Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[tontoz]

Any trade that brings childress here is bad regardless of what else is involved. If there was a trade that would bring Dwight Howard here i would pass if Childress came along.

[TGW]

Wow that's the worst trade I've seen here in awhile mhd.

[Dat2U]

I agree with Millertime...Ryan Anderson at 10 mil/per is just not a good idea. He's a solid player, but he plays on a team that light years ahead of us, and he plays a specific role that he would not play for us. In Orlando, he's asked to knock down open shots...that's strictly his responsibility. If he does a little more, it's just a cherry on top. On the Wizards, we'd be asking him to score on ISO situations, rebound, defend, and basically do everything a well-rounded bigman would do. You ask a guy like that to play out of his comfort zone, and he's going to struggle.

Unless he comes at a heavily discounted price, I'd pass.

I wouldn't ask Anderson to play out of his comfort zone. I wouldn't want him to iso score. A guy who can actually make open shots would be a huge asset for the Wizards. At least it'd be someone the opposition would have to defend. I'm not saying that's worth $10 million per year -- I don't know where that number came from.

It's sorta like the Skins offense this season. They were doing next to nothing offensively until they dumped the slow-developing stretch hand-offs for those quick-hitting stretch tosses. It finally put something on film that opposing defenses had to worry about and the offense started clicking a bit. It wasn't a massive turnaround because they were still limited by the quarterback, line and receivers, but it was something.

I'd love to have Anderson with the Wizards -- at the right price. I've wanted him in Washington since that first season in Orlando. He's young and productive, and he does things no one else on the roster can do.

Agreed. Quietly, Anderson has been a complete stud, not only this year, but in limited minutes going all the way back to his NJ days. As someone who always hated the Jamison acquistion, I feel much stronger about Anderson's ability to not be a total sieve defensively. From my view, he's always played pretty big underneath the basket unlike Jamison who did anything to shield his body from any unneccesary physical contact.

Anderson was always an excellent rebounder in college and in limited minutes in NJ. There's no doubt his rebounding totals have taken a hit next to Howard.

Is he worth $10 mil? At his current production? Probably, yes. Ideally I'd like to swoop in for $8 mil per but I'd be willing to push in upwards of $10 mil.

Considering Wall's skillset, Anderson is probably the ideal PF for Wall outside of Kevin Love. Were so desperate for shooting and spacing, even if we have to pay a premium for Anderson, it's probably worth it. He's young, he's productive and he's a good fit. I think he currently rates as an above average starter at PF and that's worth some solid green in free agency.

[Illuminaire]

Yeah. I look at Anderson as the player Rashard Lewis wishes he could be... a rebounding, floor-spacing big man who is at least neutral defensively.

If we're rolling with Davis, Drummond, or MKG, that's the free agent I want. (I think Davis can play center just fine - and against offensively inept centers, Anderson can move up to the five as well)

Outside the #1 pick, I'd rather get a surefire SF or SG in the draft and sign Anderson than to take our chances with Sully and try to sign a free agent wing. CCJ will probably say Robinson is worth taking instead, and he may be right, though.

[MF23]

He's a bad defender. If the Wizards pay 10mil a yr for a bad defender I'll be pis-sed. Javale is a bad defender and I would pay him 8 figures per but that's because I'm pretty certain he'll be a good defender in a few years. The only differences between DA and Jamison for me are that he's a better shooter and a less versatile scorer. I wouldn't pay DA more than 6milper because I think he's a one way player and I'm not comfortable paying those types significant amounts with the new CBA.

Some are intrigued with is offensive attributes being enhanced with a player like John Wall. His type fills a need but he doesn't give enough for me to be comfortable with him as a long term starter.

[miller31time]

I wonder if there is a chance in hell that OKC could trade Harden for McGee (and stuff).

Perkins is not the force they thought he'd be when trading Jeff Green for him. It'd be nice to round out their starting 5 with a young, up-and-coming center with hops like JaVale.

For the Wizards, I'd love Harden as our starting 2-guard.

[queridiculo]

I like Harden too, was hoping we'd make a move to draft him, but I'm not sold on him being able to play the 2nd fiddle.

He plays in a no pressure situation with two absolute beasts at their respective positions. Will his game and production translate into being a legit number 2, because I'm sure that's how he's going to look to get paid like.

[dangermouse]

i'd much rather pay Anderson than Harden...

But id rather pay Eric Gordon over both of them.

Yeah. I look at Anderson as the player Rashard Lewis wishes he could be...

More like; the player Orlando management wished Rashard Lewis was.

[Illuminaire]

What do you base that on, MF?

I've only seen a few games, so I'm running off pure numbers here... and the numbers look fine. Not great, but OK, going back to his time in NJ.

[hands11]

I wonder if there is a chance in hell that OKC could trade Harden for McGee (and stuff).

Perkins is not the force they thought he'd be when trading Jeff Green for him. It'd be nice to round out their starting 5 with a young, up-and-coming center with hops like JaVale.

For the Wizards, I'd love Harden as our starting 2-guard.

From what I have seen and heard, Harden is perfect in the role his is playing. The ultimate glue guy. Not a lead dog.

As for SG, just so sad they didnt draft Brooks. That would be one less position to worry about. He would have been the perfect Nick replacement and a core piece. Arms are just a long and two inches shorter and the kid seems to have the right personality. And he would have been here a year with Wall already.

Eric Gordon would be fine by me though but its probably going to cost a good bit. Brooks would have been a rookie contact. EG missed on that one big time. He should follow my posts more often

Two bad Nick has a Nick brain. He does post good numbers. Just something there doesn't work as a package. I was always pulling for Nick and he has made progress in the maturity category, but when you are going from zero, that is a long climb. He and McGee are not cut from the cloth I like a player cut from in that aspect. Nick, Dray and McGee are all likely to get moved before it is said and done.

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[llcc25]

I wonder if there is a chance in hell that OKC could trade Harden for McGee (and stuff).

Perkins is not the force they thought he'd be when trading Jeff Green for him. It'd be nice to round out their starting 5 with a young, up-and-coming center with hops like JaVale.

For the Wizards, I'd love Harden as our starting 2-guard.

No chance. Have you seen McGee play the past month? Please check Javale appreciation thread. If you missed last night's boneheaded play, there is clip of it there. I might of characterized him as a young, up-and-coming center before this season, but after seeing him this this season especially his past 10 or so games, its clear he is the dumbest center in league. Add to that fact, he's got no toughness as he gets manhandled by guys like Amir Johnson and Dalembert. I was done with him weeks ago, but last night's game was the nail in the coffin for me. Booker has done a much better job of manning the paint the past few games and he's only an undersized PF.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wonder if there is a chance in hell that OKC could trade Harden for McGee (and stuff).

Perkins is not the force they thought he'd be when trading Jeff Green for him. It'd be nice to round out their starting 5 with a young, up-and-coming center with hops like JaVale.

For the Wizards, I'd love Harden as our starting 2-guard.

No chance. Have you seen McGee play the past month? Please check Javale appreciation thread. If you missed last night's boneheaded play, there is clip of it there. I might of characterized him as a young, up-and-coming center before this season, but after seeing him this this season especially his past 10 or so games, its clear he is the dumbest center in league. Add to that fact, he's got no toughness as he gets manhandled by guys like Amir Johnson and Dalembert. I was done with him weeks ago, but last night's game was the nail in the coffin for me. Booker has done a much better job of manning the paint the past few games and he's only an undersized PF.

Which is wrong, BTW.

People are pissed at me because they know they're wrong about both Cousins and Wall, so what they do is go to an Appreciation Thread and trash a guy. Follow the protocol and flame McGee somewhere else.

(Moron below applies only to those who INTENTIONALLY don't follow protocol.)

I go to Javale's Appreciation Thread and still point out for the morons that he leads the team in rebound rate by a large margin. McGee leads the team in PER by a large margin. He is second to Booker in WS/48. Leads the league in block percentage and also is a good offensive rebounder. I am not rationalizing him not playing good defense or the team being better with Seraphin at C. I know he loses toughness match ups with physical Cs.

Bottom Line: IMO the same type of stupidity had people saying how much Rip Hamilton sucked years ago. (Maybe I'm stupid about Wall now). It is fine to want a guy traded. I say trade Wall in the trade thread or occasionally in a game thread, but NEVER in an appreciation thread. Leave the APPRECIATION THREAD alone. Don't be a spammer or a group think fascist.

McGee might suck and might never get better and you might be right to hate him, but I KNOW YOU ARE WRONG for ruining an appreciation thread. Every player's appreciation thread should be solely a good news thread.

[llcc25]

I wonder if there is a chance in hell that OKC could trade Harden for McGee (and stuff).

Perkins is not the force they thought he'd be when trading Jeff Green for him. It'd be nice to round out their starting 5 with a young, up-and-coming center with hops like JaVale.

For the Wizards, I'd love Harden as our starting 2-guard.

No chance. Have you seen McGee play the past month? Please check Javale appreciation thread. If you missed last night's boneheaded play, there is clip of it there. I might of characterized him as a young, up-and-coming center before this season, but after seeing him this this season especially his past 10 or so games, its clear he is the dumbest center in league. Add to that fact, he's got no toughness as he gets manhandled by guys like Amir Johnson and Dalembert. I was done with him weeks ago, but last night's game was the nail in the coffin for me. Booker has done a much better job of manning the paint the past few games and he's only an undersized PF.

Which is wrong, BTW.

People are pissed at me because they know they're wrong about both Cousins and Wall, so what they do is go to an Appreciation Thread and trash a guy. Follow the protocol and flame McGee somewhere else.

I go to Javale's Appreciation Thread and still point out for the morons that he leads the team in rebound rate by a large margin. McGee leads the team in PER by a large margin. He is second to Booker in WS/48. I am not rationalizing him not playing good defense or the team being better with Seraphin at C. I know he loses toughness match ups with physical Cs.

Bottom line: Same type of stupidity had people saying how much Rip Hamilton sucked years ago. It is fine to want a guy traded. I say trade Wall in the trade thread or occasionally in a game thread. But leave the APPRECIATION THREAD alone. Don't be a spammer or a group think fascist.

McGee might suck and might never get better and you might be right to hate him, but I KNOW YOU ARE WRONG for ruining an appreciation thread. Every player's appreciation thread should be solely a good news thread.

My bad CCJ. I wasn't aware of the protocol on hating on a player on his appreciation thread. I'll try to post my negatiity on McGee in the apprirate thread.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

In that case, NEVER MIND.

llcc25, note I had edited the post. I didn't mean to call anyone a moron and I hadn't even seen the vid there.

Put that in The Incredibly Sucky Javale McGee Thread! You can create one if there isn't already one. The guy's been in the league 4 years and he's a rich, NBA player.

[Nivek]

I don't think I agree that an "appreciation" thread should be strictly a good news place. I hadn't even considered that as "protocol" on the board. I could be talked into it, I guess. Just don't understand why we'd have a strictly "good news" thread and a strictly "rip him" thread. Why not discuss the guy wherever it seems relevant?

[Ruzious]

I wonder if there is a chance in hell that OKC could trade Harden for McGee (and stuff).

Perkins is not the force they thought he'd be when trading Jeff Green for him. It'd be nice to round out their starting 5 with a young, up-and-coming center with hops like JaVale.

For the Wizards, I'd love Harden as our starting 2-guard.

No chance. Have you seen McGee play the past month? Please check Javale appreciation thread. If you missed last night's boneheaded play, there is clip of it there. I might of characterized him as a young, up-and-coming center before this season, but after seeing him this this season especially his past 10 or so games, its clear he is the dumbest center in league. Add to that fact, he's got no toughness as he gets manhandled by guys like Amir Johnson and Dalembert. I was done with him weeks ago, but last night's game was the nail in the coffin for me. Booker has done a much better job of manning the paint the past few games and he's only an undersized PF.

Which is wrong, BTW.

People are pissed at me because they know they're wrong about both Cousins and Wall, so what they do is go to an Appreciation Thread and trash a guy. Follow the protocol and flame McGee somewhere else.

(Moron below applies only to those who INTENTIONALLY don't follow protocol.)

I go to Javale's Appreciation Thread and still point out for the morons that he leads the team in rebound rate by a large margin. McGee leads the team in PER by a large margin. He is second to Booker in WS/48. Leads the league in block percentage and also is a good offensive rebounder. I am not rationalizing him not playing good defense or the team being better with Seraphin at C. I know he loses toughness match ups with physical Cs.

Bottom Line: IMO the same type of stupidity had people saying how much Rip Hamilton sucked years ago. (Maybe I'm stupid about Wall now). It is fine to want a guy traded. I say trade Wall in the trade thread or occasionally in a game thread, but NEVER in an appreciation thread. Leave the APPRECIATION THREAD alone. Don't be a spammer or a group think fascist.

McGee might suck and might never get better and you might be right to hate him, but I KNOW YOU ARE WRONG for ruining an appreciation thread. Every player's appreciation thread should be solely a good news thread.

Why do all of your posts have to be about you and how you've predicted things and people being against you? Most people - like me - strongly agree with you on some things (like I've always been a huge Cousins fan - just like you) and disagree with you strongly on other things (like Wall). If folks disagree with you on one thing, that's not an attack on you. Otoh, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean everyone's not against you.

I completely agree with llcc, and I'm not a moron - at least I don't think I am. I'd wager that both of us have watched the majority of the Wiz games (ooh, maybe that does make us morons) and see the great talent that McGee and see it squandered game in and game out. Every game, there are multiple instances of him losing concentration and doing something stupid - to the point that nobody else in the NBA does. He ran the wrong way down the court one time last night - all by himself - it took him several strides to realize nobody else was on that side of the court before he realized something was wrong. Who leads the NBA in goal tends? Who tries for every shot block - leading to the opponents getting more putbacks than he gets blocked shots? He's a guy you don't want on the court when the going gets rough, because he gets the deer in the headlights syndrome, and his foul shooting is worse than ever. You can just look at his eyes, and see he's not focused half the time.

On the Harden idea, another reason OkC doesn't do it is because they would need another scoring option if they trade him. After Durant, Westbrook, and Harden, they have very little firepower.

[no D in Hibachi]

Clips just lost Billups to a torn achillies, ouch...

Clips in: Blatche, Young
Wiz in: Mo Williams, Brian Cook

Salaries should match up and they need a 2 guard with size who can shoot. Washington sacrifices Young, who may not be retained, to get out of the Blatche contract.

[tontoz]

I dont remember CCJ being too fussed when JJ was bashing Wall relentlessly in the Wall Appreciation thread. Seems like his indignation is pretty selective.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't think I agree that an "appreciation" thread should be strictly a good news place. I hadn't even considered that as "protocol" on the board. I could be talked into it, I guess. Just don't understand why we'd have a strictly "good news" thread and a strictly "rip him" thread. Why not discuss the guy wherever it seems relevant?

Okay, lets welcome flaming in all appreciation threads. Or, we can say, "We appreciated you yesterday, but we hate you now!", in the same thread. Tough if their family or friends DO read the appreciation thread.

As far as those threads being strictly good news, you will see I put derogatory articles about McGee but gave my POV that was supportive while others said McGee deserved criticism. That was okay. Putting up a video that is intended to put a guy down clearly doesn't belong in the appreciation thread.

[Nivek]

I don't think I agree that an "appreciation" thread should be strictly a good news place. I hadn't even considered that as "protocol" on the board. I could be talked into it, I guess. Just don't understand why we'd have a strictly "good news" thread and a strictly "rip him" thread. Why not discuss the guy wherever it seems relevant?

Okay, lets welcome flaming in all appreciation threads. Or, we can say, "We appreciated you yesterday, but we hate you now!", in the same thread. Tough if their family or friends DO read the appreciation thread.

Because yeah, that's exactly what I meant. In my decade plus of posting on message boards, I've developed a well-earned reputation for flaming folks. It's kinda shocking that I haven't been banned given my reckless disregard for rules and decorum.

Or, maybe "discuss" doesn't mean what I think it means.