Game #8 Bulls at Magic ...

magicman123 · Post #681 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:44 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Anyone watch Stan's postgame? He said for the last 3 years, the Magic have always had a starter that didn't need a shot to be productive and they don't think they have that guy now. He says they're going to think about making a change to the rotation to bring a new starter in from the bench and mentioned Davis. Ryan may lose his starting position in the coming days/weeks.

not surprising

Neato · Post #682 » by **Neato** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:46 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Anyone watch Stan's postgame? He said for the last 3 years, the Magic have always had a starter that didn't need a shot to be productive and they don't think they have that guy now. He says they're going to think about making a change to the rotation to bring a new starter in from the bench and mentioned Davis. Ryan may lose his starting position in the coming days/weeks.

that surprises me only because i always see stan being pissed off at davis. i really hope he's thinking about jj instead.

rcklsscognition · Post #683 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:46 pm

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogal ... Bulls#gl-2

Here's the link to the vid.

rcklsscognition · Post #684 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:50 pm

validity wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Anyone watch Stan's postgame? He said for the last 3 years, the Magic have always had a starter that didn't need a shot to be productive and they don't think they have that guy now. He says they're going to think about making a change to the rotation to bring a new starter in from the bench and mentioned Davis. Ryan may lose his starting position in the coming days/weeks.

that surprises me only because i always see stan being pissed off at davis. i really hope he's thinking about jj instead.

Well, Stan is consistently angry publicly with one player, that's Ryan. He recently brought up Davis, but after last night, he seems happier with Davis so long as he plays like Stan wants, which he did vs. Chicago.

Stan says he wants a player that doesn't need to score to start, that wouldn't be JJ. He wants to move a bench player that doesn't need to score to be effective, I think the candidates would be Duhon, Davis, or Q-Rich. Stan does mention specifically Duhon and Davis in the video. Either more minutes, or possibly switching them to starter.

magicman123 · Post #685 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:55 pm

stan is right though, besides dwight we have no other starters that will do the dirty work, get down on the floor and not worry about their stats..we need a grinder in the lineup

Neato · Post #686 » by **Neato** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 7:57 pm

yeah i just watched the video, and stan had some good words about davis.

re: jj - i only mention him because he would replace jrich, who is completely characteristic of an ineffective player when not scoring. i mean, he can't even make passes into the post. he also can't defend and is constantly beaten to loose balls.

i don't know about you, but i think redick makes some smart decisions independent of his scoring.

Phantom418 · Post #687 » by **Phantom418** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 8:01 pm

validity wrote:yeah i just watched the video, and stan had some good words about davis.

re: jj - i only mention him because he would replace jrich, who is completely characteristic of an ineffective player when not scoring. i mean, he can't even make passes into the post. he also can't defend and is constantly beaten to loose balls.

i don't know about you, but i think redick makes some smart decisions independent of his scoring.

I would rather move Redick in the SL over J-Rich. Plays smarter in all aspects of the game and promotes better ball movement. Hell at least he doesn't bite for every single pump fake in the world and can make an entry pass without being lazy with it.

magicman123 · Post #688 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 8:01 pm

duhon
redick
Q
davis
howard

greatest bench ever

meer
jrich
hedo
anderson
stuff

rcklsscognition · Post #689 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 8:07 pm

If you move Redick to the SL you have to move Turk to the bench. JJ/Duhon move the ball on the 2nd unit.

I could see magicman123's lineup working, with Hedo maybe playing a little on both units. The problem is that we'd need Davis on both units, as the PF in the 1st and C in the 2nd unit. If we had a backup C we could run in the 2nd unit this would be a great option.

Neato · Post #690 » by **Neato** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 8:09 pm

Phantom418 wrote:
validity wrote:yeah i just watched the video, and stan had some good words about davis.

re: jj - i only mention him because he would replace jrich, who is completely characteristic of an ineffective player when not scoring. i mean, he can't even make passes into the post. he also can't defend and is constantly beaten to loose balls.

i don't know about you, but i think redick makes some smart decisions independent of his scoring.

I would rather move Redick in the SL over J-Rich. Plays smarter in all aspects of the game and promotes better ball movement. Hell at least he doesn't bite for every single pump fake in the world and can make an entry pass without being lazy with it.

yeah, it amazes me sometimes how uncoordinated jrich has become. or maybe he has always been this way; i don't know, since i didn't pay much attention to him earlier in his career. i just assumed he was super athletic when he was younger, perhaps due to the slam dunk champion stereotype (sounds weird saying that).

Melmatrix · Post #691 » by **Melmatrix** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 10:54 pm

Big baby won't start over Ryno he been Said that we need him to backup Dwight so it might b j rich or Nelson to the pine

Post #692 » by **Bensational** » Sat Jan 7, 2012 11:42 pm

Davis needs shots though. the guy is constantly taking shots out of the flow of the offense, so dropping our best scorer outside of Dwight for him is shortsighted.

JRich is the biggest weakness on this team, as he's currently playing. defensive liability and his offence is just sloppy. put JJ in.

Duhon doesn't need a shot because he's hard pressed focusing on not screwing up.

we need to trade for the guy Stan is talking about. it's times like this i miss Barnes.

j_n · Post #693 » by **j_n** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 12:11 am

I wouldnt mind having Q rich as a starter, he is as close as we got to a defensive stopper, doesnt need shots and spreads the floor.
Redick should also be a starter becasue he needs to get more mintues anyway.

Havin a rotation of:

jameer/duhon
redick/j rich
q rich/hedo
anderson/davis
howard/davis

would mean that we always have a ball handler on the floor and j rich and hedo might do better against other teams' second unit.
Jameer also seem to do a better job of getting everyone involved when hedo is not on the court so bringing hedo off the bench could have a lot of benefits.

rcklsscognition · Post #694 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 12:11 am

Bensational wrote:Davis needs shots though. the guy is constantly taking shots out of the flow of the offense, so dropping our best scorer outside of Dwight for him is shortsighted.

JRich is the biggest weakness on this team, as he's currently playing. defensive liability and his offence is just sloppy. put JJ in.

Duhon doesn't need a shot because he's hard pressed focusing on not screwing up.

we need to trade for the guy Stan is talking about. it's times like this i miss Barnes.

Stan doesn't want Davis taking a bunch of shots though, and he's said so publicly on a few occasions.

The real solution is a backup C so Davis can start, be the guy who sets screens and rebounds and takes the occasional jumper and/or drives to the lane. Then we bring Jameer/JJ/Anderson off the bench.

thelead · Post #695 » by **thelead** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 12:13 am

j_n wrote:I wouldnt mind having Q rich as a starter, he is as close as we got to a defensive stopper, doesnt need shots and spreads the floor.
Redick should also be a starter becasue he needs to get more mintues anyway.

Havin a rotation of:

jameer/duhon
redick/j rich
q rich/hedo
anderson/davis
howard/davis

would mean that we always have a ball handler on the floor and j rich and hedo might do better against other teams' second unit.
Jameer also seem to do a better job of getting everyone involved when hedo is not on the court so bringing hedo off the bench could have a lot of benefits.

Hedo is playing WAY better than Nelson. We would be better off starting Duhon for D and leaving Hedo to run the offense.

SolidSnake008 · Post #696 » by **SolidSnake008** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:19 am

I don't think Stan is talking about Ryan...it wouldn't make any sense to me...Baby had a decent defensive game only recently and offensively he's shite....Stan being a stat man is going to take out the second best player on the roster out of the Starting Lineup? i don't know if that's a smart move....Now Anderson had a bad game against Chicago but what about the other good games? People tend to forget that he was the only one that showed up against OKC....1 unusually uncharacteristic game and he's out? I don't know about that....Much rather have J-Rich and to a much lesser extent Nelson out of the Starting Lineup

magicman123 · Post #697 » by **magicman123** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:22 am

of course hes talking about anderson, hes criticized him almost every other game, its more than just taking shots, but id rather have jj start over jrich

Post #698 » by **Bensational** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:29 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
Bensational wrote:Davis needs shots though. the guy is constantly taking shots out of the flow of the offense, so dropping our best scorer outside of Dwight for him is shortsighted.

JRich is the biggest weakness on this team, as he's currently playing. defensive liability and his offence is just sloppy. put JJ in.

Duhon doesn't need a shot because he's hard pressed focusing on not screwing up.

we need to trade for the guy Stan is talking about. it's times like this i miss Barnes.

Stan doesn't want Davis taking a bunch of shots though, and he's said so publicly on a few occasions.

The real solution is a backup C so Davis can start, be the guy who sets screens and rebounds and takes the occasional jumper and/or drives to the lane. Then we bring Jameer/JJ/Anderson off the bench.

Stan can say it all he likes, but the fact is that Davis will look for his shots. he might go a few games where he plays team ball, but the guy's ego is too big not to take shots.

rcklsscognition · Post #699 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:34 am

Stan is definitely talking about Ryan, no doubt about that. The question lies in is Davis the guy to replace him and bring what Stan wants (hence Stan's recent public comments about what he wants from Davis) and even if he is, does our lack of depth at center basically force Stan to start Ryan no matter what?

SolidSnake008 · Post #700 » by **SolidSnake008** » Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:50 am

I just think going back to last year when we flamed out in the playoffs is that our defense wasn't the problem....we just couldn't score....what's the problem this year? When teams decide to stay home on the shooters we have trouble scoring...Sounds a lot like the problems we had last year....Does Davis help that? Not at all...sure he's quite a bit better defensively than Ryan but it's not going to help us in the long run imo....With Davis Starting i see the same Spacing issues defensive mismatches that plagued us last season....Either way i don't know what stan is going to do....but i think it's weird that Stan has been going on and on about how bad Ryan is when we have J-Rich and Nelson on the roster who has been obviously struggling

Ryan certainly needs to be better on the defensive end no doubt to that but is it worth it screwing up the offensive flow? It's just better when Dwight is posting up to kick it out to Ryan who has range than Baby who's range stops around the Free throw line...IDK