since Evra is neither his friend, or hispanic, he did try to be funny and use it as an insult. Anyways, I agree with the suspension. I just wanted to clear up that the word negrito is used 90% of the time with no harm and is nowhere near as offensive as the N word.

J-Mezzy · Post #1270 » by **J-Mezzy** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:33 pm

I'll also add that countries like Uruguay, Paraguay, and Argentina are known to be much more racist than the other countries in S. America like Brasil and Colombia where the black populations are at a high number.

Post #1271 » by **Slava** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:45 pm

Yeah but I'm sure you wouldn't do that to a black person in America right? Like any immigrant worker, its his job to know the culture of your workplace.

Suarez played at Ajax for quite a while and I'm sure negro is not a socially acceptable word in the Netherlands either.

J-Mezzy · Post #1272 » by **J-Mezzy** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:34 pm

SlavaMedvedenko wrote:Yeah but I'm sure you wouldn't do that to a black person in America right? Like any immigrant worker, its his job to know the culture of your workplace.

Suarez played at Ajax for quite a while and I'm sure negro is not a socially acceptable word in the Netherlands either.

Yeah, I wouldn't even go up to another hispanic and call him negro. You really have to know the person well to go up to them. No way I would call someone a negrito in the heat of a game. Especially someone from another country like you said. But in all reality, calling someone negro is no different from calling someone a black guy or saying someone is black. Imagine Dirk saying to Bosh in the heat of a game, get off me black guy. It would be an inappropiate comment to make and it would be worthy of a suspension, but it is still not as bad as using the N word. I don't even know if there is an actual word in Spanish for the N word.

MitchellUK · Post #1273 » by **MitchellUK** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:02 pm

It all came down to context for Suarez/Evra. "Negrito" is clearly a word with different meanings/interpretations depending on the setting. Referring to a friend in a bantering way as "negrito" is clearly not an issue (at least in many Spanish speaking nations), but using the word during a confrontation with a person who isn't your friend changes how it is going to be received.

Talking about it with a friend the other day, I likened it to how young men will use insults as terms of endearment - it's pretty commonplace for one guy to greet his friend with something along the lines of "Alright, knobhead". However, call someone a knobhead while you're arguing and it's abundantly clear you are insulting them.

Also, it's got to be said - even if negrito is a friendly, non-offensive, term-of-endearment word in Uruguay, Suarez' judgement in it's use has to be questioned. Why, while you are clearly arguing with someone, choose a word that makes reference to their ethnic origin, regardless of whether or not you intended to offend?

MitchellUK · Post #1274 » by **MitchellUK** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:10 pm

SlavaMedvedenko wrote:
Dalglish has called for the introduction of guidelines advising clubs on what language is and is not acceptable. "It would be helpful to everyone if someone gave us some guidelines about what you can and cannot say," he said.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... te?cc=4716

How about not calling someone the N word for starters? Dalglish behavior throughout this episode has been thoroughly despicable.

Yeah, I don't really understand Liverpool's stance on this. Surely the correct course of action in this situation would be to say something along the lines of:

"Luis Suarez maintains he meant no offence by his use of the word "negrito", however, he and Liverpool F.C accept that he made a misjudgement based on cultural differences. We understand why Patrice Evra was upset by Luis' choice of word, and accept the judgement of the independent committee. We do feel like 8 games in an excessive punishment, however, and will appeal to get the number of games reduced."

Support your player, but acknowledge that, intentional or not, what he did was wrong.

IronChef · Post #1275 » by **IronChef** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:28 pm

Well, class has never been a word I'd use to describe Kenny Dalglish. He was an irritating cheat as a player. Fairly similar to Suarez actually.

Post #1276 » by **Slava** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:37 pm

Just a quick twitter/facebook search of "Evra Negro" shows some shocking posts. There are middle aged men who should be teaching their kids racial equality pretty much bashing Evra for being black.

I really hope some of the firms that employ these ass hats do this search and fire them for racial intolerance.

Pretty shocking and disgraceful in this day and age coming from people in a multi-cultural nation.

treiz · Post #1277 » by **treiz** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:33 pm

We're playing so bad against Fulham, at least Torres looks decent, I'm not keeping my hopes up though.

Post #1278 » by **Slava** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:52 pm

Why are Chelsea absorbing so much pressure with Orlando sa playing as the lone striker for fulham?

treiz · Post #1279 » by **treiz** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:16 pm

^I honestly have no idea, we have 3 guys keeping an eye on Sa when we have the ball. I think AVB has completely abandoned the high line. This is the perfect game for it, as shown by United last week

treiz · Post #1280 » by **treiz** » Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:21 pm

Good sub, Lampard was playing poor and we get Mata on the middle, hopefully we can quicken up the tempo now.