Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

[Rapsfan07]

In years past, I would not consider taking Drummond because I didn't trust our organization, coaching staff or leadership to break him but I think Casey might be a giant whisperer. We should factor that in.

Agreed. Casey has overall impressed me as a coach. Our defense is noticeably better this year. If he can work with Andrea, there's no telling what he could do with Drummond.

[fredericklove]

the wings in this draft sound alright but I keep thinking Drummond is the one to turn us around. The top teams in the east have been building their perimeters for years but it's come at the expense of their frontcourts. Like I don't even know off-hand who miami's center is

and chicago has noah but you could fall asleep while he's playing offence and still guard him, and Boozer is at 15ppg on 530 TS%. They're almost asking for it

and philly has igoudala/turner/holiday/young, but their best guy up front is... spencer hawes? They're asking for it too

and indy has hibbert and that crazy person up front. As far as I know hibbert doesn't score much and crazy person is annoying but you can outplay him

I got bored of this so, just saying I think we stand to make bigger net gains by taking drummond. If his upside is as accurate as his scouting reports read, a drummond/bargs/jonas frontcourt of destruction sounds a lot better going forward than...bargs/jonas and harrison barnes or whoever

I dont' think barnes or whoever gives us an overall advantage on the perimeter over elite eastern teams. Or even good eastern teams. I think it's near impossible with all the freaks running around the east.

Couldn't have said it better myself. If Drummond declares, we get #2, he's still on the board and we don't take him, I hope BC gets fired. He's definitely a chance worth taking. If we want SF's, I'd rather use our current assets to acquire one than to pass on Drummond. Big like these are just too rare to do that.

In any draft if there's a talent and potential of a Drummond, I'll take him over anyone. But i've never seen a guy with this much talent would play the way he plays, its an epic disappointment, too much risk, its not just a concern of someone that's raw but its a concern of him not playing like he should have. The guy is supposed to come in day 1 and destroy the college...truthfully this guy is a bonafide risk, u take him, u worry from day 1.

A drummond/bargs/jonas frontcourt is clearly going to be a mass destruction of talent, u willing to put one of them to the bench and leave him rot in there? That's not balancing out the lineup, that's wasting a talent type of lineup. You have two bigs in jonas and bargs that are formed to be a strong duo, either get one of the bigs from the draft to replace one of them, otherwise, having a barnes, or lamb would balance out the whole core. You might get some SFs out there, but really where? It's not like we can trade for some good ones, or good ones come join us. This is why we GET them from the draft. To me, 1st two picks are the ADs, but even a 2nd pick in this draft would bother me cos we will inevitably take Drummond and for sure me and Nahom will throw knives at the TV for watching this guy in his raptors uniform playing with absolutely no motor and no passion night in night out, and getting booooed by the fans.

[Rapsfan07]

You have a good point and I understand perfectly where you're coming from.

I'm not gonna lie man, Drummond worries me too. I remember when I heard he was going to UConn, I told my bro that this guy is going to be a 20/10 in college. No doubt in my mind about it. Yet he comes, and underwhelms me..greatly. BUT i do feel that he's the right guy because if he puts it all together, he is the next best big man since Greg Oden. It could actually be better than D12 if he wants to. But does he want to...? That's the question nobody has the answer to except him. This is why I'm strongly suggesting we make a serious play for another pick. This draft is deep and you can pick up and All-Star in the 20's if you play your cards right and have just a little bit of luck.

On to the SF issue.. Statistically, the players who are excelling are MKG and Barnes. I happen to be a fan of Quincy Miller. Yes I know, he hasn't blown me away either but I think he could be a major steal for a team picking late if he can fine tweak somethings about his game and play better D (Casey can fix that). Nbadraft, net has him the 2013 class so I'm not sure if he declares or not but if he does, I would like to take him. I said this in a different thread but if NO is looking to offload Okafor, I'd do Barbosa + Ed Davis for Okafor + Minny pick. That would give us a second look at another high-end prospect. For me though, Miller has it all in terms of handling, assertiveness, scoring and he's even a pretty good passer. He's not perfect but I like him as a player.

Just my two cents anyways..lol

[Steely Reserve]

It's really hilarious how your fanbase, among others, really give no consideration to PJ3 due to his supposed 'flaws', only to then talk/prop other prospects who are equally, if not more, flawed themselves.

If you're a Raptors fan, your top top 5 Big Board should be:

1. MKG

Ahhhh....

That's it.

This is guy you all need.

[fredericklove]

It's really hilarious how your fanbase, among others, really give no consideration to PJ3 due to his supposed 'flaws', only to then talk/prop other prospects who are equally, if not more, flawed themselves.

If you're a Raptors fan, your top top 5 Big Board should be:

1. MKG

Ahhhh....

That's it.

This is guy you all need.

It's rather hilarious that you've become the joke of all fanbase don't worry, we all laugh with you because we're tired of laughing at you about your PJ3 obsession.

[fredericklove]

You have a good point and I understand perfectly where you're coming from.

I'm not gonna lie man, Drummond worries me too. I remember when I heard he was going to UConn, I told my bro that this guy is going to be a 20/10 in college. No doubt in my mind about it. Yet he comes, and underwhelms me..greatly. BUT i do feel that he's the right guy because if he puts it all together, he is the next best big man since Greg Oden. It could actually be better than D12 if he wants to. But does he want to...? That's the question nobody has the answer to except him. This is why I'm strongly suggesting we make a serious play for another pick. This draft is deep and you can pick up and All-Star in the 20's if you play your cards right and have just a little bit of luck.

Drummond to me if he pans out and fulfill his unlimited potential. I can see him being better than his comparison counterpart (Amare). The kid's skills and talent scream literally Amare 2.0. He can play defense, and his athleticism is on par with Amare. But that is if he wants to or not like you said, sometimes it just bothers me that a guy with his talent would have such a low level of confidence. Like, he doesn't treat himself the best player on the floor and not using this mentality to dominate the floor. Like, cmon dude, you have the gift. You don't suck. There's no way your skills, your built and your length that make you suck! Damn it, but why do you suck now then? Why? Geez.

[Steely Reserve]

It's really hilarious how your fanbase, among others, really give no consideration to PJ3 due to his supposed 'flaws', only to then talk/prop other prospects who are equally, if not more, flawed themselves.

If you're a Raptors fan, your top top 5 Big Board should be:

1. MKG

Ahhhh....

That's it.

This is guy you all need.

It's rather hilarious that you've become the joke of all fanbase don't worry, we all laugh with you because we're tired of laughing at you about your PJ3 obsession.

You mean the same way you laughed at me last year about Jonas Valancuinas, that is, until Toronto drafted him?

If would only fitting if you all draft Perry this year. I would chuckle everyday at this board.

[fredericklove]

You mean the same way you laughed at me last year about Jonas Valancuinas, that is, until Toronto drafted him?

If would only fitting if you all draft Perry this year. I would chuckle everyday at this board.

I laughed at you about Val? I never even know much about Val at that time to make any arguments with anyone. I only argued to death with everyone about the Kanter vs. Bismack debate. But I remember very clearly that I laughed at you about Kyrie Irving because you said he sucks.

[sunny]

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[Marvin!]

It's really hilarious how your fanbase, among others, really give no consideration to PJ3 due to his supposed 'flaws', only to then talk/prop other prospects who are equally, if not more, flawed themselves.

piss off

[Reignman]

Honestly, I told Steely last season he needs to stay out of this thread if he's going to come in here and act like an idiot.

PJ3 isn't a revelation to anybody, he's firmly in the top 10 of every draft site. This guy acts like he's the only one that's heard of him.

[sunny]

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[Marlo Stanfield]

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not sure how to get it to work:
here is the link
http://www.pointguardu.com/content/top- ... -pgu-1286/

The league would never gift us with such a blessing

[Dr Positivity]

the wings in this draft sound alright but I keep thinking Drummond is the one to turn us around. The top teams in the east have been building their perimeters for years but it's come at the expense of their frontcourts. Like I don't even know off-hand who miami's center is

and chicago has noah but you could fall asleep while he's playing offence and still guard him, and Boozer is at 15ppg on 530 TS%. They're almost asking for it

and philly has igoudala/turner/holiday/young, but their best guy up front is... spencer hawes? They're asking for it too

and indy has hibbert and that crazy person up front. As far as I know hibbert doesn't score much and crazy person is annoying but you can outplay him

I got bored of this so, just saying I think we stand to make bigger net gains by taking drummond. If his upside is as accurate as his scouting reports read, a drummond/bargs/jonas frontcourt of destruction sounds a lot better going forward than...bargs/jonas and harrison barnes or whoever

I dont' think barnes or whoever gives us an overall advantage on the perimeter over elite eastern teams. Or even good eastern teams. I think it's near impossible with all the freaks running around the east.

I'd be good with rolling the dice on Drummond at #2, but I have a feeling he's going to be in the Amare, Bosh, Griffin zone of elite 20ppg+ scoring, but kind of a soft bitch when it comes to controlling the paint area on both ends. So if Bargnani is in our long term plans I'd be a little worried about jumping right back into the Bosh/Bargnani zone of building around two finesse offense/soft defense guys. A Bargnani Amare combo obviously wouldn't work. But we need talent so much that we just have to take the best player, no questions asked. So if we think Drummond is an Amare/Griffin type, you take him and figure it out later

[Kevin Willis]

Can some do a draft Tomas Satoronsky picture? If we can't get Kabongo or Marshall, let's go this way.

[Dr Positivity]

A guy to keep an eye on who could end up in the top 7-10 range is Arnott Moultrie. Legit 6'10-6'11, has a skilled face-up game and is a 10 reb+ guy. I think his upside is a Boozer/West 19/10 2nd option PF. He's not a great fit whatsoever for our lineup but it's possible he gets enough talk that a team ahead of us picks him. (and frankly we should be thinking BPA and not ruling out any possibilites anyways)

[dagger]

A guy to keep an eye on who could end up in the top 7-10 range is Arnott Moultrie. Legit 6'10-6'11, has a skilled face-up game and is a 10 reb+ guy. Not a fit whatsoever for our lineup but it's possible he gets enough talk that a team ahead of us picks him. (and frankly we should be thinking BPA and not ruling out any possibilites anyways)

Please tell me the top 10 here isn't going to be eight bigs, Barnes and Gilchrist. Like aren't there guys with skills out there any more?

[nahom1319]

Jeremy Lamb, Bradley Beal Quincy Miller and Terrence Ross all say hello

[Twoism]

Can some do a draft Tomas Satoronsky picture? If we can't get Kabongo or Marshall, let's go this way.

I'm pretty sure he's already a BC's 2nd rounder boys, if he slides until 2nd.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Can some do a draft Tomas Satoronsky picture? If we can't get Kabongo or Marshall, let's go this way.

I'm pretty sure he's already a BC's 2nd rounder boys, if he slides until 2nd.

Knowing BC he'll either trade the pick or chose the slowest player available. Nicholson?