Knicks-Nuggets Post Game (Free Candy Strikes)

[Thugger HBC]

Just found this in the Daily News comments section:

http://www.facebook.com/firemikedantoni

I just hit the like button.

Thanks guy.

Hmm, I thought i was in that same community, but apparently I'm in a different one that has a slightly stronger following. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fire-Mike ... 8960069489

I just "liked" that one too.

I wonder how many are out there?

[NyKnicks1714]

Are not our problems both the players and the coach? Am I missing something here? A mob may want to burn down one thing to appease their lust for blood, but a fan could presumably make the statement they want to replace the coach while also believing there are issues with the personnel too. It is not a unilateral position as I see it.

Both coaching and the players are the problem. You have to give more blame to the players here though. D'antoni isn't doing a good job at all, but considering that he has literally no point guards to work with right now, no willing playmakers to work with, and pretty much no shooting, I don't know how anyone can expect this offense to even be close to average.

When your 2 best players are either unwilling or poor passers, and there's nobody else to set up the offense, and no shooters, you can't really get that creative. You have to wait until our point guard arrives before you can adequately judge the coach.


The players though, they're getting paid max money. Melo is a supposed top 10 player, a guy who has always scored with the ball in his hands, and he's shooting 40% through 15 games. There aren't any excuses for that. If it's his wrist, then he should be taking less jumpers, period. He's playing like crap.

You can cut Amare some slack for his poor offensive performances, as he's always been a beneficiary (Then again, a beneficiary shouldn't be getting paid that much but that's a different story).

I don't really care if D'antoni stays or goes, and generally speaking I think he's just mediocre, but there's just not much you can do with this roster, and a coaching change at this point wouldn't change much.

[DaLeeDa]

How about a 'FIRE DOLAN' campaign?

[K_ick_God]

So tell me what McD'Antoni said RE: Walker? I'm not following. Sounds terrible though.

How did Fields do? Numbers were good.

I don't think Gallo is as good as Turk was at this young age TKF. But bad night to make the point.

Only McD our fast food coach would let Free Candy bury us.

[duetta]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/sport ... rtime.html

[Clyde_Style]

Are not our problems both the players and the coach? Am I missing something here? A mob may want to burn down one thing to appease their lust for blood, but a fan could presumably make the statement they want to replace the coach while also believing there are issues with the personnel too. It is not a unilateral position as I see it.

Both coaching and the players are the problem. You have to give more blame to the players here though. D'antoni isn't doing a good job at all, but considering that he has literally no point guards to work with right now, no willing playmakers to work with, and pretty much no shooting, I don't know how anyone can expect this offense to even be close to average.

When your 2 best players are either unwilling or poor passers, and there's nobody else to set up the offense, and no shooters, you can't really get that creative. You have to wait until our point guard arrives before you can adequately judge the coach.


The players though, they're getting paid max money. Melo is a supposed top 10 player, a guy who has always scored with the ball in his hands, and he's shooting 40% through 15 games. There aren't any excuses for that. If it's his wrist, then he should be taking less jumpers, period. He's playing like crap.

You can cut Amare some slack for his poor offensive performances, as he's always been a beneficiary (Then again, a beneficiary shouldn't be getting paid that much but that's a different story).

I don't really care if D'antoni stays or goes, and generally speaking I think he's just mediocre, but there's just not much you can do with this roster, and a coaching change at this point wouldn't change much.

If we're just as bad with an interim coach, that's almost a validation of the failed experiment and would be worth knowing. Then the front office will have even more incentive to make serious changes rather than deluding themselves a different coach can fix a badly constructed team. I don't see how you can lose replacing D'Antoni now.

[GONYK]

Are not our problems both the players and the coach? Am I missing something here? A mob may want to burn down one thing to appease their lust for blood, but a fan could presumably make the statement they want to replace the coach while also believing there are issues with the personnel too. It is not a unilateral position as I see it.

Both coaching and the players are the problem. You have to give more blame to the players here though. D'antoni isn't doing a good job at all, but considering that he has literally no point guards to work with right now, no willing playmakers to work with, and pretty much no shooting, I don't know how anyone can expect this offense to even be close to average.

When your 2 best players are either unwilling or poor passers, and there's nobody else to set up the offense, and no shooters, you can't really get that creative. You have to wait until our point guard arrives before you can adequately judge the coach.


The players though, they're getting paid max money. Melo is a supposed top 10 player, a guy who has always scored with the ball in his hands, and he's shooting 40% through 15 games. There aren't any excuses for that. If it's his wrist, then he should be taking less jumpers, period. He's playing like crap.

You can cut Amare some slack for his poor offensive performances, as he's always been a beneficiary (Then again, a beneficiary shouldn't be getting paid that much but that's a different story).

I don't really care if D'antoni stays or goes, and generally speaking I think he's just mediocre, but there's just not much you can do with this roster, and a coaching change at this point wouldn't change much.

If we're just as bad with an interim coach, that's almost a validation of the failed experiment and would be worth knowing. Then the front office will have even more incentive to make serious changes rather than deluding themselves a different coach can fix a badly constructed team. I don't see how you can lose replacing D'Antoni now.

What do you define as "serious changes"? Neither Amare or Melo are getting traded.

[TKF]

i was about to say that dammit. guess what though, i don't hate gallo. i'd take him back now. i hate the obsession with him here though. people are acting like this validates him tonight. i guess they're gonna make him an all-star now. oh wait, they're not. he's a good player but not a great one and never will be. that's all.

sham, for me, it is not so much about gallo the player, although I like him a lot.. it was what he represented... a young player, drafted by the knicks, in the new walsh era. A guy who was talented, young, smart on the court, savy and wanted to be here and had the stones to play here... Everything that he represented, I liked... I thought it was a new era for this team, and is the reason why I clung to gallo. while he was getting booed at the draft, I was like ,lets give the kid a chance at least to win us over....

so everytime I see him and denver play, and succeed while we look like dog crap, it really gets to me man...

[Shemy]

So tell me what McD'Antoni said RE: Walker? I'm not following. Sounds terrible though.

How did Fields do? Numbers were good.

I don't think Gallo is as good as Turk was at this young age TKF. But bad night to make the point.

Only McD our fast food coach would let Free Candy bury us.

the same Turkey-glue who was used in a bench role for the first 5 seasons in his career

*insert c'mon son gif here*

[GONYK]

So tell me what McD'Antoni said RE: Walker? I'm not following. Sounds terrible though.

How did Fields do? Numbers were good.

I don't think Gallo is as good as Turk was at this young age TKF. But bad night to make the point.

Only McD our fast food coach would let Free Candy bury us.

the same Turkey-glue who was used in a bench role for the first 5 seasons in his career

*insert c'mon son gif here*

Yea, that is absolutely laughable

[Brooklyn53]

i was about to say that dammit. guess what though, i don't hate gallo. i'd take him back now. i hate the obsession with him here though. people are acting like this validates him tonight. i guess they're gonna make him an all-star now. oh wait, they're not. he's a good player but not a great one and never will be. that's all.

sham, for me, it is not so much about gallo the player, although I like him a lot.. it was what he represented... a young player, drafted by the knicks, in the new walsh era. A guy who was talented, young, smart on the court, savy and wanted to be here and had the stones to play here... Everything that he represented, I liked... I thought it was a new era for this team, and is the reason why I clung to gallo. while he was getting booed at the draft, I was like ,lets give the kid a chance at least to win us over....

so everytime I see him and denver play, and succeed while we look like dog crap, it really gets to me man...

sounds like you're going into depression or some sht bro, get some sleep. i feel you, i remmeber how much fun i had watching the knicks last year before the melo trade. whether win or lose, we were behind our starters. now with the higher expectations we either love them when they win, or hate them with a passion when they lose. fans will always be fans

[TrueWarrior]

So tell me what McD'Antoni said RE: Walker? I'm not following. Sounds terrible though.

How did Fiekds do? Numbers were good.

I don't think Gallo is as good as Turk was at this young age TKF. But bad night to make the point.

Only McD our fast food coach would let Free Candy bury us.

A simple look at Hedo's stats says otherwise.

Hedo was a 7/3/1 player at age 23 like Gallo. He didnt get going until he went to Orlando at age 25, and even then he was only a 14/4/3 player for 3 years until he exploded for 20/6/5 at age 28 in 07-08. He quickly came back down to earth after that season though. Gallo is without a doubt a better all around player than Hedo was.

I know you dont like Gallo but get real.

[NyKnicks1714]

If we're just as bad with an interim coach, that's almost a validation of the failed experiment and would be worth knowing. Then the front office will have even more incentive to make serious changes rather than deluding themselves a different coach can fix a badly constructed team. I don't see how you can lose replacing D'Antoni now.

If Baron returns and can get healthy, I'd much rather have D'antoni as the coach than Woodson, or whoever else may replace him. That's why I would hesitate to get rid of him before then. Say what you will about D'antoni, but give him a solid point guard and offense won't be a problem. I don't see enough of an upside to firing him at this point in the season.

[GONYK]

If we're just as bad with an interim coach, that's almost a validation of the failed experiment and would be worth knowing. Then the front office will have even more incentive to make serious changes rather than deluding themselves a different coach can fix a badly constructed team. I don't see how you can lose replacing D'Antoni now.

If Baron returns and can get healthy, I'd much rather have D'antoni as the coach than Woodson, or whoever else may replace him. That's why I would hesitate to get rid of him before then. Say what you will about D'antoni, but give him a solid point guard and offense won't be a problem. I don't see enough of an upside to firing him at this point in the season.

[TKF]

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "Maybe I need to not take as many shots. Figure out ways to make other guys better. Maybe I should pass more. I'll take the blame."

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "These past 4/5 games, my shots are going in and out. Maybe I'm not getting the lift."

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "Its obvious I'm beat up, but it's not an excuse. I'm out there, doing my best. I'm kind of hard-headed at times. Maybe it's time...

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
for me to reevaluate as far as that goes."

nice to see him recognize this

These are great quotes as far as I'm concerned.

TKF try to tell me Melo is like Marbury/AI but you'd never hear those dudes talk like this...

Marbury, especially, he was ALWAYS defensive

melo is open to adjustment and thats the first step in him taking the next step

I go by actions.. maybe not in words melo is like them but so far, his actions are very similar...on the court that is..

[br7knicks]

for a while, i saw signs of good offensive movement. i saw melo pass a few times at good opportunities. but when you shoot 10/30 from the floor, you need to stop. as i've said in previous threads, melo should not see the court until 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter. prior to that, he's as good as al harrington, and that's being generous.

[K_ick_God]

So tell me what McD'Antoni said RE: Walker? I'm not following. Sounds terrible though.

How did Fields do? Numbers were good.

I don't think Gallo is as good as Turk was at this young age TKF. But bad night to make the point.

Only McD our fast food coach would let Free Candy bury us.

the same Turkey-glue who was used in a bench role for the first 5 seasons in his career

*insert c'mon son gif here*

Yea, that is absolutely laughable

Gallo would be a bench player too if he was on better teams. I remember Turk early on and he showed many flashes of high quality. I think Turk has always been the bigger talent.

You guys make like he scores 37 regularly.

[br7knicks]

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "Maybe I need to not take as many shots. Figure out ways to make other guys better. Maybe I should pass more. I'll take the blame."

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "These past 4/5 games, my shots are going in and out. Maybe I'm not getting the lift."

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
Melo: "Its obvious I'm beat up, but it's not an excuse. I'm out there, doing my best. I'm kind of hard-headed at times. Maybe it's time...

LoHudKnicks J.R. O'Grady
for me to reevaluate as far as that goes."

nice to see him recognize this

These are great quotes as far as I'm concerned.

TKF try to tell me Melo is like Marbury/AI but you'd never hear those dudes talk like this...

Marbury, especially, he was ALWAYS defensive

melo is open to adjustment and thats the first step in him taking the next step

when melo acts on this, i'll believe him. until then, he's nothing more than an al harrington like chucker

[TKF]

i was about to say that dammit. guess what though, i don't hate gallo. i'd take him back now. i hate the obsession with him here though. people are acting like this validates him tonight. i guess they're gonna make him an all-star now. oh wait, they're not. he's a good player but not a great one and never will be. that's all.

sham, for me, it is not so much about gallo the player, although I like him a lot.. it was what he represented... a young player, drafted by the knicks, in the new walsh era. A guy who was talented, young, smart on the court, savy and wanted to be here and had the stones to play here... Everything that he represented, I liked... I thought it was a new era for this team, and is the reason why I clung to gallo. while he was getting booed at the draft, I was like ,lets give the kid a chance at least to win us over....

so everytime I see him and denver play, and succeed while we look like dog crap, it really gets to me man...

sounds like you're going into depression or some sht bro, get some sleep. i feel you, i remmeber how much fun i had watching the knicks last year before the melo trade. whether win or lose, we were behind our starters. now with the higher expectations we either love them when they win, or hate them with a passion when they lose. fans will always be fans

I have watched the knicks run on a treadmill for 30+ years bro.. I am tired.. real talk.... at the point of just stepping away from rooting for this team.... dead serious.. this franchise run by dolan is like rooting for king kong to deafeat the planes and climb down the empire state building with the hot chic.... we all know what is going to happen.. no matter how many times we watch the movie wishing for a different outcome.. it just won't happen...

[Knicker23]

Sham having a "bias" for a guy on our team is in no way similar to TkF continuing to talk about a EX PLAYER

Gallo is an ex player.. No longer a Knick.. A Nugget... How long must we constantly have to hear about a player that used to be on the team? 2 yrs? 3 yrs? Till hes traded from Nuggets? Till you find a new fav player

It's redic annoying to have to put up w... If you're a gallo fan, go be one in the nuggets forum..

Its funny to hear you say that, because you were worse than Sham was regarding Melo last year... while he was a Nugget. Hypocritical ya think? After every loss Pre Melo guys like you would chime into threads begging for Melo. Saying we needed a star. Gallo, Chandler & co. werent going to cut it. All that bootyful stuff. He wasnt a Knick yet thats all everybody talked about.

People are going to talk about Denver. People are going to talk about Gallo. You dont have to like it but its not going to stop until Melo shows he was worth it. That simple. Im over the trade actually. I never liked it but Im over it. That doesnt mean I will never mention it or Gallo again however. The Melo trade has a huge effect on everything. From our current state to our future. Its not going away. Accept it.

There's a difference between talking about a guy we're in the running for getting / about to get, and talking about a guy that used to be on our team that no longer is, and never will be again..

It's holding on to the past..... This was a game where it's expected obviously..Gallo played well... But people need to move on... No matter how bad the team gets, no matter how good the other team is, no matter how wrong or right you like to think you are - it isn't going to change anything... How long do we have to put up with bitching about a deal, 'what it represented' this and that and the other thing... We did a trade, and now we have a new team...