Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[fredericklove]

I don't know fellas, I think it's still to early for any of us to make a fair judgement but it just seems to me like we have a Fresh Prince situation and the entire Baylor offense is centered around the phrase "Pass it to Perry!"

And he doesnt want to be aggressive with that opportunity. I hope someone takes him in top 5 but certainly hope not from us. Hes doesnt have that competitive desire in him. Imagine PJ3 with MKGs mentality, that would be scary.

[Dr Positivity]

I really dont understand your hype with Leonard. In my limited viewing of him, I didn't see an elite body that screams potential but average athletic ability and mediocre foot work. I'm sure there is much more to him than that, but I really dont get any glimpses that he has what it takes to be a star centre.

Well for one, "hype" is a bit of a strong word. Right now I believe that by lottery day Leonard will be ranked as close to Davis and Drummond than the players below him, like the Horford of this draft. At the moment though all I'm saying is to consider him in the same group as Lamb, MKG, Barnes, etc., a group of good prospects but not incredible ones. People are treating Leonard like he's Tyler Zeller

Leonard's athleticism is quite good. He's not Drummond but for a 7 foot+ guy with strength, the guy moves well and can get up above the rim. He's about as athletic as Anthony Davis with more muscle at the moment

For me it's pretty simple, the guy is 7'0-7'1, athletic and has great hands/is showing the beginnings of a back with his back to the basket and from outside - and he blocks shots. That's a rare combination. Normally guys like Leonard get taken high for their physical tools, BEFORE they show anything offensively. Leonard is actually showing offensively. He can play with his back to the basket, has nice touch from 7 feet and in, and is hitting some outside shots. To me big men with Leonard's size, athleticism and skill should go top 5 in just about every draft. They're just too rare

I'm a bit different from a lot of people in that I don't care how good a player is in college. I think it can lead to massive mistakes. People lost their crap over Kemba Walker last year because he was a good college player. I didn't care whatsoever. He was a score first, low efficiency 5'10 PG. You don't spend top 5 draft picks on an asset that crappy. Likewise, Derrick Favors and Greg Monroe in their freshman years were just about the same scorer in ppg and %. But Monroe vs Favors in offensive talent has always been a ridiculous comparison if anyone made it. Monroe could simply do far more things.

Likewise Anthony Davis and Meyers Leonard are putting up very similar scoring numbers despite Leonard being in his soph year. From an NBA skills perspective I think Leonard is leagues above him. Davis is Tyson Chandler/Noah offensively right now. He's a clean up guy. Leonard is actually posting up, hitting hook shots all over the paint, is showing outside potential, etc. He's not a finished product but this guy has 18ppg+ potential to me. I believe Davis in general is overrated. I don't think people will be losing their crap over him if he doesn't get past 13 points a game in the NBA. At least not any more than people lose their crap over Andrew Bogut and Tyson Chandler and Marcus Camby. I think Davis is a C long term on that note too.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I don't know fellas, I think it's still to early for any of us to make a fair judgement but it just seems to me like we have a Fresh Prince situation and the entire Baylor offense is centered around the phrase "Pass it to Perry!"

And he doesnt want to be aggressive with that opportunity. I hope someone takes him in top 5 but certainly hope not from us. Hes doesnt have that competitive desire in him. Imagine PJ3 with MKGs mentality, that would be scary.

Definitely, but he's just another dime a dozen guy without that passion. Perry has taken 5 more shots and only 1 more point than Quincy. To me it's obvious who the offense should be run through.

[Dr Positivity]

Quincy's role in the NBA is going to be bench PF who hits 3s who sucks at d and rebounding from that spot. Just does not have either the speed or skill level to play the 3 in the NBA

[dagger]

I hope the conference playoffs and March Madness bring some clarity because so far, none of the top 10 draft prospects, with the exception of maybe Gilchrist, are really make a stellar case for why they should be a high pick. There is certainly no superstar in this draft #OverHyped.

Anthony Davis is averaging 6.2 combined blocks and steals per game. Not sure why that isn't a strong case.

Because his offensive game is very unformed, and you don't know if he will be able to develop the tools of a superstar.

[Ackshun]

I don't know fellas, I think it's still to early for any of us to make a fair judgement but it just seems to me like we have a Fresh Prince situation and the entire Baylor offense is centered around the phrase "Pass it to Perry!"

And he doesnt want to be aggressive with that opportunity. I hope someone takes him in top 5 but certainly hope not from us. Hes doesnt have that competitive desire in him. Imagine PJ3 with MKGs mentality, that would be scary.

Definitely, but he's just another dime a dozen guy without that passion. Perry has taken 5 more shots and only 1 more point than Quincy. To me it's obvious who the offense should be run through.

It's ONE game. I'm sorry but Perry Jones does indeed have that "it" factor more times than not..

It's just a shame he didn't bring it with him today.

[5DOM]

PJ3 and QMiller just dont have the `it` factor. Big time players should take over or at least bring the game back...right now I dont see anything from those two.

I don't think anyone in this draft has it tbh. Jeremy Lamb is probably the only one I can see taking over a game while MKG has a different kind of "it" factor.

[Jazzfan12]

I hope the conference playoffs and March Madness bring some clarity because so far, none of the top 10 draft prospects, with the exception of maybe Gilchrist, are really make a stellar case for why they should be a high pick. There is certainly no superstar in this draft #OverHyped.

Anthony Davis is averaging 6.2 combined blocks and steals per game. Not sure why that isn't a strong case.

Because his offensive game is very unformed, and you don't know if he will be able to develop the tools of a superstar.

Someone can be a star even if their offensive game is limited to pick-and-roll, dump-offs, offensive rebounds, and just occasional quick postups and isolations. I think Davis will be able to easily average a very efficient 16 to 18 points a game even if he doesn't improve his skill level much and that combined with DPotY level defense and tons of rebounds is a star player. When Dwight lead his team to the Finals, he was mostly scoring on pick-and-roll and offensive rebounds.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Quincy's role in the NBA is going to be bench PF who hits 3s who sucks at d and rebounding from that spot. Just does not have either the speed or skill level to play the 3 in the NBA

Haha for some reason I HIGHLY doubt that. It's your opinion though, just not mine.