Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[Rapsfan07]

Question?
If the Raptors would be lucky enough to get 1st either Davis or Drummond.
Would you trade it for NO 2 1sts?
Both should be in the 4 to 10 range?

That's tough... Really really tempting.

I think I'd counteroffer Bargnani + filler for No. 10 or something if New Orleans is serious about moving a pick.

Question?
If the Raptors would be lucky enough to get 1st either Davis or Drummond.
Would you trade it for NO 2 1sts?
Both should be in the 4 to 10 range?

I don't think BC would want 4 rookies (if we keep our 2nd rd'r) on the team next season.

Well then I guess he better do something with that second rounder because when you're a bottom 5 team in the NBA, that is a horrid excuse at not attempting to acquire all the talent you can. If the draft is strong, a smart GM would go all in trying to acquire the talent. We desperately need it and if he hates rebuilding as much as he says he does then why not draft all the talent you can and cultivate it? Because drafts like these are rare. Pritchard did it with the Blazers and had it not been for injuries, that team would have at least one championship by now.

That's a very poor excuse for BC to use.

[fredericklove]

I get so hyped about him and then I see that knee injury come back at times through his lack of explosiveness. I think I need him to just hoopmixtape someone this season for me to be content.

He'll prolly get to do all those hoopmixtape moves next year if he decides to stay. Then he can just do whatever he wants with the offensive freedom he gets in absence of PJ3. Right now he won't get to do all those cos if he does that he'll get pull to the bench otherwise, i don't think he can pull off any hoopmixtape moves without getting called for carrying, double-dribble or palming.

isaiah austin says no

At least Austin is a center and prolly plays most in the paint, I always felt PJ3 and Qmiller play the same brand of basketball, their game don't compliment each other but next year not having PJ3 in the lineup will free up more space for Qmiller thus giving him more touches like he did prior to PJ3's arrival to the team, Qmiller avg 17 pts prior to that. This guy starts to pick up more on what not to do, all those hoopmixtape handles aren't allowed so he definitely needs to improve his handle offseason and come back and be the primary playmaker and scorer. Another obstacle to Qmiller's game is that chucker Jackson guy. Both Dunn and Jackson demand the ball so much that PJ3 and Qmiller don't get enough touches. I hope to see that midget gone by next year. Who knows? If Qmiller is what he's going to be advertised next baylor seaon and we end up drafting Davis this draft. Then I won't mind getting a shot at Qmiller in 2013 draft.

[fredericklove]

Not sure why you're so high on Leonard.

Not sure why he praises him either, Leonard at best is a 8-15th in this year's draft. To me he looks like an athletic version of Zeller.

Question?
If the Raptors would be lucky enough to get 1st either Davis or Drummond.
Would you trade it for NO 2 1sts?
Both should be in the 4 to 10 range?

I'd trade it in a blink of a second if you say both are in the 4 to 10 range. Because Barnes/MKG and Beal would be an incredible upgrade at the 2 and 3 spot. Lamb is unlikely in that range cos I personally think he'll be drafted 3rd in this draft.

Val
Bargnani
Barnes/MKG
Beal
PG (free agent)

that's a freaking awesome lineup.

And I doubt NO will trade both picks for 1st pick. A sullinger and barnes/MKG combo would be an instant upgrade for their team.

[Leolovinliberal]

Question?
If the Raptors would be lucky enough to get 1st either Davis or Drummond.
Would you trade it for NO 2 1sts?
Both should be in the 4 to 10 range?

Yes, but NO wouldn't. The talent is too close.

[JamesNaismith]

While I'm not sure KG/Duncan is an accurate comparison I still think Davis is far more capable offensively then what he's been able to showcase in UK. Yes his shot-making is reminiscent of Camby but so is Henson's. At the same time I've never seen Camby or Henson stroke 3pts and other jumpers like Davis....granted it is highschool but nonetheless I haven't seen it and the frequency, fluidity and the fact he was a PG before leads me to believe he has more skills then what he's shown and that's a stud of draft pick. I'm guessing he atleast has the range of someone like Bosh but much, much better defence.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OSxB2HZAKE[/youtube]

I know everyone's seen it but I don't even see summer league games of most PFs looking as good.

[Rapsfan07]

At least Austin is a center and prolly plays most in the paint, I always felt PJ3 and Qmiller play the same brand of basketball, their game don't compliment each other but next year not having PJ3 in the lineup will free up more space for Qmiller thus giving him more touches like he did prior to PJ3's arrival to the team, Qmiller avg 17 pts prior to that. This guy starts to pick up more on what not to do, all those hoopmixtape handles aren't allowed so he definitely needs to improve his handle offseason and come back and be the primary playmaker and scorer. Another obstacle to Qmiller's game is that chucker Jackson guy. Both Dunn and Jackson demand the ball so much that PJ3 and Qmiller don't get enough touches. I hope to see that midget gone by next year. Who knows? If Qmiller is what he's going to be advertised next baylor seaon and we end up drafting Davis this draft. Then I won't mind getting a shot at Qmiller in 2013 draft.

I agree with a lot of you're saying. There are a lot of obstacles preventing Q. Mill from really showing out. Jackson and PJ3's namely. Sure he needs to upgrade his handling a bit since he can't get away with all that but it's there. Baylor doesn't use him properly at all. He doesn't get a chance to make a play or take his man one-on-one from the perimeter.

THIS is why we need to hope he declares and pick him up while his value his low. Everyone else is getting caught up in the hype of MKG/Barnes/Leonard etc. so he is flying under the radar due to his current performances at Baylor. If we wait until 2013, he will probably be out of our range as a) he would have healed b) he would have improved and c) we would have improved and likely not in his draft range. The time has to be now.

Tank hard and go for a Top 2 pick and trade down if necessary. Move Bargnani or Ed for a second pick if necessary but I think he's the SF on the board. If he declares, we gotta get him.

[fredericklove]

If we drafted MKG, win the off-season prize from the RFA market and end up having this lineup.

Val
Bargnani
MKG
DD
Westbrook

What will be the strength and weakness of this lineup?
Will it be a 2nd round playoff team contender?

[JamesNaismith]

If we drafted MKG, win the off-season prize from the RFA market and end up having this lineup.

Val
Bargnani
MKG
DD
Westbrook

What will be the strength and weakness of this lineup?
Will it be a 2nd round playoff team contender?

Too tired to do an indepth analysis but a major problem is no one can shoot but Bargnani.


Also since Westbrook creates a lot of his own offence off the dribble it doesn't really help DeMar or MKG since he won't be looking to kick out to 2 guys who aren't great shooters, that also means defences can clog the paint and RW won't score as well meanwhile not sharing well with those 2 -- sounds like a pretty bad combo imo. Not to mention Russell isn't that great off the PNR or Ibaka would be killing it by now (for Val). Obviously it goes with out saying that Barnes would be a much better fit next to a guy like RW but....

The team would be a little more balanced as there would be a 3 solid defenders in the starting line up but not to the point that it makes up for the major offensive defecencies.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If we drafted MKG, win the off-season prize from the RFA market and end up having this lineup.

Val
Bargnani
MKG
DD
Westbrook

What will be the strength and weakness of this lineup?
Will it be a 2nd round playoff team contender?

A swingman that can shoot.
Defensively, thos 3 will hide bargs and DD quite well.

[nelabai]

Question?
If the Raptors would be lucky enough to get 1st either Davis or Drummond.
Would you trade it for NO 2 1sts?
Both should be in the 4 to 10 range?

Depends where Leonard and MKG/Barnes go. I'd take Leonard and Barnes/MKG over Davis. I'd do Leonard and Q Miller over Drummond. I'd take A Davis over Leonard and Q Miller. I wouldn't consider a draft not including one of Davis, Drummond, or Leonard

Are you serious? You take Leonard in this strong draft, where there are plenty star players in progress?

Val dominated s*** out of Leonard this summer:

Val 30pts/15reb/4blk
Leonard 3pts/3reb/1blk

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p ... istic.html

[MikeM]

Yes, Val does **** on Leonard.

[Waylon Mercy]

Who's the best scorer in this draft?

[sunny]

At least Austin is a center and prolly plays most in the paint, I always felt PJ3 and Qmiller play the same brand of basketball, their game don't compliment each other but next year not having PJ3 in the lineup will free up more space for Qmiller thus giving him more touches like he did prior to PJ3's arrival to the team, Qmiller avg 17 pts prior to that. This guy starts to pick up more on what not to do, all those hoopmixtape handles aren't allowed so he definitely needs to improve his handle offseason and come back and be the primary playmaker and scorer. Another obstacle to Qmiller's game is that chucker Jackson guy. Both Dunn and Jackson demand the ball so much that PJ3 and Qmiller don't get enough touches. I hope to see that midget gone by next year. Who knows? If Qmiller is what he's going to be advertised next baylor seaon and we end up drafting Davis this draft. Then I won't mind getting a shot at Qmiller in 2013 draft.[/quote]

Austin models his game after andrea bargnani. Not really a centre IMO

[3Si]

Q sucks. If he can't even defend in NCAA, he's not going to survive in NBA. A poor man's Dmiles. Actually forget that, Dmiles was half decent on defence. How about... Vince with half his strength.

[JN]

I iove how Pierre Jackson gets bashed - the purpose of the coach is to play his best players, and win games, NOT to get the ball as much as possible to NBA prospect.

He is averaging 12 points a game in 27 minutes on extremely high efficiency (shooting 51% overall, 48% on three pointers_ That's not ridiculous chucking. Also has 5 assists a game which is good at the NCAA level. Also plays good defence. He was the JC player of the year last year. While not a great NBA prospect he is a very good NCAA player. He has been huge in Baylor's undefeated season to date.

Jackson and Drew's goal is to help the team win, not to appease the circle jerking prospect fans.

[7-Day Dray]

I iove how Pierre Jackson gets bashed - the purpose of the coach is to play his best players, and win games, NOT to get the ball as much as possible to NBA prospect.

He is averaging 12 points a game in 27 minutes on extremely high efficiency (shooting 51% overall, 48% on three pointers_ That's not ridiculous chucking. Also has 5 assists a game which is good at the NCAA level. Also plays good defence. He was the JC player of the year last year. While not a great NBA prospect he is a very good NCAA player. He has been huge in Baylor's undefeated season to date.

Jackson and Drew's goal is to help the team win, not to appease the circle jerking prospect fans.

Yep. Just because he's not passing it to your favorite NBA prospect all the time (Q. Mill, PJIII) doesn't mean he's a chucker or a ballhog. They're winning games, so I don't see what the problem is.

[CunningLinguist]

Anyone see Kidd-Gilchrist's jab step for the three-point shot near the end? Looked sick with the elevation. And who said he can't create off the dribble? I've seen MKG plenty of times using one-two effective dribbles with his massive strides to get to the lane and is very efficient with his two steps to get around and past his defender for the lay-in.

At this point, I'd be happy with any one of Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist or Quincy Miller. I'm still waiting for Josiah Turner to come out and ball. Really high on him.

If you're talking about the only 3 he hit, which was with 5 minutes left, that shot was not off the dribble. Go check the highlights on the ESPN site.

Believe me, I want nothing more than to see Gilchrist develop into a guy that can break down his man and shoot off the dribble, because he's very strong in other areas of the game. If he does develop those skills, I'll be the first to acknowledge it.

By the way, has anyone else noticed that he lands awkwardly when goes up for a dunk, much like Derozan?

[McFurious1]

Bradely Beal is growing on me he's going to be a big time player.

[Dr Positivity]

Question?
If the Raptors would be lucky enough to get 1st either Davis or Drummond.
Would you trade it for NO 2 1sts?
Both should be in the 4 to 10 range?

Depends where Leonard and MKG/Barnes go. I'd take Leonard and Barnes/MKG over Davis. I'd do Leonard and Q Miller over Drummond. I'd take A Davis over Leonard and Q Miller. I wouldn't consider a draft not including one of Davis, Drummond, or Leonard

Are you serious? You take Leonard in this strong draft, where there are plenty star players in progress?

Val dominated s*** out of Leonard this summer:

Val 30pts/15reb/4blk
Leonard 3pts/3reb/1blk

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p ... istic.html

Val played 38 minutes to Leonard's 13

Leonard's stats in the FIBA tournament

16.3 MP, 6.9ppg, 5.2rpg, 0.9apg, 1.5bpg, 63.4%, 71.4 FT. Per 36: 15.2ppg, 11.4rpg, 2.0apg, 3.3bpg

No doubt Val had a huge tournament but Leonard putting up a 15/11 with 3 blocks on Valanciunas esque mega efficiency is nothing to sneeze at whatsoever

[nahom1319]

Bradely Beal is growing on me he's going to be a big time player.

How did he manage that? Especially when he's not playing today .......

On a more serious note, I don't see him dominating offensively given his low usage in college. So maybe its something in games that has caused you to believe this, if so please share. I honestly haven't seen him play and his stats don't jump out at me so he hasn't been on my radar.