Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

[nahom1319]

can someone tell me how Drummond played? looks like he had a good game...

The most pointless 18 and 7 of his career, j/k but pointless. He scored alot on garbage points, and had 4 wide open dunks. Nothing special, he's not boxing out, being a participant in the paint watching other team getting all the rebound. He didn't have a major defensive impact on the game either, and he's not setting hard picks or hard screens. He could have done so much more to help the team but he's the same old drummond.

This but I felt his post defense was good. His effort level overall was pretty good for a section in the second half. Still a major prospect.


edit: Project not prospect

[StringerBell]

You guys kill me. If he's so soft how come he leads the team in rebounds AND offensive rebounds??

[fredericklove]

It means much if it is about the style of play, whereas those inflated stat from college don't mean much because you won't average the same in the NBA. But the style of play is most important. There will be so many jackson type players in the NBA that will want the ball in their hands (the more talented one), and if PJ3 is on a team with one or two of those, then that's going to be a problem for PJ3. He can do all of those versatile play all he wants but the problem with him is always about his "mentality".

Inflated college stats? College game involves more ball movement, the players average 30mins a game with less possessions than the nba so I don't their stats are inflated. As far as his mentality goes, I think it's more a probuct of Baylors offensive sets than it is him. Yeah he drifts in and out of games but he seems to have a good work ethic(improved game), so a hard nosed nbq head coach can fix that.

Ball movement of course, but there are many high-end prospects that score tons because they get the ball in their hand everytime (thus inflated) and most importantly, 60-70% of the season they faced inferior teams, like really sh*tty teams thus they can score like crazy on these weaklings...thus these helped inflate their score..thats why march madness is the time where scouts focus on most cos its real competition. Don't blame it entirely on the Baylor offensive sets, many times PJ3 gets the ball in his hand in 2nd half, he automatically gives the ball back to his teammates, a game-changing player demands the ball, but PJ3 doesn't have that mentality, which is what frustrate most pro scouts (articles always mention that). Hard nose head coach will get him to play better defense but its all entirely up to his own mentality (to take over a game).

[StringerBell]

This is so typical from PJ3 and what I say right? He's nonexistent again in the 2nd half. Not scoring, not REBOUNDING (2 reb?), absolutely done nothing in 2nd half.

He was barely noticeable in the first half The guy just floats in and out of consciousness throughout the game and I don't think that's someone you draft in the top 5.

Damn, you too throwback?

[StringerBell]

Ball movement of course, but there are many high-end prospects that score tons because they get the ball in their hand everytime (thus inflated) and most importantly, 60-70% of the season they faced inferior teams, like really sh*tty teams thus they can score like crazy on these weaklings...thus these helped inflate their score..thats why march madness is the time where scouts focus on most cos its real competition. Don't blame it entirely on the Baylor offensive sets, many times PJ3 gets the ball in his hand in 2nd half, he automatically gives the ball back to his teammates, a game-changing player demands the ball, but PJ3 doesn't have that mentality, which is what frustrate most pro scouts (articles always mention that). Hard nose head coach will get him to play better defense but its all entirely up to his own mentality (to take over a game).

We'll see come March.

[fredericklove]

You guys kill me. If he's so soft how come he leads the team in rebounds AND offensive rebounds??

Which part of his game not smell soft? Rebound alone, can tell you how soft he is. idk why, but you kill me more, are you even watching the game right now? He's not even fighting for rebound right now, is he even boxing out? hey 5 reb this game, 5 only? Even if he leads the team in the reb this season, that's because he will have games where its double digit reb against very short defenders, but in games where there's tough rebounder on the opposing team, he stands absolutely no chance, thus at times he results in getting only 4 or 5 or 6 reb. He also leads the team in the reb department because he's playing the PF, most 4 or 5 avg most reb on their team but it doesn't mean they are really outrebounding players from opposing team.

[Marlo Stanfield]

It's really not questionable whether Perry Jones is soft or not. He's so soft he can be used as toilet paper for baby marshmallows. noidontknowwhatababymarshmallowisjuststfuandplayalong

[Throwback24]

For all of you who are high on Drummond, have you entertained the thought of trading for Anthony Randolph over wasting a draft pick on Drummond? They're essentially the same player from what I can see, and Randolphs proven to be a productive player in his limited starts at the NBA level.

[fredericklove]

If PJ3 has Piere jackson's personality...if only...

[fredericklove]

Good game, Jackson closes the game out for his team again, he has to bail it out for the soft PJ3 again and again. How typical. Btw, can someone recap me PJ3's 2nd half performance? I didn't get to see him play on the floor, did anyone see him do anything on the floor?

[Marlo Stanfield]

Good game, Jackson closes the game out for his team again, he has to bail it out for the soft PJ3 again and again. How typical. Btw, can someone recap me PJ3's 2nd half performance? I didn't get to see him play on the floor, did anyone see him do anything on the floor?

OH GET THE HE-- OUT! PJ3 actually played in the 2nd half?!?

[Ell Curry]

Does anyone know why Lamb is sitting around 10-12th on ESPN and DraftExpress? He's improved in every category except he has more turnovers this year. Over 50 percent shooter even though he takes six 3's a game. His wingspan is fantastic for an NBA 2 guard. He's not a very good rebounder, but that's the only wart I see.

He's not dominating the ball offensively, but he's got Napier, Drummond and Boatright shooting pretty well too, and it's UConn, so they have a bunch of guys who can play. Hs

I'd like to see him play a bit more, but even in the tourney last year you could see he's intelligent, athletic, long and can shoot.

[DreamTeam09]

We wont be high enough to draft barnes so really its gonna come down to PJ3 and MKG i'm thinking... Workouts and what the coach has to say and some march madness play will let me know who we should take... Right now i'm going with PJ3 with the higher ceiling.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

We wont be high enough to draft barnes so really its gonna come down to PJ3 and MKG i'm thinking... Workouts and what the coach has to say and some march madness play will let me know who we should take... Right now i'm going with PJ3 with the higher ceiling.

We could be. It's a lottery after all. Even if we finish with the 5th or 6th worst record, we might get pushed up (or down) after the lottery.

[DreamTeam09]

^^ Hopefully my dude...

[nahom1319]

Does anyone know why Lamb is sitting around 10-12th on ESPN and DraftExpress? He's improved in every category except he has more turnovers this year. Over 50 percent shooter even though he takes six 3's a game. His wingspan is fantastic for an NBA 2 guard. He's not a very good rebounder, but that's the only wart I see.

He's not dominating the ball offensively, but he's got Napier, Drummond and Boatright shooting pretty well too, and it's UConn, so they have a bunch of guys who can play. Hs

I'd like to see him play a bit more, but even in the tourney last year you could see he's intelligent, athletic, long and can shoot.

Conversation of the day bro... were stumped too. Other then his **** team and coach I don't see how he's not a top 5 pick.

[Double Helix]

I'm usually pretty good at predicting guys who are going to climb up draft boards as March Madness, workouts, etc take place and the most likely candidate right now that I'm going to call is Austin Rivers.

His game is just more suited to NBA ball than the NCAA, especially if he measures out at 6'5 in shoes and is seen as more of a SG prospect. He literally has all the tools, except height, that you'd look for in a young SG prospect. He can get to the net at will. His first step is above average. He's quick going either way. He has an assortment of hesitations he uses to create space. He can finish with either hand. He can make quick decisions on the move. He has excellent form and release on his jumper and seems to have NBA range. I know his numbers so far has underwhelmed everybody but people will try to see sort of a Eric Gordon/Steph Curry/Monta type of player in him and if he's 6'5 I'd be interested in rolling with a guy with those kind of skills at SG. it's all going to come down to his height unfortunately. 6'5 with 6'7 or above wingspan will give GMs assurance that he won't need to be converted. Anything less than those measurements though and he probably slides since he's not putting up enough assist numbers or points to compensate. Fundamentally though... it's almost all there. He's fun to watch and assuming he can defend a position reasonably well I think his game is better suited to the pro style.

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[gojoorange]

I think both Lamb and Beal would be the best fit. I think Beal has more to offer for our lineup as well.

Lamb would be great to defend the 1/2 spot, and able to spread the floor for Jonas and Bargnani.

While I feel Beal can play the point with his passing skill, so maybe he can play along with DeRozan (or Lamb if we some how trade for him).

While I feel that Beal's handle is a bit underrated for a shooting guard, he definitely does not have the handle to play point. The more I watch Beal play the more I think his game would be a perfect compliment to our current roster.

[fredericklove]

I'm usually pretty good at predicting guys who are going to climb up draft boards as March Madness, workouts, etc take place and the most likely candidate right now that I'm going to call is Austin Rivers.

His game is just more suited to NBA ball than the NCAA, especially if he measures out at 6'5 in shoes and is seen as more of a SG prospect. He literally has all the tools, except height, that you'd look for in a young SG prospect. He can get to the net at will. His first step is above average. He's quick going either way. He has an assortment of hesitations he uses to create space. He can finish with either hand. He can make quick decisions on the move. He has excellent form and release on his jumper and seems to have NBA range. I know his numbers so far has underwhelmed everybody but people will try to see sort of a Eric Gordon/Steph Curry/Monta type of player in him and if he's 6'5 I'd be interested in rolling with a guy with those kind of skills at SG. it's all going to come down to his height unfortunately. 6'5 with 6'7 or above wingspan will give GMs assurance that he won't need to be converted. Anything less than those measurements though and he probably slides since he's not putting up enough assist numbers or points to compensate. Fundamentally though... it's almost all there. He's fun to watch and assuming he can defend a position reasonably well I think his game is better suited to the pro style.

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I too don't mind if we get him at the 2 spot. Our team really lack a 2nd go-to-scorer. I agree on his game it'll translate well to the NBA. He also uses p&r well I think it'll fit well with Val and really excel on the half court offense. The only two knocks I have on him are that he doesn't pass well (too selfish at times) and he doesn't defend well.

When he's on, he's flat out on but when he struggles he struggles and goes on epic chucking mode. However, if we drop to 7 to 10, I definitely won't mind seeing him land on our team. He can flat out score, and maybe I'm tired of watching Debrick play.

A perfect 2 is someone who can score, handle the ball well, play D, and get teammates involved. For River, he has scoring and handle, he's not perfect but its better than nothing I guess, cos he's really really good at scoring and has insane handle. As for Demar...he...um, yeah, what does he have?

[Steely Reserve]

On Tuesday:

Barnes scores 13 points on 4-12 shooting in a game where he was worst Tar Heel starter on the court

Reaction:

Half the Raps fans act like it didn't happen


On Wednesday:

Perry goes 7-13 for 15 points against a defense schemed to take him out the offense

Reaction:

Raps fans pound their chest in validation that Perry is soft and not worthy of a top 5 pick